I unsubscribed from the Washington Post and have not been watching MSNBC. But I still subscribe to 4 or 5 newspapers and many more Substacks and magazines. I’m not tuning out. I’m just tuning into different things.
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Of course not all of MSNBC merits viewing I geo my real news from Nicole Wallace Deadline White House Lawrence O’Donnell and Rachel Mafdow. they are my biased and care deeply about our democracy
nov 24, 2024, 8:36 pm • 33 1 • view
I would also include Joy Reid in that category too.
nov 26, 2024, 10:29 pm • 1 0 • view
They’re great IMO. Not sure why people are painting every show with the same brush.
nov 24, 2024, 8:56 pm • 6 0 • view
Me, too.
nov 25, 2024, 2:48 pm • 1 0 • view
100% 💙
nov 24, 2024, 11:12 pm • 4 0 • view
No tv news since Nov. 6th. No MSNBC. No other national news. I will grab news stories from apps of local news sources & social media. He is not my president. He’s said as much over these past 10 years. He only wants certain Americans to be represented and protected. The rest of us can go to hell.
nov 24, 2024, 11:00 pm • 2 0 • view
Doing same thing. Finding old fashioned muckrakers and journalists and supporting them. No more Morning Joe etc.
nov 24, 2024, 9:58 pm • 1 0 • view
Hard habit to break. Dumped Twitter last year, WaPo last month and CNN and MSNBC today. Tired of being a target of the noise cannon
nov 25, 2024, 6:11 am • 1 0 • view
The magazine I can't live without is @theprospect.bsky.social for in-depth takes on the country's changes. I donate regularly to their coverage. Any advice on how to navigate quality on Substack without going broke???
nov 24, 2024, 9:57 pm • 1 0 • view
I am the last person to ask because I am going broke from all of the Substacks I follow! I wish they would have some kind of equivalent of a starter pack where you could get five Substacks for the price of one!
nov 24, 2024, 10:01 pm • 1 0 • view
bsky.app/profile/todd...
nov 24, 2024, 8:52 pm • 12 2 • view
Same here. NYT and WaPo subscriptions canceled. 4-5 hours of MSNBC reduced to Lawrence O’Donnell.
nov 24, 2024, 10:11 pm • 5 1 • view
Dan Rather is on Substack and I love his coverage.
nov 24, 2024, 9:47 pm • 11 1 • view
I have been subscribing to his Substack for a long time and I agree. I’m embarrassed about the number of Substack that I subscribe to, but maybe I will make a list.
nov 24, 2024, 9:51 pm • 5 1 • view
His writing is wonderful to have to read in times like this.
nov 24, 2024, 9:54 pm • 4 2 • view
Lucian Truscott IV is good too.
nov 24, 2024, 9:55 pm • 2 1 • view
Yup. I’m only going to read articles that sound interesting, watch my local news and only get national news from PBS and BBC world. No more big corporate media for me.
nov 24, 2024, 10:04 pm • 8 1 • view
This is me. It's called self-preservation, but also a recognition that we need to keep informed and keep up the fight, always.
nov 24, 2024, 10:14 pm • 2 0 • view
Thanks for this and I’ve found a bunch to follow in the comments. I’d like to add @claireberlinski.bsky.social and her Cosmopolitan Globalist substack.
nov 25, 2024, 1:51 pm • 1 0 • view
The Guardian
nov 24, 2024, 9:53 pm • 2 0 • view
Yes! That is one of the five I subscribe to.
nov 24, 2024, 9:54 pm • 0 0 • view
Same, same...we are complicit if we stay with the same questionable media sources. I've found overseas newspapers & magazines a good source of non-slanted American news...
nov 25, 2024, 4:19 pm • 2 0 • view
Clear indication that most people who pay for subscriptions, are over feeling patronized by the mainstream media and choosing to get their news elsewhere. Paying for it is not the issue.
nov 25, 2024, 3:49 am • 1 1 • view
Exactly. So sick of SpinCo already. Legacy media isn't listening. BlueSky should be a huge wake up. Millions of us want stronger spaces like this.
nov 24, 2024, 11:41 pm • 2 0 • view
The Tennessee Holler
nov 25, 2024, 12:03 am • 3 0 • view
Same. I haven’t watched MSM since the election. My husband tunes in to MSNBC, but I’m done. I’ve found other independent sites who don’t appear to be kissing trumps ass.
nov 25, 2024, 3:32 pm • 0 0 • view
Same
nov 24, 2024, 8:49 pm • 1 0 • view
This. I've been leaning on my local news channels and paper, local public radio and television stations, and even BBC. I want to know what's happening in the world. I do not need to read/see endless nonsense stories about polls or Trump voters and their nonreality based musings.
nov 24, 2024, 8:29 pm • 99 6 • view
+1 Even with local, you might get a Sinclair station. The landscape is hard to navigate these days.
nov 24, 2024, 8:32 pm • 55 0 • view
Every local station but one within a 100 mile radius of me is Sinclair owned. I log on to the websites for local news and ignore the rest. My husband watches the evening news for the weather. I personally prefer print to TV and very seldom watch.
nov 24, 2024, 9:01 pm • 30 1 • view
Someone smart will keep an eye on Sinclair as conservatives try to make the case that broadcast license holders must have no political bias. Every one of their stations holds a license.
nov 25, 2024, 6:07 am • 0 0 • view
Exactly what I mean. And so many people probably have no idea. Combine that with many not as savvy as you and not knowing or trying to find alternatives…and that is a silent, scary problem.
nov 24, 2024, 9:07 pm • 17 1 • view
For years, I started my days w Today & ended them w local & NBC Nightly News - haven't tuned into any of them since 11/5. And I've basically left "my (e)x" - but my sports & wx ppl aren't here. I am feeling a bit like I'm stumbling in the dark. Big changes for someone who finds comfort in routine!
nov 24, 2024, 11:55 pm • 18 1 • view
I grew up starting my days with Today and then switched to Morning Joe. I stopped watching MSNBC at 9 pm on 11/5 so it will be 3 weeks on Tuesday and I’m already developing new routines. Give it time. This place is growing. I’m still on X for some of the political data guys but they are moving here.
nov 25, 2024, 12:00 am • 33 1 • view
Same. Morning Joe with my cup of coffee most mornings for eight years. Done with all of it. Moved completely to print media including many you have mentioned. Think MSNBC will be surprised how many of us will not return.
