“marines don’t choose where they get deployed” Yes they do, they have a choice to go or quit. Upholding their oath can also mean walking away, whatever the consequences.
“marines don’t choose where they get deployed” Yes they do, they have a choice to go or quit. Upholding their oath can also mean walking away, whatever the consequences.
I’m in LA right now and the city is running pretty normal. don’t let the media tell you otherwise.
MAGA doesnt want people to know there was a major game convention in LA over the weekend and it went on with no issues.
The BET awards were last night in DTLA lol.
Ah, so 4000 national guards plus Marines flying combat helicopters (armed) below high rise rooftops are there for a friendly bbq? And because they forgot there charcoal they using random burning cars? They are just training shooting rubber bullets at journalists? Right, totally normal.
Do you have any idea how large the city of LA is ?
Yes, and it is NOT running normal.
Yes, the city is so out of control that the BET awards were last night in DTLA. Show went on with no interruptions.
Be more specific than this filmy statement. WHAT is not running normal? Buses, trains, planes, garbage p/u, deliveries, courthouses, passport offices, retail stores (with the exception of one Home Depot😜), construction sites, mail delivery? Which is it? 🤷♀️
It’s called consciously objecting
The oath taken requires them to march on Washington D.C. in a different form and fashion than being involved in the upcoming fascist facade.
I understand the feeling. But strategically you probably want good guys being deployed to stop the bad guys. If all the good guys walk away bad guys take their place. It's not like there are no MAGA troopers. Remember the female police ofcr that scolded a peer who beat a woman during BLM protests?
Under a fascist regime try that and you will face court martial and made an example of. If those in power are not being held accountable for breaking their oath they sure as hell will prosecute those most vulnerable standing behind theirs.....
Felon Bone Spurs forgets we have a volunteer military. Because he never did.
Indeed; you swear an oath to the Constitution to NOT obey illegal orders.
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Truth is - probably at least some of them, maybe many, are Trumpers. It will depend on the leadership in the military. Hopefully they have not purged all the good guys.
Unlike citizens who quit, a Marine would be jailed. FYI, maybe they feel 1.8 million illegal immigrants in one state is a lot. Maybe they don't. If they are on the fence...they took an oath, maybe they believe that coming they might prevent someone from getting hurt or killed.
The oath is to the Constitution not the orange clown. The military used as law enforcement is AGAINST THE LAW, and for good reason.
I agree. I'm only writing to suggest why Marines don't walk away. They have family and don't want jail time. You can't walk away from the Marines. I mean, it did look bad, and the protestors weren't exactly looking too great either.
Sadly, a decent portion of the military dont join because theyre brave, they join because they are cowards.
One cannot quit without their enlistment being up without consequences.
This is dangerously misguiding. They can only refuse unlawful orders. Deploying to federal buildings as security is not unlawful. Stupid? Absolutely but not unlawful. Firing upon peaceful protestors or being forced into a law enforcement role? That they can refuse.
as long as they are just protecting federal buildings, but they never end up doing that in these situations
Marines deployed in a US city? When did this happen prior to now that you have to compare and say they never just protect federal buildings?
History is riddled with stories of armies there just for peace or whatever excuse they use. I suppose you think that this military parade is a parade too. Army station la New York will be next for some excuse and of course now he's got tanks and troops ready to be deployed onto the streets of DC.
They are ceremonial tanks and vehicles being used. This means no ammunition or any type of projectiles possible. You are assuming that the marines will act on an unlawful order. I trust the men and women in uniform who swore an oath to the constitution. I know enough to trust the majority.
If you're trusting the rank and file of the military forces, you have FAR more trust than I do. I'd like to THINK that the baseline grunts of the armed forces will refuse a direct order that is illegal, but with the continually-eroding state of the top brass being swapped out for Trump loyalists…? >
< Here's hoping your optimism beats out my pessimism, and this ends up being a turning point in this every-quickening downward spiral. Because the ball is in the Marine's court now, and we've already crashed through MOST of our safeguards against this sort of thing happening.
Just remember: the thing you can most control is your own mind.
I'm living on a prayer they're gonna arrest him and all his henchmen.
We don't build "ceremonial tanks". No such thing. Ceremonial tanks are just old outdated ones they throw into parades. "no ammo or any type of projectile possible" is just a historically delusionary comment.
I’m hoping they sent the Marine Choir.
