"We shouldn't cede 'we should be able to build stuff' to the right" is anything but stupid, and it's an indictment of the responses that this isn't universally acknowledged.

Except it is stupid and dishonest because nobody is saying “we shouldn’t be able to build stuff.” See, that is a straw man argument. Fabricating a quote nobody said bc it is indisputable to make the people who have OTHER arguments look absurd. It’s fallacious and dishonest.

If your position is that we aren't ceding that position to the right, because no one is saying the opposite, that's great, and we can talk about whether you're right, but it isn't a strawman, stupid, or dishonest to say that we shouldn't yield particular ground to the bad guys.

Nobody is saying . That's what I wrote. And that's why *claiming* people are saying the opposite is a strawman. Knocking down an absurd argument nobody is making. I thought I said it pretty clearly, but if not that's on me.

I appreciate the clarification. I don't think I suggested that anyone thinks we *should* cede the idea, and I am not aware of anyone who does. The point is that we shouldn't cede it inadvertently.

Do... do you not know what "quotation marks" are? Why do talk like you were raised in a lab?

hey there ,be easy on John Penis, he said he hasn't read any of the thread therefore doesn't know what he's talking about and just making stuff up to sound smart

Real rich coming from the dingdong who basically referred to me pointing out that doubling down false claims and lies is why someone is getting ratio'd as "a mindless, immoral, conformist and borderline-abuser-psychology" while admitting you know nothing about what we're talking about

Building bad stuff is bad and should be rejected.