nov 25, 2024, 11:15 am • 1 0 • view
Thank you. And same, my grandparents and parents always watched NBC - it's been kind of a security blanket in life. Very disappointed, to say the least, in their lack of full reporting and sane-washing of all things Tr*mp. So here we are.
nov 25, 2024, 12:16 am • 19 1 • view
Thankfully, Sinclair hasn't bought any of my local stations.
nov 24, 2024, 11:51 pm • 0 0 • view
yes, our Sinclair station is a sparkling festival of pretty girls sane-washing the Trump picks
nov 25, 2024, 7:37 am • 0 0 • view
My former favorite local station in Providence is Sinclair owned. I couldn’t understand why WJAR NBC 10 was bashing Hillary so much in 2016, but soon found out why & stopped tuning in to their news broadcasts.
nov 25, 2024, 12:31 pm • 0 0 • view
I stopped @ 15 years ago, I found they only covered surface topics, and repeatedly. I follow my own local paper, and lots of independent journalists and am now much better informed, at my own time and pace.
nov 25, 2024, 6:16 pm • 0 0 • view
I unsubscribed to every newspaper but the Philadelphia Inquirer. Occasionally read Atlanta Constitution. Haven't watched cable since July. BlueSky is now my primary source for breaking news.
nov 25, 2024, 3:49 pm • 0 0 • view
📌
nov 25, 2024, 11:39 am • 0 0 • view
I’m done with billionaire publishers bullying editor and writers into normalizing fascists and anarchists. You can give them air time, but I’m not consuming it.
nov 25, 2024, 9:56 pm • 2 0 • view
Same even with the fear of sounding like an echo chamber (but really who gives a fuck LMAO)
nov 24, 2024, 8:51 pm • 1 0 • view
@mcuban.bsky.social
nov 25, 2024, 2:08 am • 1 0 • view
Exactly. No msm here or newspapers but I am still very informed
nov 25, 2024, 2:42 pm • 2 0 • view
💯
nov 25, 2024, 4:31 pm • 0 0 • view
@msnbc is FAR more than MorningJoe. There are shows that do report,have analysis of what T. & those who does help him do what he wants to us & our country. One is Deadline White House which is excellent; I watch th day after on Peacock b/c I don’t have cable. T.will hate it b/c he hates facts,truth.
nov 25, 2024, 6:43 pm • 1 0 • view
I only watch media's Brian and David pack stopped watching all mainstream media during the election they excused DT ish treated VP Harris wrongly..smh
nov 25, 2024, 8:40 am • 0 0 • view
Dropped the Post and switched to the @inquirer.com (Philadelphia Inquirer). It’s run by a non profit.
nov 25, 2024, 2:28 am • 5 0 • view
Same! Plus you get @willbunch.bsky.social
nov 25, 2024, 2:30 am • 3 0 • view
Thank you, I’ll keep an eye out for his articles!
nov 25, 2024, 2:32 am • 0 0 • view
@meidastouch.bsky.social
nov 25, 2024, 12:13 am • 1 0 • view
Same
nov 24, 2024, 11:08 pm • 0 0 • view
I read from many different sources. WaPo, NYT, WSJ are no longer included. Such a horrible failure on their part. Or maybe not. They helped elect the guy who will best benefit the bosses.
nov 24, 2024, 11:20 pm • 3 1 • view
Yep me too
nov 25, 2024, 12:21 am • 1 0 • view
@juddlegum.bsky.social I would add to any list
nov 25, 2024, 1:31 am • 1 1 • view
Yes, he was one of the first I subscribed to.
nov 25, 2024, 1:32 am • 1 0 • view
Important points, Ellen. Thanks for posting.
nov 25, 2024, 1:39 am • 1 0 • view
@bostonglobe.com has been doing a better job than Washington Post and NYT
nov 25, 2024, 3:13 am • 0 0 • view
I am right there with you... I won't click on anything from corporate media... and I am way better informed.
nov 25, 2024, 1:16 pm • 1 0 • view
That’s me in a nutshell now. I’m over mainstream media and all the silly opinion hosts. And as if I needed any more validation: Joe and Mika prostrating themselves at mar a lago last week cemented my feeling.
nov 24, 2024, 8:50 pm • 7 0 • view
Your post describes me almost exactly. Dropped WaPo, but still have New York Times, The Atlantic, and my local newspaper. Also having listened for a few years to Charlie Sykes and Tim Miller I'm thinking about finally joining the Bulwark instead of listening for free.
nov 24, 2024, 8:50 pm • 8 1 • view
Yes, I subscribe to the Atlantic, the New Yorker and the New Republic. I have a paid subscription to @thebulwark.bsky.social and I think it’s worth it. I also subscribe to way too many Substacks.
nov 24, 2024, 8:55 pm • 1 0 • view
The Guardian has the best news coverage of DC. Ironically it’s a UK paper.
nov 25, 2024, 1:51 pm • 8 2 • view
Yes, I started subscribing to @theguardian.com after a presentation by the @mediaanddemocracy.bsky.social a few months ago when they urged us to change our media diet.
nov 25, 2024, 1:53 pm • 1 0 • view
Me too. This 💯
nov 24, 2024, 10:21 pm • 2 0 • view
I listen to NPR, read The Wire, Atlanta, The Economist. I'm a pretty happy person. What else are some good reads and stations?
nov 25, 2024, 12:47 am • 3 1 • view
Same. I don’t trust many institutions anymore, but I trust some individual sources of information.
nov 25, 2024, 4:48 am • 1 0 • view
Yes same They need to look at themselves in the mirror and admit they are the problem
nov 24, 2024, 10:33 pm • 0 0 • view
Me too!
nov 25, 2024, 4:41 pm • 0 0 • view
Same!
nov 24, 2024, 11:29 pm • 0 0 • view
DITTO!
nov 24, 2024, 10:42 pm • 1 0 • view
There are lists here of independent news/reporters from various states also. I follow a few. really good reporting ie @thetnholler.bsky.social for example just fyi
nov 24, 2024, 11:32 pm • 1 0 • view
Me too. Is there a nazi-free, fact-filled alternate media starter pack someone has curated? I’m so sick of giant conservative ownership/newsrooms. Trusted media/ownership is hard to find.
nov 24, 2024, 8:30 pm • 37 2 • view
Me too. I have learned a lot from Heather Cox Richardson newletter and Ezra Klein show podcast.