Stationed in NY. (Where's my edit button Blue sky)
Most respectfully as a child of parents in the military, you have it wrong and @altstategov.altgov.info is correct. If you want an explanation that I can better give then scroll up the thread to my reply to anonymous.
Thank you for starting a dialogue. It’s the military & I have absolute respect for the members, their judgement as individuals and collectively. This specific situation in LA with a crazy POTUS and liars in charge is one that few of them could have foreseen. Consequences are hard to foresee as well.
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Actually they can immediately file as a Conscientious Objector.
Not as easy as that.. They too can be charged and prosecuted for not following orders, they depend on that small paycheck and healthcare, they have families to care for just like all of us.
So now we're blaming those enlisted (most likely kids) instead of the military higher ups & Taco Trump. Way to add to the divide.
Naive to say the least, shows you have never served
Stop it. They don't. It's a fuckin CONTRACT and breaking it means losing everything that motivated to enlist. You're really stretching on this shit and it's contrary to your usual "for the regular people" tone. You're willfully ignoring the socio-economic reasons why people enlist.
Exactly! They didn’t sign up to murder Americans!
Good gravy the comments here! Can we stop infantilizing members of the armed forces? 'They're just kids. They might get in trouble!' So are the people being targeted in a lot of cases. Everyone is faced with a choice to stand with unarmed protesters or with the military force threatening them
Actually they don’t have to decide. When are deployed illegally against American citizens their ONLY choice is to refuse, and to stand down. The notion that this is a mystery is just another bit of right wing bullshit.
This! No real commander would deploy troops to enact unconstitutional "duties". If a governor says "stand down" to National Guard members and they refuse the order, they're subject to court martial. It's up to the gov, not the president or the fed DoD.
Is this an honorable discharge? I think the issue is that most ppl in the military are there bc they need the benefits to survive. They can keep the benefits if it’s an honorable discharge.
No, it would NOT be an honorable discharge!
'I was just following orders' holds no water legally, or morally If you choose to hurt civilians, you will ultimately be held responsible If you needed to be told
As someone who fought to get her sister out of the Marines... It's easier to do than you think. Laziness and the military justice code makes it easier.
I served, not in the Marines, but in the non arms bearing military. I know that every service member has the right to refuse unlawful orders. Right now the legality of the deployment of the military is pending in the courts. There is question of the legality of their deployment. Each has a choice.
Yes, I was just talking to my friend about this!
You can resign your officer commission, but enlisted would be charged with dereliction of duty, desertion, disobeying orders (deployment), etc. Imprisonment, fines, likely bad conduct discharge... However, military members ARE required to disobey illegal orders
Imagine the place these kids are in… They took an oath yes, but when they’re superior officer gives them an order if they do not follow that order, they will be court marshalled dishonorably which fucks them the rest of their lives.
only LEGAL orders. they're legally required do disobey all illegal ones, and that gets taken up with JAG. anonymous either has no fucking clue what they're yapping about, or worse, spreading disinformation
At any given moment in time, when it comes from their superior officer, they must default to considering it legal. Unfortunately, it’s only after the fact that we find out whether it was illegal or not. They are in a very, very tough spot and people need to fucking know that.
Incorrect. Such things are very apparent given standing laws. Source: wore the goddamn uniform and sat through endless briefings covering exactly that
All these so called Christian’s getting people killed. Same as it ever was.
Exactly! They are public servants, an clearly they are not serving the public! They are serving the deranged dictator!
I’m sure you realize that you can’t just quit the Marines, or any other branch of the US military. You are under contract. There are ways to terminate the contract early, but “quitting” isn’t one of them. You may be prosecuted for being AWOL. You may also end up with a dishonorable discharge.
And “whatever the consequences” is easy to type. It’s hard when you’re 22, the military is all you know, you barely graduated high school, and now you’re being prosecuted and dishonorably discharged. For many of these kids, it’s akin to ending your life.
You all voted for this, you’re the ones that put them there.
Then they get to see how far only following orders gets them. Their CiC decided to bring the questionable tactics the US uses abroad home. It’s now decision time for those he needs to perform those tactics. He can’t and certainly won’t do them himself
@youranoncentral.bsky.social pull your head out of your ass, read the above, and stop spreading disinformation. what are you, a trumplover? that's nazi shit you're doing, same as they do.
Not to mention a lot of them are in there because of the economic draft: basically they have no other jobs available and no other path to being able to afford to live. Getting a dishonorable discharge can quite literally ruin your life and future, not just send you to prison.
