Can anyone explain why living someplace where you could access most of your daily needs within a 15 minute walk or bike ride from home could possibly be a bad thing?
Can anyone explain why living someplace where you could access most of your daily needs within a 15 minute walk or bike ride from home could possibly be a bad thing?
The spokesperson for the American asphalt industry has prepared a statement.
It's all in the framing. Things you can access in 15m bike or walk in your average suburb is basically nothing, and you are trapped in a desert. (Even the amount you can access within a 15m DRIVE is also terribly limiting).
I could see the larger stores like Home Depot, Target, etc. not being excited that they all have these massive lots, usually further away from residential areas and their customers needs are being served by a more local businesses so they no longer need to drive out to them as much.
it's very bad if you own a car dealership, one of the biggest political lobbying groups in this country
“If the government decides to restrict our movement to control us, we won’t be able to object by pointing out that we need our cars due to the inconvenience.” It’s a stupid argument, but that’s what the biggest one is, apparently. 🤷🏻♂️
Yeah, but I live someplace where virtually everyone drives to the supermarket and still they realize that being a 2 minute drive from Whole Foods is better than needing to drive 15 minutes to the store.
I like to ride to Erewhon just to demonstrate how easy it is to park a bicycle. My intention is to embarrass all the fools struggling so hard to park their wankpanzers, but I don't think they get it.
Sitting on my couch after a short ride to a bike shop. My shirt agrees strongly.
Where did you get that t-shirt from?
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thanks!
We should schedule a podcast - my thoughts like months. Wonna do?
definitely.
You can't sell cars that way The oil industry insurance companies and DOT's across the country need drivers
Cars, man!
“Do your own research”, “I’m not here to educate you” etc…
We explained why people think that in this episode: thewaroncars.org/2023/03/21/c...
I will give it a listen but did want to clarify that I understand why people mistaken believe this...I was asking if/why it actually could be a bad thing (which may be a rhetorical question).
Ah! Got it. I honestly can't think of an answer for that, though!
Free dumb
15-minute neighborhoods are definitely a bad thing for used car salesmen. Most people buy used cars. Used car salesmen get up to a 40% commission every time a vehicle changes hands. More cycling = less wear & tear, fewer trade-ins.
Virtual appointments with downtown medical specialists also reduce driving.
If you don't drive an f350 everywhereat 80 mph, the terrorists have won
Some people would just be having too good of a time, and miserable people can't stand other people not being as miserable as they are, so they think people having a good time is a bad thing.
If there is ever any reasonable historical analysis and retrospection about our era, scholars are going to really puzzle over how so many people were convinced to center so many aspects of their communities around automobiles and the internal combustion engine.
Funny how people object to this then drive around and idle in parking lots to get the closest possible spot.
Best as I can tell, it's a variation of the - "maybe we could cycle to places sometimes?" - "you want to ban cars? What about my disabled neighbour"? type of logic. Some people just can't tell enabling cycling and government confiscating their car apart.
it's never actually someone who is disabled either! just someone who wants to drive everywhere without ever being inconvenienced for like 5 seconds by having to pass a cyclist on the road. permatrue: bsky.app/profile/ryan...
if you want to support people who *need* to drive (which ignores plenty of people who are unable to safely operate motor vehicles!) how bout you get out of your car and bike instead so they aren't stuck in traffic?
It is a bad thing if your business model relies on drivers driving needless miles. The people regurgitating conspiracist nonsense have been suckered in.
This…
Feels like opposition is split in 3 ways: 1) conspiracy theorists who desperately need to go touch grass 2) selfish people who got theirs and don’t give a f about anyone else and 3) people who seem to truly believe that life is meant to be miserable, and anyone who disagrees is probably a moocher
Some people genuinely don't want to be able to see their neighbors--they want to live on multiple acres, in a natural-looking setting with no other buildings nearby (it's not actual nature, but it's good enough for them). That kind of lifestyle is difficult at scale in a walkable/bikable area.
That's a good point. I think folks who want a truly rural lifestyle are basically divorced from the 15-minute-city conversation. But there's also those folks who want something more like 2-5 acres in an exurban universe that probably have strong feelings on the topic.
most of north america's built form for the last 70 years has been devoted to driving everywhere for everything and as such, changing that to something else necessarily means less driving. people hate change even when that change is good for them.
I used to live in a bikeable (and walkable) city. In Europe. It's absolutely glorious. People here in the US have no idea what they're missing.
Nope. Even someone who wants acreage in the country can’t argue that it’s a bad thing. I just picked up a 50+ year old Raleigh mixte because although I ride bikes, I needed to get out of my car and do more errands on a bike.