nov 25, 2024, 1:21 am • 1 0 • view
And the Guardian
nov 25, 2024, 1:21 am • 0 0 • view
The Guardian, The Philadelphia Inquirer are great newspapers.
nov 24, 2024, 8:29 pm • 149 8 • view
I subscribe to them and outside country papers too. We hear nearly zero about world events.
nov 24, 2024, 8:35 pm • 2 0 • view
Agree!
nov 25, 2024, 1:31 am • 2 0 • view
@newrepublic.bsky.social
nov 25, 2024, 1:51 am • 3 1 • view
@thenation.com
nov 25, 2024, 1:50 am • 3 0 • view
Those are two that I subscribe to.
nov 24, 2024, 8:32 pm • 35 0 • view
The Inquirer is owned by a non-profit and The Guardian is owned by the British equivalent of a public benefit corporation. This is the way. For profit media is killing us.
nov 24, 2024, 9:25 pm • 10 1 • view
This is the way.
nov 25, 2024, 10:43 am • 0 0 • view
nov 25, 2024, 3:44 pm • 1 0 • view
Mother Jones is a great source of information
nov 24, 2024, 9:00 pm • 60 3 • view
Agree! Also subscribe to @davidcorn.bsky.social’s newsletter.
nov 24, 2024, 9:04 pm • 37 1 • view
Thanks, I will check it out.
nov 24, 2024, 9:05 pm • 7 1 • view
Thank you I just did !
nov 25, 2024, 6:26 am • 1 0 • view
That’s a good point. I should send them so dough, too.
nov 24, 2024, 9:33 pm • 2 0 • view
Ellen, this is me EXACTLY.
nov 24, 2024, 11:22 pm • 2 0 • view
Blue Sky. Midas +. HRC letter. Some other substacks and Rachel and Lawrence. Retired but I’ve turned off the my daily MSNBC habit.
nov 24, 2024, 8:44 pm • 6 2 • view
I’ve stopped listening to the news on my way into work, I stopped listen to it about 2 weeks before the election and I just got so sick of the same sh*t, I still have the NYT and Washington Post but I mainly check my Apple News app or on here for current affairs
nov 25, 2024, 3:49 pm • 0 0 • view
I no longer watch MSNBC. Haven’t watched CNN in years. Get my news from these social sites now & Meidas Touch.
nov 24, 2024, 8:37 pm • 20 1 • view
Same here.
nov 24, 2024, 8:32 pm • 3 0 • view
Don’t pay money to them just get on Bluesky And read the news you can read the news there’s a News handle it’s OK stop subscribing to that crap if you look on their local tv news channels you can read Articles in every state of the nation it’s free and safe! Just look up NBC any city! All cities!
nov 25, 2024, 12:22 am • 1 0 • view
Absolutely. I cancelled my NYT subscription and would never go back. I don’t watch cable news in any event—it’s all garbage. I re-subscribed to Talking Points Memo (TPM) in the wake of the election. I get the New Yorker and also read The Nation on occasion. Pro Publica and the Guardian are good
nov 25, 2024, 1:50 am • 2 0 • view
Same!
nov 25, 2024, 3:45 pm • 1 0 • view
The Guardian is good.
nov 24, 2024, 9:13 pm • 5 0 • view
Yes, that is one of the newspapers I subscribe to online. I subscribed to @theguardian.com after @mediaanddemocracy.bsky.social visited a @markers4democracy.bsky.social zoom a few months ago and suggested that we change our media diet.
nov 24, 2024, 9:18 pm • 3 0 • view
Virginia Mercury is good journalism, a bit regional though
nov 25, 2024, 12:51 pm • 0 0 • view
#Same
nov 25, 2024, 6:08 am • 0 0 • view
Exactly
nov 24, 2024, 9:58 pm • 1 0 • view
Same
nov 26, 2024, 8:52 pm • 0 0 • view
I would really like to see a billionaire like Mark Cuban buy and support some TV news. The right wing money behind Fox, etc is crazy.
nov 25, 2024, 3:58 am • 2 0 • view
🙋🏽♀️ Haven't watch MSM Cable/TV news in years. I also bailed from NYT and WaPo. I look for accurate, thoughtful, reasoned journalism, not editorials.
nov 24, 2024, 10:58 pm • 5 2 • view
I'm seriously and desperately looking for the same. What do you folks use?
nov 24, 2024, 11:22 pm • 1 0 • view
I use aggregate news services. Ground News is subscription but it's pretty good. Even Google news page is an aggregate. Read foreign news like AFP, Euronews, etc. We think we know what other countries think of us.....we don't.
nov 24, 2024, 11:26 pm • 2 0 • view
I know what they think of us. We're the wealthy drunk uncle at the family gathering. We're boors, loud, rude, and overly prideful. But seriously, thank you for the reminder to look at foreign news services.
nov 24, 2024, 11:30 pm • 1 0 • view
I really want this to get out there, not to "gain clout," but because it's important people understand why being a billionaire itself is a danger to society, even if they have good intentions, do the right thing, etc. Billionaires. Are. Dangerous.
nov 24, 2024, 11:56 pm • 2 1 • view
Actually some of articles I've read expressed sympathy. They see all the wealth being sucked out of the middle class. There is some solidarity out there.
nov 24, 2024, 11:36 pm • 0 0 • view
👍🏽
nov 24, 2024, 11:22 pm • 1 0 • view
Ditto.
nov 25, 2024, 3:23 pm • 0 0 • view
100%
nov 24, 2024, 9:36 pm • 0 0 • view
I unsubscribed from the WaPo & NY Times after the 1st debate, when I realized the MSM was never going to cover TFG critically. This sealed the deal. newrepublic.com/article/1547...
nov 25, 2024, 6:28 pm • 5 3 • view
!!!
nov 24, 2024, 11:32 pm • 2 0 • view
I do not subscribe to any newspapers. Stopped viewing MSNBC/ CNN do view Weather Channel & NFL , NHL MLB Netflix British 🇬🇧 programs
nov 25, 2024, 3:03 am • 1 0 • view
Me, too.
nov 25, 2024, 12:02 am • 0 0 • view
Yes I unsubscribed to NYT and LATimes after being a longtime subscriber. I’ve stopped watching MSNBC and CNN. I left Twitter last week. I too am tuning into other sources now for my news.
