Mega historical bust ups. A thread. 1. King John and Philip of France The powerful foreigner cynically helped put the incompetent, odious sex offender on the throne only to launch an all out war against him. John bankrupted his kingdom, fell out with everyone and shat himself to death
Henry II and Thomas Beckett must be in there
Yes, I’d certainly vote for that one. I also nominate Tony Blair and Gordon Brown
incredible work thank you
There's a film in there somewhere 🤔
It's a little more complicated than that. A lot of the money that John got from the English in taxes was to fund Richard's stupid Crusade and then to pay his ransom when he was imprisoned in Italy. Richard wasn't as good as he's made out to be, nor John as bad. Eleanor of Aquitaine on the other hand
Write the book Mr. Snow!
It’s like I’m looking into a crystal ball
2. Genghis Khan and Jamukha Oddly at exactly the same, at the other end of Eurasia, time the two ride or die Mongol blood brothers, who had ‘slept under the same blanket’ slid from alliance into rivalry, emnity & full scale war. Genghis ‘yes we’ Khan slaughtered his followers & executed him
3. Henry & Cardinal Wolsey The narcissistic, second generation arriviste needed someone to take care of business. Wolsey delivered, becoming so powerful he was a kind of shadow king. They fell out (that Boleyn girl rather than EV credits). Henry stripped his offices & wealth, hounding him to death
4. Octavian Caesar & Mark Anthony Found common cause overthrowing the republic. One had the name, the other took the fight to the enemy. They divided the world’s mightiest empire between them but it was not enough. Octavian sent subordinates to finish his increasingly erratic former friend.
5. Agamemnon and Achilles The supreme leader needed his ‘lion-hearted’ enforcer to deliver victory in their never ending, rapacious trumped up war against Troy. But they fell out over the spoils of war. Achilles took to his tent in a massive strop, decommissioning the dragon, if you like.
6. The Emperor of Mankind and Warmaster Horus “Lupercal” Immortal atheist genetically engineers a progeny of transhuman warrior philosophers. After being scattered by the ruinous powers of Chaos, some grow up with daddy issues and one starts a galaxy wide civil war against his father.
Narcissists cannot play nicely together. Never have.
I was thinking Henry VIII and Thomas Cromwell but Wolsey is a good one too.
You could add Henry VIII and Thomas Cromwell here, too.
Horrible pun. Extra like for that one.
Yes we 😂🤣😭
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Simon de Montfort and Henry the 3rd was pretty bad considering he was married to his sister.
You’ve not mentioned Sir Alex Ferguson v Magnier & McManus. The fall-out of which is still very relevant in the world of (only just, by the skin of the teeth) top level football. 😉
Love your work Dan…but John is much maligned. Probably the first king to speak English unlike his ‘heroic’ brother for whom he had to tax the entire population for Richard’s crusades. Excommunicated twice but the clergy wrote their own history. By the way I’d shit myself losing the Crown Jewels.
It's not ALL boys: Queen Anne and Sarah Churchill, Duchess of Marlborough.
Yes!! I also think Isabella of France and Edward II are worthy of a mention. 😅
Lenin/Tolstoy Macarthur/Truman
I think you meant Lenin/Trotsky.
Ha yes. Auto correct
I think you actually meant Stalin/Trotsky. Lenin was thinking of purging Stalin in favor of Trotsky just before he died.
Yes! So I got both wrong. Not Tolstoy and not Lenin. I will see myself out
Why does this tale sound so contemporary? 🤣
Obvious in retrospect, but I recently found out, from the mother of my French daughter in law, that John Lackland is called Jean Sansterre in French.
Warwick and Edward of York has to be up there
Agreed
Came here to say this. 😆
Thirded.
That one really hits the mark.
History definitely repeats itself.
Oodelalley!
Is Eleanor of Aquitaine part of this?
I can only hope and pray
