I want Tom Nichols and the rest of his merry band of “Never Trump” Conservative, unrepentant, lifetime enablers of Trumpism to go start their own fucking party, instead of trying to remake our party to their own liking as a consolation prize.
I want Tom Nichols and the rest of his merry band of “Never Trump” Conservative, unrepentant, lifetime enablers of Trumpism to go start their own fucking party, instead of trying to remake our party to their own liking as a consolation prize.
Do you understand what a coalition is? Do you understand you cannot defeat Trump without a broad coalition? He isn't trying to remake the dem party, only wake up the dem party to focus and not kick people out of the coalition. Otherwise you'll both be in the gulag together.
I want a pony
They are not trying to remake our party. They’re trying to help us win, and they’re the key to understanding how many voters think.
I want to defeat Republicans.
I want people on my side of the argument to listen to others, to discuss, to be open, to try to understand other viewpoints, to admit mistakes and learn from them. You know, the things that intelligent people do, or used to. This is an emergency. Get serious about fixing it.
peanut? ...anyone? 🥺
I want a Pony… And btw, I’ll take em’ they’ve proven time and time again they’re on the proper side… Too bad I can’t say that about all Democrats…
Gordon, may I ask who you supported in the 2016 Democratic primaries?
People out here still stuck on the 2016 primaries for any reason are absolutely fuckin exhausting, move on loser.
We’re not the people still stuck on 2016. We’re just identifying the ones who are.
“We’re just identifying the ones who are” … not only a weird and creepy thing to say, makes it sound like you are in fact the person obsessed with the 2016 primary 😮💨
Like, you are here to bully someone over who you suspect they voted for in a primary over 8 years ago. Get a fucking life.
Why?
Because I’m curious and I believe the answer is pertinent to the conversation.
OK. You go first.
The fact that you want to withhold that info is telling… I supported the Democrat who called themselves a Democrat. I suspect you supported the candidate who didn’t, but wanted to change the Democratic Party from the outside to his image….
Hmm. Deep thoughts. You didn’t answer the question. Were you even registered as a Democrat in that primary you are so concerned about?
Just realized the game is up, didn’t you? A Bernie supporter who doesn’t want people from outside the party changing the party.
The fact that you didn't answer that question proves the point. We see you 👀
What exactly do you see?
That you’re really not opposed to “people from outside the party who want to change the party”. It’s just a handy tool.
Oh, I definitely support Zohran Mamdani, but don’t clutch your pearls too closely. But the Tom Nichols “please curb your verbiage” crowd can go fuk themselves.
You could have made an honest argument. Could have just said “I don’t want the party moving to the center”. Instead you tried the disingenuous “people from outside the party shouldn’t try to change the party” game and paid dearly for it.
He’s saying use words that people relate to. Zohran can work in NYC, but he won’t scale nationally. It’s a completely different voter block. Also I like Zohran too, and would vote for someone like him in my metro area. But they don’t work nationally
Zohran Mamdani is not a Democrat.
yeah, you can tell bc he wins things
Gordon, may I ask who you supported in the 2016 Democratic primaries?
Genius, Gordon. Dilute the pro-democracy vote even further.
This is not only how dictators take power… this is how they hold on to it. Splitting coalitions in a time of crisis is not the way out of tyranny. Building coalitions is.
And we want you to grow up and realize you don’t always get everything you want. I guess we’ll both be disappointed. Muted
I want to be cowboy
Purely for the hat I suppose…or is it the feel of leather chaps on your legs
No leather chaps. Wooly chaps pair with the Pope hat.
I wanted to be an astronaut. Closest I got was a Grateful Dead Concert in 1987
Why is there a watermelon there
Could you boys please leave the coalition building to @sarahlongwell25@bsky.social.
Ah. Thank goodness you can Google that phrase and get the answer to "What does TAOBBIT8D mean?" WYGTYA, I guess.
It's not my damned planet Monkey Boy!
I’ll tell you later.
When we all see the danger, who gives a f*ck what went before? Move forward!
Do you actually like TAOBBAT8D or you just know the quote out of generally geekiness?
both?
Well, I’d say the former implies the latter. 😁
Sined, Seeled, Delivered.
And you can be my cowgirl. Oh wait. . .