nov 24, 2024, 9:25 pm • 16 2 • view
I couldnt agree more. I dont need a liberal media like Fox News propoganda for the GOP. I want a media that has the courage like Lawrence ODonnell to report the news.
nov 25, 2024, 5:52 pm • 3 0 • view
Tennesee Holler is good as well.
nov 25, 2024, 4:47 pm • 1 0 • view
Also support nonprofit journalism :)
nov 24, 2024, 8:42 pm • 6 1 • view
Yes. I support @propublica.org and @motherjones.com as well as some local New York independent nonprofits.
nov 24, 2024, 8:48 pm • 14 0 • view
Timothy Snyder, too. His writing is bracingly difficult to read sometimes but I need to truth however I can get it. The "legacy" media and pretty much all of msnbc which I used to watch constantly -- it's all the same regurgitated stuff. I can't stomach hearing it anymore.
nov 24, 2024, 8:51 pm • 10 0 • view
We have the power to switch this whole narrative on this corrosive for profit model of news. three branches of govt have been captured by corporations and billionaires. Hopefully we can hold on to the 4th branch.
nov 24, 2024, 8:57 pm • 3 0 • view
same.
nov 25, 2024, 2:51 pm • 1 0 • view
I paid for a year of @thewarningses.bsky.social substack because it allows others to get it free. Plus it came with a few others columns as part of a package. I have great daily info for less than .20 a day. I don’t need Wash Po
nov 24, 2024, 9:46 pm • 1 0 • view
Same.
nov 25, 2024, 2:07 am • 1 0 • view
Did you know that if you subscribe to a cable TV package that you are sending about $50/year to Fox News Corp and only about $4/year to NBC, parent of MSNBC? Yes, that’s four dollars. Starve Fox by cancelling your cable package. Do it today! U can still watch NBC by subscribing to Peacock
nov 24, 2024, 9:05 pm • 4 1 • view
I'm seriously considering switching from Astound RCN cable to YouTube TV so less of my money goes to Fox News Corp. I was only keeping it to have access to CSPAN and now I don't want to watch it anymore.
nov 24, 2024, 9:56 pm • 2 0 • view
Do you have a Roku or FireStick? It acts as a remote control and you can use it to access local/national news without funding Fox/OAN/Newsmax and other GOP propagandists.
nov 24, 2024, 10:14 pm • 2 2 • view
No, I have smart TV's now.
nov 24, 2024, 10:15 pm • 2 0 • view
Yeah, I do too. The FireStick works in tandem with it providing a second way of accessing content.
nov 24, 2024, 10:20 pm • 2 0 • view
Got it. My only other issue is YouTube TV doesn't carry Lifetime and my Astound RCN has these below apps that aren't on my Smart TV's- LG (Acorn, Hoopla, MHz Choice, PBS, Roku and Viki) and Vizio (Hoopla, MHz Choice, Roku and Viki).
nov 24, 2024, 10:23 pm • 1 0 • view
I watch PBS, Hoopla, Kanopy, and lots of other services using the FireStick. A good bit of that content is provided free. If more of us dumped our 'cable' TV bundles Fox will feel the pain. On the way out tell your provider you're canceling bc they don't offer a Fox-free package.
nov 25, 2024, 6:52 pm • 3 1 • view
I recently cut the cord from Uverse after many years, and it feels good. I got a Tablo TV device and I'm really amazed as to the picture quality that can be gotten over digital antenna. I half expect this current crop of "how can I get rich" folks to find a way to ruin digital OTA broadcasts.
nov 25, 2024, 8:53 pm • 0 0 • view
Thanks for this info. I'll look into it.
nov 25, 2024, 8:55 pm • 0 0 • view
Substack is literally a billionaire's investment in right wing propaganda.
nov 24, 2024, 8:35 pm • 1 0 • view
Same! 💙
nov 24, 2024, 8:41 pm • 1 0 • view
What did MSNBC do that you resigned from watching them? What negative reporting was it or what did they not report?? Thanks.
nov 25, 2024, 6:44 am • 0 0 • view
This! We all need to be doing this.
nov 25, 2024, 3:55 am • 1 0 • view
🎯🎯🎯✅✅✅
nov 24, 2024, 11:12 pm • 0 0 • view
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar’s Substack has turned out to be a solid and underrated breakdown of the news for me.
nov 24, 2024, 10:16 pm • 18 2 • view
Heather Cox Richardson and Joyce Vance substacks are keeping me sane. I’ll have to check out Kareem.
nov 25, 2024, 12:02 am • 3 0 • view
Kareem’s Substack makes my Tuesday and Friday mornings. You should check it out. I got it for free for about two-months before I had to subscribe to it.
nov 25, 2024, 12:49 am • 3 0 • view
He's fabulous!
nov 24, 2024, 11:23 pm • 0 0 • view
He is such a good writer!
nov 24, 2024, 10:18 pm • 4 0 • view
But how many substacks can on possibly afford? UGH
nov 24, 2024, 10:20 pm • 2 0 • view
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is the only one I have a paid subscription to at the moment. Heather Cox-Richardson and MSW provide their Substack content for no charge.
nov 24, 2024, 10:47 pm • 4 1 • view
Thanks! I will definitely check it out!
nov 24, 2024, 10:49 pm • 0 0 • view
Damn, I wish my father were alive to learn about this.
nov 26, 2024, 11:04 am • 1 0 • view
Why are you punishing all the great host on MSNBC like Hayes, Maddow, Velshi and the progressives and stories they air that aren’t seen anywhere else. We need to support them not make it easier to silence them. How many of us would know who Marc Elias was if not for MSNBC
nov 25, 2024, 2:15 pm • 4 1 • view
I probably will go back to watching Chris Hayes, Ali Velshi, and Rachel Maddow. But right now I’m happy to have the tv off and get the news from newspapers, independent news sites, magazines, and Substacks.
nov 25, 2024, 2:19 pm • 4 0 • view
I get it. lol in 16’ I binge watched superhero movies and TV for months
nov 25, 2024, 2:21 pm • 2 0 • view
I’m listening to NPR and podcasts like @gregsargent.bsky.social’s excellent Daily Blast. And reading a lot. I just don’t need the “Breaking” chyron right now. That may change.
nov 25, 2024, 2:33 pm • 5 0 • view
Don't leave out lawrence O'Donnell
nov 25, 2024, 2:41 pm • 2 0 • view
I am doing the same thing. I am not tuned out at all. But I won’t support the legacy media when all they do is go for clicks and revenue and refuse to inform. I will support independent media while the legacy media dies out.
