Most people have turned to religion throughout human history. You all know better. Where have I failed in my comprehension?
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Your failure is due to incorrectly equating consciousness to religion. One does not require the other.
sep 3, 2025, 12:02 pm • 2 0 • view
Thanks for the tip. I think the term is “conscience?” Conscience hasn’t really been sufficient for atheists to avoid misbehavior either.
sep 3, 2025, 2:20 pm • 1 0 • view
I will put up atheist conscience against any religion, any time, any day. In fact, there are a couple of excellent essays that compare Atheist Morality to Christian Morality if you are interested in reading. I can provide the links.
sep 3, 2025, 2:46 pm • 1 0 • view
Is that a Mao Zedong quote. But yes give me one link to your best as I’d like to see what’s circulating. I’m serious, if you don’t mind.
sep 3, 2025, 3:11 pm • 0 0 • view
In fact, the whole site is full of information that could free your mind from religion.
sep 3, 2025, 3:42 pm • 1 0 • view
I didn't quote anyone. Sure: www.creationtheory.org/Morality/Bib... www.creationtheory.org/Morality/Ath...
sep 3, 2025, 3:40 pm • 0 0 • view
There is no such thing as Atheist Morality. Atheists are people who don’t accept the concept of a deity. Whether they are moral or not is part of that individual’s personality formed by a combination of nature and nurture like everyone else and has nothing to do with their lack of belief in a deity.
sep 4, 2025, 2:03 am • 0 0 • view
I know what an atheist is. Funny though that an atheist wrote an essay on Atheist Morality. Perhaps introduce yourself to the essay, to understand the reason for it. Early definitions of Atheist included 'immoral'. Historical context matters.
sep 4, 2025, 2:37 am • 0 0 • view
A definition of atheist by someone who isn’t one is suspect. Some atheists think they need to justify themselves by claiming they are just as moral as people following religious tenets. There are no commandments for atheists. Immoral religious people are as abundant if not more so than atheists.
sep 4, 2025, 3:13 am • 0 0 • view
When atheists have been historically defined as immoral, and evil without any evidence whatsoever; you're goddamn right they will defend themselves and show that they have higher standards of Morality than most religious adherents. I never claimed there were atheist commandments.
sep 4, 2025, 12:01 pm • 0 0 • view
I don’t look at my fellow atheists as having a uniform code of conduct or anything in common except not believing in a deity. We come from a range of backgrounds and experiences as the population of the planet. To define atheism as anything more than not believing in a deity has always been wrong.
sep 4, 2025, 3:20 pm • 0 0 • view
Did you bother to read the link I posted? You seem to be strawmanning pretty hard by arguing against things I've not claimed or mentioned. It is odd.
sep 4, 2025, 3:40 pm • 0 0 • view
Furthermore, in all publications/essays I have found for Atheist & Atheism; most have a section dedicated to describing morals held in common. Sure, they may vary individually, and I'm not disagreeing with that. I'm also, as already stated, NOT claiming that atheists hold to a uniform code.
sep 4, 2025, 3:37 pm • 0 0 • view
I'm not defining Atheism. I am not defining Atheist. In the phrase, 'Atheist Morality', the word Atheist here is being used as an adjective to describe a type of Morality. One that is rebutting the notion of atheist having no morality at all. I've already explained this.
sep 4, 2025, 3:32 pm • 0 0 • view
I haven’t disagreed with what you wrote. You have missed my point and I will not repeat it. But I will add that trying to eliminate the ignorance of religious people about atheists and morality is a losing game.
sep 4, 2025, 3:59 pm • 0 0 • view
sep 3, 2025, 2:49 pm • 3 0 • view
How could that be measured if it were true?
sep 5, 2025, 7:51 pm • 0 0 • view
Uh...it has been measured and it is true. You can easily find the demographics for inmates because they are tracked every year (might be bi-annual). How do you not know this?
sep 5, 2025, 8:03 pm • 5 1 • view
The inmates where? Tracked by self-reported religion in the US? That would surprise me. But even supposing it were accurate, it would not be surprising since most criminals are poor and most poor people in the US are Christian. Also, what good would it do for felons to put anything else on intake?
sep 5, 2025, 9:30 pm • 0 0 • view
I've got to ask... How old are you? You act as if you've never filled out any form (job application, loan, credit card, ID) to know that demographics are collected everywhere. That's how the data is tracked. Since the US has the highest inmate per capita... we're talking about the US.
sep 5, 2025, 9:37 pm • 4 1 • view
Also, Christians are known for making sure anyone and everyone knows that they are Christian. Multiple independent sources track inmate demographics. It is, again, an easily obtained and verified data set.
sep 5, 2025, 9:39 pm • 3 1 • view
I haven’t found that to be true.
sep 5, 2025, 10:44 pm • 0 0 • view
You are just bullshitting me. There's no way you are even attempting to engage me in honest conversation.
sep 5, 2025, 11:10 pm • 1 0 • view
Definitely never done any of that stuff—that’s for big boys like you, out crafting faith out of whole cloth. It’s a violation of freedom of association to discriminate based on religion, so that would be a legitimate reason to collect the data. But minorities would be less inclined to self-identity.
sep 5, 2025, 10:52 pm • 1 0 • view
Ignore my question and then ramble on with more off-topic, incoherent word salad. There is no discrimination in the act of data collection, dumbass. I have no desire to engage with you further. Get fucked, troll.
sep 5, 2025, 11:13 pm • 0 0 • view
No. You need to actually read some history. Specifically the parts that cover forced conversion. There is also cultural influence, most are born into it. Very few people turn to religion. You can read about when that happens as well. It doesn't bode well.
sep 3, 2025, 12:00 pm • 2 0 • view
I am one of those people
sep 3, 2025, 2:17 pm • 0 0 • view
1 \= most. You made a vacuous claim. Seriously, crack open a few actual history books and read about how religion is spread. Preferably ones written by professional historians and not apologist whitewashing history.
sep 3, 2025, 2:50 pm • 5 2 • view
Interact with people in real life and sooner or later you will find religion.
sep 3, 2025, 3:08 pm • 0 0 • view
I do and have. At one time I was a fundamentalist Christian. I was born into it and brainwashed like many before me. I was serious in my beliefs and raised many questions that went unanswered. So I searched for the answers. None provided evidence for anything supernatural.
sep 3, 2025, 3:37 pm • 1 0 • view
Salutations on your journey, and thanks for the references. I too have encountered religious people who pretend to lead the way to God but only stand in the way. I suppose I was fortunate enough. May you find a tenable and meaningful truth and spread it. Non-belief is a default but not a solution.
sep 3, 2025, 5:54 pm • 0 0 • view
You're welcome. I was so brainwashed that my deconversion took about 7 years. I am a Social Humanist. I have many beliefs. None require fairytales or supernatural entities. Humans don't need to look "up" for answers.
sep 3, 2025, 6:00 pm • 0 0 • view