I mean... You would be a great cowboy... Funny looking..but you would be a great cowboy.... Then we would have to discuss the subject of cowboys...that's for another day...
Might work in a parliamentary system. The USA is stuck with a presidential one.
Please just think before you type.
I remember feeling that way about MAGA around 2016 ...
AKA the Jill Stein voter who helped usher in Trump again.
Nichols is right. We forge a coalition or the Republican is gone in November 2026. We need not all agree.
A “coalition” is one thing. Allowing this bunch to turn the Democratic Party into their preferred GOP lite is a bridge too far. That’s exactly how we got to where we are today.
You retweet the likes of Bill Kristol. Fine. But never forget who these people really are. If they belatedly help stop Trumpism, fine. But then they’ll be right back to their old elitist schtick.
I’m pro-Constitution. I’m good with anybody else who’s pro-Constitution in order to preserve this nation.
Who did you support in the 2016 Democratic primaries?
FYI, none of us like the Democratic Party, we’re all fellow travelers trying to save our country. The Democratic Party you’re trying to save sucks, Never Trumpers think so, independents think so, Progressives think so. You’re trying to save a plane with no wings and angry at those helping
Why does it suck?
Whatever you do Gordon, make sure you push away every ally, every possible ally, and ensure we live under a dictatorship. You can tell all the other concentration camp inmates that you were true to yourself and your ideals.
You don't get it bub.
Can we keep Bill Kristol & Jen Rubin?
I disagree!
Tom may right, he may be wrong. What he wants is for Democrats to win elections. He is not wrong about that taking a coalition that shows up and votes D. That is a goal I can get behind.
OK, boomer
Jesus. Like Bernie and the DS bloody A?
Allies don't always have to agree. Sounds like you are looking forward to a lifetime of authoritarian rule, but at least your ideology will be pure. Not much of a consolation prize though.
It never hurts to listen to a smart critic. Hear them out. If we can make a strong case, they may listen. If we can’t make a strong case, maybe we rethink it. Right now, there are only two sides—those who are willing to accept a dictator and those who aren’t.
Best comment. Listen to smart critics and assess what they are saying.
This is a ridiculous comment. We are not at a point in time to run on purity tests. That’s why we are in the situation we are in….which is a very very dire situation.
100%! You get it
So you want to never win another election. Got it.
There is no perfection in government. We need voters who will CONSISTENTLY SHOW UP AND VOTE, for the lesser evil. Otherwise, this is what we get. I would have taken Kamala Harris as president. She was not my first choice but it didn't matter.
I want more people to vote for the Democratic Party, so we pretty clearly have very different goals.
Donald Trump is going to remake your party for you and it's going to look a lot like old people sitting around bitching about all their friends that went to prison and never came back and how they used to have elections. If that sounds good, keep turning away allies and ignoring good advice.
You dumb fuck.
You want and NEED Tom Nichols in the party because the goal is to get rid of Trump and his minions. If you can’t see that, step aside. The Never Trump people are extremely important to this goal. Casting them as enablers of Trump is mindless stupidity.
Your party blew it.
Thanks for trying to run off voters. People like you are why we are where we are
Trump and maga aren’t even close to conservatives.
Your message sounds just like the 'f*ck the South" movement from twenty years ago. One reason why Barack Obama won a signal victory in 2008 and Joe Biden inched ahead in 2020 is because they courted moderates and won pockets of the South. You must really want Trump or Vance in 2028.
Wow. You are good at coalition building!
It's in his language, referring to Dems as You and GOP as They. Where is his We when he mouths things about coalitions? If he wants to vote for Dem candidates he's welcome to, but trying to lever the Dems into being pre-MAGA GOP won't cut it. There are reasons why MAGA emerged from that GOP.
Just checking -- do you actually vote for Democrats, donate to Democrats, etc.? Or are you one of these people who bitches about the Dem candidate and then stays home to save your purity?
Maybe they can make a party that actually wins elections, unlike Democrats (you know the party that welcomed Trump as one of their own for decades).
It's okay to see that something is not working and change your mind. In fact, you should. It's just absolutely not necessary to agree with everyone at the table, just thank them for coming and bringing the potato salad, even if it's not your favorite. It will be to someone.
Tough shit. You Dems need a spanking and we are here to give it to you.