nov 24, 2024, 8:34 pm • 33 0 • view
I think of it as useful vs clickbait journalism. There are plenty of 'legacy media' that do a fine job. Legacy vs non-legacy isn't the best description of the dividing line.
nov 24, 2024, 9:49 pm • 7 1 • view
That is probably true. But my subscription dollars go to the organization and not just the people who are good. For me, I will no longer support those organizations, hence my description.
nov 24, 2024, 11:27 pm • 5 0 • view
I did the same on Washington Post and MSNBC. Also watch no other tv news. I haven’t stop staying informed. I just have switched to more reliable sources that do not sane wash Trump and his corrupt cohorts.
nov 25, 2024, 3:32 pm • 2 0 • view
I am done with all those mfkrs
nov 25, 2024, 2:52 am • 0 0 • view
I'm with you. I'm fed up with MSM normalizing Trump, a fake Christian, rapist, convicted felon, alleged Epstein pedophile, and blatant traitor to US and our Constitution. It's well past time for media to report honestly and throughly, or be left behind. They've blown opportunity again and again.
nov 25, 2024, 5:01 pm • 2 0 • view
Same
nov 24, 2024, 8:25 pm • 9 0 • view
I also am really tired of their "nobody reads anymore" excuse for losing subscribers. I LOVE to read, as do most of my friends and family. As long as it's the truth and not something spun to meet an agenda, I want to read it.
nov 24, 2024, 11:34 pm • 2 0 • view
I did too - the non-endorsement was just the last straw. They're still denying their slanted coverage, their sane-washing, their hiding anything positive about Biden/Harris. I cancelled NYT too, but just subscribed to the Guardian, looking for others.
nov 24, 2024, 11:31 pm • 2 0 • view
Same. I won’t stand for gaslighting
nov 24, 2024, 11:29 pm • 2 0 • view
Same.
nov 24, 2024, 9:23 pm • 2 0 • view
Jen Psaki and Claire McKaskill (and so many others) are part of the ongoing problem with legacy “news” media. It’s Bread and Circus crap theater. It needs to die.
nov 24, 2024, 10:15 pm • 2 0 • view
@jenpsaki.bsky.social
nov 24, 2024, 11:32 pm • 0 0 • view
Same
nov 24, 2024, 9:55 pm • 0 0 • view
Same here
nov 24, 2024, 11:37 pm • 0 0 • view
WaPo is the last msm I'm subscribing to, and I probably won't renew. They just don't understand that their normalization of the possible demise of democracy, isn't worth paying for.
nov 24, 2024, 9:28 pm • 4 0 • view
What did I miss? What’s wrong with MSNBC?
nov 24, 2024, 8:35 pm • 1 0 • view
A mouthpiece for their wealthy owners. They brutalized Biden 24-7 for being too old, but sane washed Trump’s obvious dementia and crazy commentary. They both sides everything that only has ONE side …democracy not fascism! Final straw Joe S bending the knee to 🍊. The end.
nov 24, 2024, 8:40 pm • 69 4 • view
Joe was always an idiot. He didn’t turn the rest of the network bad. Like I said, people need to chill.
nov 24, 2024, 9:28 pm • 1 0 • view
Truth
nov 25, 2024, 2:44 am • 2 0 • view
Idk. Rachel and Lawrence = pretty powerful. The evening people didn’t particularly sanewash. Never liked Morning Joe anyway.
nov 24, 2024, 8:55 pm • 30 2 • view
The model of news is changing and cannot justify the million dollar salaries of stars who aren’t really stars. Good commentators will survive.
nov 24, 2024, 9:25 pm • 3 1 • view
Exactly. So just the morning Joe thing is what people are freaking out about? I thought something else happened. People need to chill, lol. Good lord.
nov 24, 2024, 8:57 pm • 2 0 • view
I’ve stopped watching entirely, mainly because I’ve needed space to not be enraged but will always appreciate Lawrence & Rachel. That said, if the daytime line up with the likes of Katy Tur & Andrea Mitchell don’t make you pause *EVER* then maybe ask yourself if you’ve moved right, too.
nov 24, 2024, 10:09 pm • 4 0 • view
I could NEVER watch Andrea since 2016. It was agony due to her word searching. Plus her obvious privilege. It was too difficult for me.
nov 24, 2024, 10:11 pm • 1 0 • view
I don’t have cable, so my intake is just what Lawrence and Rachel have on YT. And even then it’s only particular topics. That’s said, just listening someone speak doesn’t mean you agree with them.
nov 25, 2024, 1:38 am • 3 0 • view
Maybe I wasn’t specific enough…. “Just listening to someone speak”- when (for example Katy & Andrea) push contrarian, RW talking points in interviews thinking their manufactured skepticism makes them appear enlightened on the topic, it’s just enraging - and not something Lawrence or Rachel ever do
nov 25, 2024, 4:03 am • 1 0 • view
It was pent up frustration I think. Now Comcast is selling it off. So no center left media will be left unless it can continue to operate somehow. All cable channels are dinosaurs tho.
nov 24, 2024, 9:23 pm • 1 0 • view
My kids who are fairly well informed do not watch any cable.
nov 24, 2024, 9:31 pm • 1 0 • view
Neither do I. I haven’t had cable since 2018. But I do watch a few MSNBC shows on YouTube. Morning Joe was never one of them.
nov 24, 2024, 9:34 pm • 1 0 • view
They are selling it of because they expect the Trump administration to do good on their promise and punish those who said negative things about him. They don’t want that to affect their other services.
nov 24, 2024, 9:26 pm • 1 0 • view
I’m sure they would have held it if Harris won but alas for them they don’t want the headache. MSNBC is a tiny pimple on their enormous behind. Not a money maker.
nov 24, 2024, 9:40 pm • 0 0 • view
Yeah, so what if they’re liars, right?
nov 24, 2024, 9:34 pm • 1 0 • view
Lawrence O’Donnell is not a liar. And who the f are you?
nov 24, 2024, 9:39 pm • 2 0 • view
I think Lawrence is the best among them besides Maddow. These people will land in their feet and be podcasters. They have a following.
nov 24, 2024, 10:14 pm • 2 0 • view
Do you need help? You said Morning Joe, Einstein.
nov 24, 2024, 9:50 pm • 0 0 • view
I said in other posts that Joe was an idiot and I never watched him. And the rest on the network are good people. My point was not watching and bad mouthing the network because of one program is fucking dumb.