You don’t understand how deployments work. You don’t understand jarhead mentality. There is immense peer pressure in the Marine Corps, which is overwhelmingly white and male. They are conditioned to defend the constitution, but they may have eroded that principle already. We shall see what happens.
EVERY military member is required to disobey illegal orders, no matter how white or male they may be. No doubt in my mind we will arrive at that point.
If called they should report to their bases, stack arms and retire to their barracks.
It’s Sad and Shameful what this Demented Idiot is doing to our Country!
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This is extremely misleading. As the child of military parents here is a better description of how it works. During peacetime you are asked for the locations you are deployed that you prefer. They take it into consideration. During wartime, if you are called to go someplace you go. If you refuse 1/2
to go to your post at wartime you are usually court marshalled or dishonorably discharged. If you refuse during peacetime because you are asked unlawfully, you will not be punished for refusing the order. I hope this helps. Do better Anonymous. *smdh*
Indeed. If everything was normal, marines would simply be able to trust that their orders are all legitimate. Everything is not normal. #Orders become illegal if even one step in the chain of command is illegal. Marines who take their #oaths seriously are oath-bound to defy illegal orders.
The US Military is a cult unto itself...
Those who make the right choice will certainly not meet unjust punishment from the people. We honor your sacrifice but we do require you to protect the constitution, not an orange administration…
Why aren’t the generals pushing back?
Because Trump and Hegseth replaced the ones who would push back.
Nodding
#Lawsuits should be aimed at ANYONE in the #Administration or #LawEnforcement or #USMilitary/NatlGuard who #FacilitatesOrExecutesTheseOrders. POTUS may hide behind the traitorous SCOTUS Six Immunity decision, but no one else in the Administration or Armed Forces has Immunity.
Marines follow orders blindly is not a legal defense that worked for the Nazis.
You can't just 'quit' the military BUT they can get a lawyer & refuse to do anything that violates the constitution or law!
I was AD during Trump's first term. I kept a bag of civilian clothes in my car. I was prepared to walk away if order to do THIS!!! Yes, these Marines have a duty to disobey these orders.
Good people all over this great country.
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I think they know
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That means that the ones that go are racist traitors
I believe that the military and police officers took an oath to defend the Constitution. Felon Trump may be the Commander in Chief, but he isn't the Constitution. Illegal orders are not to be obeyed.
I was just following orders didn't save the Nazi during Nuremburg, it won't save any traitors who violate their oath by following the illegal orders of a demented felon.
I hope that you are right. But hey, maybe felon Trump will issue pre-emptive pardons to all of his minions? But naturally for a price. It wouldn't surprise me if he did. Get your pardon here for a nominal fee of 10 000 bucks!
This is true but don't use this point too early. They haven't killed anyone yet. Stop comparing our troops to the SS when they haven't earned that.....yet.
Agreed.
Sorry, what's AD? Active Duty?
Yes.
They have a duty to disobey illegal orders. These orders are not illegal. So far, nobody has asked them to violate any laws. Let's be clear about this.
Would you say Trump is basically walking as close to the lone as possible?
Oh yes, and he's crossed many lines already. My only point is that, so far, no illegal orders have been given to the Marines. The orders to deploy to LA are ill-advised but not illegal. No Marine can say "I refuse to go to LA because that is an illegal order."
What ever the order being a soldier does not remove your ability to make a value judgement.
Yup.
Is it an honorable discharge if you do this?
No. It would probably be a dishonorable discharge, and possibly imprisonment.
I doubt it. This president will probably try them for treason.
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Do you know how ignorant you all sound right now, Anon? I think you need to switch out whoever is posting for you. You aren't helping the cause or your credibility.
You do realize that this is not the real Anonymous, right? None of the Anonymous social media accounts are. They are all random dudes using the Anonymous name. None of them are even script kiddie-tier hackers.
But if this one wants to prove me wrong, then you're the perfect test subject.
Yeah I wondered but 400K+ followers?
Follower count does NOT mean legitimacy.
Fair enough. You get the last word.
So the good ones can be replaced with more MAGA marines?
It's the old nazi "I was only following orders" excuse. Didn't work in Nuremberg, won't work now!
What’s stopping anyone from throwing on some camo and creating a little good trouble from behind the lines? Awfully confusing who’s on what side if that happens
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They won’t refuse. They will kill their own because they’re Brainwashed to obey.
You'd be surprised actually! youtube.com/shorts/oiWVN...
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