nov 24, 2024, 9:54 pm • 1 0 • view
Is that an actual troll?
nov 24, 2024, 10:14 pm • 0 0 • view
It’s as far left as you’ll get on MSM. I guess there are some other day folks people don’t like but I do like my evening dose. I guess that’s not cool to say but who cares?
nov 24, 2024, 8:59 pm • 3 0 • view
I watch a bit of it too on YT. But I know it’s bias. I think that’s the main issue. Diversify sources of news and know their slant.
nov 24, 2024, 9:21 pm • 2 0 • view
I did the same when WaPo didn’t endorse Harris. MSM treated this election like any other political contest. Normalized a fascist candidate. Lots of other choices for facts with the courage to speak the truth. (I also cancelled Amazon but I may need a 12-step program for that one.)
nov 24, 2024, 10:36 pm • 2 1 • view
Ditto
nov 25, 2024, 2:42 am • 0 0 • view
Same here. I stopped tuning into the mainstream media news November 5th, opting for additional news sources, unsubscribing from the Washington Post and subscribing to more Substack contributors. Haven’t regretted it.
nov 25, 2024, 4:29 pm • 0 0 • view
Unsubscribed from WAPO, and also not watching MSNBC.
nov 25, 2024, 1:57 pm • 6 2 • view
Same here. I stopped watching tv news months ago and continue to rely on news outlets that I trust to be unbiased.
nov 25, 2024, 1:13 pm • 4 0 • view
You are my spirit Animal!
nov 24, 2024, 10:52 pm • 1 0 • view
Same.
nov 24, 2024, 9:04 pm • 1 0 • view
Likewise.
nov 25, 2024, 12:07 am • 1 0 • view
I am doing the same! Flushing US CORPORATE MagaMedia down the toilet!
nov 25, 2024, 3:19 pm • 0 0 • view
Yes, exactly this. I’m going to pay for content that informs me, but I’m looking for niche/independent media more and more
nov 25, 2024, 2:46 am • 5 1 • view
Canceled my WP subscription and now my $ go to The Guardian. Also Mother Jones. The @washingtonpost.com was such a major disappointment this last year.
nov 24, 2024, 11:11 pm • 3 0 • view
100%
nov 25, 2024, 2:41 pm • 1 0 • view
I think your post captures the feeling/actions of MANY disappointed voter after this election - well said.
nov 24, 2024, 8:28 pm • 84 3 • view
💯. the guardian. philly inquirer. the atlantic. joyce vance substack. more. traditional media can kiss my ass good bye.
nov 24, 2024, 8:52 pm • 10 2 • view
Can we get a new name for magazine? lol…I hate that the word “MAGA” is in it.
nov 25, 2024, 12:51 pm • 0 0 • view
Switched to the BBC for world news and state outlets. Occasionally check out CSPAN.
nov 25, 2024, 3:26 am • 3 0 • view
💯 same
nov 25, 2024, 12:18 am • 7 0 • view
Same here!
nov 25, 2024, 12:42 am • 0 0 • view
I didn’t unsubscribe to WAPO because I support some of the individual journalists. I also subscribe to several newspapers across the country.
nov 24, 2024, 9:52 pm • 4 0 • view
🎯
nov 25, 2024, 11:15 am • 1 0 • view
Exactly. I was addicted to MSNBC for 9 years. I have not watched since election day. Same for New York Times, stopped reading at the beginning of the year. Im done with them all.
nov 24, 2024, 9:03 pm • 11 2 • view
I was an “MSNBC mom” so it feels weird to go cold turkey off of them but listening to more music and podcasts and in the morning I’m listening to Morning Edition on @npr.org.
nov 24, 2024, 9:07 pm • 12 0 • view
Did you see MTG and the DOGE are going after NPR because it is a democrat show
nov 24, 2024, 9:36 pm • 2 0 • view
Well in all honesty, NPR deals with facts and reality and that is very pro Democrat and Anti Republican!
nov 24, 2024, 9:48 pm • 2 0 • view
Hence why they are going after NPR
nov 24, 2024, 9:59 pm • 3 0 • view
We are living on Earth 2 in an alternate universe
nov 24, 2024, 9:40 pm • 1 0 • view
Same. So much the same.
nov 24, 2024, 11:14 pm • 2 0 • view
Definitely feels weird going cold turkey but I am done with. Just done. I dont even listen in the car anymore.
nov 24, 2024, 9:10 pm • 7 2 • view
Yes. Yes. 1000 times yes.
nov 24, 2024, 9:29 pm • 2 0 • view
I have been donating to AP also… deleted all and plan to read AP and Reuters.
nov 25, 2024, 2:47 pm • 3 0 • view
📌
nov 25, 2024, 12:12 am • 1 0 • view
Same! Have not watched MSNBC since Election Day - so I missed the Joe and Mika Appeasement Parade. Cancelled the Post after the bold decision by Jeffy to not endorse for POTUS. And have not purchased a thing from Amazon since - and I sheepishly admit they used to come to my house daily.
nov 24, 2024, 10:09 pm • 2 0 • view
I'm with Ellen here. I subscribed to the Washington Post for 8 years. Same for the LA Times. Similar for the New Yorker, the Atlantic, and a few others. In the last year I've been canceling these subscriptions for a combination of reasons (they let go folks I liked to read while keeping
nov 25, 2024, 5:16 am • 4 1 • view
abject tools, they spent months talking about Bidens age and then suddenly forgot Trump was old when Kamala became the nominee and other asymmetric coverage, etc.). But I didn't stop reading and supporting news. I still support @theguardian.com and the East Bay Times. I also support these smaller
nov 25, 2024, 5:16 am • 3 1 • view
not for profit places like @propublica.org, @texastribune.org, @arktimes.bsky.social and smaller outlets like @404media.co, @techdirt.bsky.social, @tpm.bsky.social and individuals like @radleybalko.bsky.social and @juddlegum.bsky.social
nov 25, 2024, 5:16 am • 4 1 • view
If these larger outlets want to continue alienating folks like me to pander to people who will never subscribe to them, then that's their choice. I can also make choices.
nov 25, 2024, 5:16 am • 2 1 • view
We still need Rachel Maddow.
nov 25, 2024, 5:17 pm • 0 0 • view
Me, too
nov 24, 2024, 9:43 pm • 1 0 • view
📌
nov 25, 2024, 4:13 pm • 0 0 • view
I avoid broadcast media but I will read their online stuff, sometimes.
nov 25, 2024, 10:08 pm • 1 0 • view
I wish I could unsubscribe from New York Times because I can’t stand how they amplify every ridiculous thing coming out of the Trump camp at the expense of covering the normal things that Harris did, but the rest of NY Times is usually really good.
nov 24, 2024, 8:59 pm • 2 0 • view
I haven't been able to watch MSNBC since the election. Too many talking heads and pundits. There's hardly any reporting on news events, national or international. Every time I turn it on, it's just repetitive freak outs about the election. I'm exploring the newsletter Tangle (just subscribed).
nov 24, 2024, 8:57 pm • 12 1 • view
Exactly. The only 2 that I might go back to watching are Chris Hayes and Velshi because they both tend to report on underreported stories. But I am tired of the punditry. Yesterday I went on 2 Substack livestreams that were good — one with @rbhubbell.bsky.social & one with @anandwrites.bsky.social
nov 24, 2024, 9:03 pm • 2 0 • view
Ruhle is good on economic issues.
nov 24, 2024, 9:26 pm • 5 0 • view
Agree but not watching at 11 o’clock at night. I may go back.
nov 24, 2024, 9:29 pm • 1 0 • view
💯
nov 24, 2024, 9:11 pm • 1 0 • view
I missed what happened with MSNBC.
nov 24, 2024, 11:01 pm • 0 0 • view
Yes!!!
nov 25, 2024, 12:07 am • 1 0 • view
I will never watch MSNBC ever again. The good hosts should leave and create their own YouTube presence to save their reputations.
nov 24, 2024, 9:54 pm • 5 0 • view
Same. My WaPo money went to the Philadelphia Inquirer.
nov 25, 2024, 3:51 am • 1 0 • view
I won't watch anything that shows his face or plays his voice. And I won't watch or read anyone who is obeying in advance.
nov 24, 2024, 8:55 pm • 15 0 • view
Exactly this.
nov 25, 2024, 1:01 am • 1 0 • view
THIS!! 🔼
nov 24, 2024, 9:52 pm • 1 1 • view
Morning Joe has gone dark at our house. My wife watched it every morning until Joe and Mika kissed the ring.
nov 25, 2024, 4:31 pm • 4 1 • view
I do miss Steve Ratner and his charts.
nov 26, 2024, 2:00 am • 6 0 • view
Same at our house. No MSNBC or CNN since the election.
nov 26, 2024, 1:59 am • 2 0 • view
My husband is very happy that I stopped watching. He used it as an alarm clock. As soon as Joe started bloviating, it was time to get in the shower, get dressed, and go to work.
nov 25, 2024, 4:45 pm • 1 0 • view
I call this fine-tuning. 🙂
nov 24, 2024, 11:56 pm • 2 2 • view
I try to listen, read and watch everything in moderation I even listen to a conservative radio station in my car Can’t stomach Fox and friends though lol
nov 24, 2024, 11:15 pm • 0 0 • view
Same here! I’m keeping up just not using my usual means
nov 25, 2024, 4:04 pm • 1 0 • view
Ditto😟😟😩🤷♂️🙏
nov 25, 2024, 1:36 am • 1 0 • view
Exactly right. I’ve become disgusted with the sane-washing, gaslighting crap being dispensed by NYT and WaPo in particular.
nov 25, 2024, 3:38 pm • 1 0 • view
Which papers ? I’d love to know
nov 24, 2024, 8:25 pm • 52 2 • view
@thebulwark.bsky.social is my go to
nov 25, 2024, 10:36 am • 1 0 • view
Also, support The Guardian.
nov 25, 2024, 5:42 am • 0 0 • view
I would also add Heather Cox Richardson's "Letter from an American". She is on SubStack.
nov 25, 2024, 12:43 am • 2 0 • view
HCR & Amy Siskind saved my sanity first time around
nov 25, 2024, 2:45 pm • 1 0 • view
I only found out about HCR this June and absolutely love her daily emails.
nov 25, 2024, 9:58 pm • 3 0 • view
I have learned as much abt the past as I have abt current events from her. She is awesome.
nov 26, 2024, 10:53 pm • 1 0 • view
Philly Inquirer Boston Globe ProPublica Rolling Stone Vanity Fair Medias Touch The Bulwark The Guardian Mother Jones The Nation The Texas Tribune (usually) Mississippi Free Press Business Insider The Onion McSweeny’s There are more…off top of my head. Also great nonprofits like Democracy Docket
nov 24, 2024, 8:33 pm • 44 9 • view
I'd add Teen Vogue to that list. They've been pretty good.
nov 24, 2024, 8:59 pm • 8 0 • view
Add @arktimes.bsky.social
nov 24, 2024, 10:24 pm • 2 0 • view
Done, thanks!
nov 24, 2024, 10:45 pm • 0 0 • view
Thank you!
nov 24, 2024, 10:18 pm • 2 0 • view
The Miami Herald still remains good.
nov 25, 2024, 2:58 am • 2 0 • view
I subscribed for a while. But there’s only so much I can read.
nov 25, 2024, 3:11 am • 1 0 • view
The Guardian US and The Guardian are good.
nov 25, 2024, 5:24 am • 4 0 • view
Please try @bylinetimes.bsky.social
nov 24, 2024, 8:56 pm • 3 0 • view
@zeteo.com @levernews.com
nov 24, 2024, 10:00 pm • 1 0 • view
Yes, I also subscribe to @zeteo.com.
nov 24, 2024, 10:03 pm • 1 0 • view
The Guardian. I stick with NYT understanding that it is not perfect. Philly inquirer if applicabel
nov 25, 2024, 1:24 am • 1 0 • view
I still subscribe to the @nytimes.com despite concerns about normalizing Trump. I subscribe to @inquirer.com mostly for @willbunch.bsky.social. @theguardian.com @haaretzcom.bsky.social @nydailynews.com because I want there to be real competition to the odious New York Post. And @propublica.org
nov 24, 2024, 8:38 pm • 7 0 • view
Excellent choices.
nov 24, 2024, 8:53 pm • 1 0 • view
I dumped the @nyt-first-said.bsky.social a long time ago, and never going back. The rest is the same as you said. I will also follow individual reporters I feel can be relied upon despite the publication's editorial conduct. @gregsargent.bsky.social is an excellent one.
nov 25, 2024, 3:03 am • 5 2 • view
Big fan of his podcast. He was my favorite columnist at the Washington Post. podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/t...
nov 25, 2024, 3:11 am • 2 1 • view
fuk the @nytimes.com
nov 25, 2024, 3:16 am • 1 0 • view
A few good independent publications/newsletters/podcasts that deserve your support: @katzonearth.bsky.social @attackerman.bsky.social @theprospect.bsky.social @propublica.org @majorityreport.bsky.social (with @samseder.bsky.social and @emmavigeland.bsky.social)
nov 24, 2024, 8:31 pm • 175 30 • view
Grabbed a few of these to follow - thank you!
nov 24, 2024, 9:19 pm • 3 1 • view
Also, David Sirota and Judd Legum.
nov 28, 2024, 5:51 am • 1 0 • view
Thanks!
nov 25, 2024, 2:52 am • 2 0 • view
📌
nov 24, 2024, 8:52 pm • 1 0 • view
📌
nov 25, 2024, 4:48 pm • 0 0 • view
The is also @truthout.org
nov 25, 2024, 3:29 pm • 0 0 • view
thank you
nov 24, 2024, 11:32 pm • 1 0 • view
🙏🏼
nov 25, 2024, 2:27 pm • 1 0 • view
📌
nov 25, 2024, 12:54 pm • 0 0 • view
@democracydocket.com Marc Elias 👍
nov 24, 2024, 11:03 pm • 4 1 • view
Baltimore Banner
nov 24, 2024, 11:31 pm • 0 0 • view
📌
nov 25, 2024, 7:33 pm • 0 0 • view
📌
nov 25, 2024, 10:53 am • 0 0 • view
@inquirer.com Philadelphia Inquirer is a nonprofit owned newspaper. @seattletimes-rss.bsky.social Seattle Times is family-owned. So I subscribed to them after ditching WaPo and NYT.
nov 25, 2024, 3:20 pm • 0 0 • view
📌
nov 25, 2024, 11:16 pm • 1 0 • view
Thank you!
nov 24, 2024, 10:53 pm • 1 0 • view
@theatlantic.bsky.social , @foreignpolicy.com, @theguardian.com @economist.com, @newyorker.com, @thenation.com, @inquirer.com, @haaretzcom.bsky.social, www.dw.com
nov 25, 2024, 7:27 am • 0 0 • view
📌
nov 24, 2024, 10:27 pm • 2 0 • view
📌
nov 25, 2024, 2:55 am • 2 0 • view
Talkingpointsmemo.com
nov 24, 2024, 9:06 pm • 74 8 • view
💯 been subscribing since before 2016. I think maybe even during the Obama administration.
nov 24, 2024, 9:09 pm • 33 0 • view
I think Josh Marshall is the most important liberal voice we have imo
nov 24, 2024, 9:11 pm • 46 2 • view
We don’t need to listen to liberal voices. We need to listen to the truth.
nov 25, 2024, 6:54 pm • 0 0 • view
The truth has a liberal bias,usually.
nov 25, 2024, 11:16 pm • 1 0 • view
Agree. I like the fact that he’s thoughtful and the fact that he doesn’t engage in the hot take discourse.
nov 24, 2024, 9:12 pm • 29 1 • view
Exactly, and gives a historical perspective.
nov 24, 2024, 9:21 pm • 13 0 • view
Josh was very good, invaluable, in early 2005 in a very similar situation when Bush said he had won "political capital" in the election and wanted to cut Social Security. Josh was very good in steadily pushing members of Congress to take a position. He was the MVP imo in stopping Bush.
nov 24, 2024, 10:05 pm • 2 1 • view
Yes, I think I subscribed back then.
nov 24, 2024, 10:07 pm • 0 0 • view
There are some others too
nov 25, 2024, 12:01 am • 1 0 • view
Just out of curiosity, are you any relation to Hank/Henry Bender? He was a close friend of my dad’s.
nov 25, 2024, 6:11 am • 0 0 • view
📌
nov 25, 2024, 6:12 am • 0 0 • view
I made this list of suggestions.
nov 25, 2024, 6:37 pm • 3 2 • view
Crooksandliars.com Rawstory.com
nov 25, 2024, 2:20 pm • 1 0 • view
Chicago sun times. Solid reporting for Chicagoland and beyond.
nov 24, 2024, 9:56 pm • 1 0 • view
I suggest @theguardian.com
nov 24, 2024, 11:11 pm • 0 0 • view
@atrupar.com www.publicnotice.co
nov 25, 2024, 2:53 am • 2 0 • view
As far as ‘traditional’ papers, the Philadelphia Inquirer has been doing a good job. I unsubscribed from other stuff and redirected the funds to them. I also pay for a couple subscriptions to independent journalists. There are good lists of them in the comments.
nov 24, 2024, 9:33 pm • 5 2 • view
Philadelphia Inquire have a good app?
nov 25, 2024, 1:21 am • 1 0 • view
Yeah. I haven’t used it as much as I should, but I haven’t had any problems with it and I can find what I’m looking for.
nov 25, 2024, 1:44 am • 1 0 • view
@kyivindependent.com @thetnholler.bsky.social @propublica.org
nov 25, 2024, 2:45 pm • 0 0 • view
Exactly
nov 24, 2024, 10:56 pm • 0 0 • view
I am doing the same
nov 25, 2024, 6:35 pm • 1 0 • view
Same...screw the corporate media...its because of them we're in this mess..
nov 25, 2024, 2:03 am • 1 0 • view
I dropped NYT, WaPo, WSJ, don't watch MSNBC any longer.
dec 15, 2024, 1:09 am • 3 1 • view
👍🇺🇲
nov 25, 2024, 1:54 pm • 0 0 • view
Same. Though I still tune in to Rachel @maddow.bsky.social show on Monday night. Also listening to @mollyjongfastbsky.bsky.social on her Fast Politics pod and @meidastouch.bsky.social network on YouTube. My faithful and informative driving partners …
nov 24, 2024, 8:44 pm • 9 1 • view
Molly is fantastic.
nov 25, 2024, 3:18 am • 4 0 • view
Big fan!
nov 25, 2024, 3:21 am • 1 0 • view
I listen to a bunch of podcasts. I really like @gregsargent.bsky.social podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/t...
nov 24, 2024, 8:46 pm • 2 1 • view