It's not that they're silent, I've read stuff like this a million times. Its just not going to be anywhere near as popular or successful as the stuff which is vitriolic and degrading to women. You can blame the algorithm or men's dark desires, but misogyny is vital to getting anywhere in this field!
Then again, it could indeed BE because you're unfanciable, completely useless as a human being, and minging. Y'know, like the author of this Monument To Minging. His writing leads me to believe he's just never gotten over the fact that his last name gets mistaken all the time for something else.
Yeah the fundamental issue Dunt has here is the same as some other thin analysis (‘a Joe rogan of the left’ etc) is that it looks at a singular thing without examining the context through which is was allowed or enabled to become that popular
Yes. Because it's a problem created, promoted, and perpetuated by misogyny itself. Boyoborous
Interestingly on MAN CLAN we investigated some case studies of redpill influencers who started off sounding a lot more like Ian here before they realised the play. Elliot Hulse used to tell his audience to not be afraid to be vulnerable with a woman and to try embracing their feminine side!
We could also look at something like the FreshandFit podcast, which has all sorts of different categories of advice for their audience - Money, Fitness, and Dating. By a mile their most popular content is the episodes where they interview models and influencers so they can degrade and insult them
Will we be getting more episodes in the future?
not in the works right now, but I'd really like to get back to it at some point!
We will all be looking out for it.
Elliot Hulse’s progression was so genuinely depressing. His early stuff sounds so happy and chill and now he’s a miserable asshole barking at the camera for an audience of other miserable assholes
(Loved ManClan btw! I was hoping for an episode about Jack Donovan’s whole deal, but maybe he’s a bit too niche)
I think his take's a bit naive but there's really not anything wrong with the way he looks!
Match this against "As a man, you have a golden destiny to rule the world, and any woman would be lucky to have you. The only reason anyone would reject you is if the Jews told them to."
I find this all pretty interesting but at the end of the day a guy has to have something to offer and an ugly man with nothing else to offer is going to be undesirable, and they're better off accepting there's parts of lived experience that they don't or won't qualify for instead of being delusional
The best thing the left can do for men is to keep the employed, with healthcare, and not homeless, which is also the ever thing the left can do for everyone it turns out and is independent of their desirability. Anyway here's specifically the USA doing South Korea numbers among young people
Since the focus is cishet men and women, I would say that the top complaint I hear is a drought or absence of attractive men, who aren't already in relationships. In these women's experiences, the majority of men are not desirable, offer them nothing of value. I'm glad they know, and choose better!
Yeah, who would have thought there would be a bigger market for "you deserve to get what you want and it's somebody else's fault when you don't" than "have you considered trying to be a better person?"?
Or even, “You can’t always get what you want.”
The best the left can offer young men is the truth, which is that rapidly changing technology has completely altered our society and economy over a very short time period, and that adjusting to this change is difficult, but we can do it by focusing on empathy, community, and the social safety net.
But the problem is that this sounds pretty lame and vague when the right is telling young men that all of their problems are the result of malevolent actors seeking to rob them of their future.
i can't not think of this genre as "dispatches from no-pussyville" thanks to michael hobbes
He set this whole thing up as clickbait. The bottom line of “not to everybody is going to be into you, you’ll find someone else, work on being capable instead of insecure” is pretty basic, but the author seems to deliberately invite outrage with the “get laid” line and then plays victim.
It's more like the right is trying to solely center a straight man's obsession with money and sex, while the left attempts to include that, while preaching it's fine to be that way, just don't exploit and destroy people to do it.
"In the future, there will be women you are for: beautiful, funny, mischievous women" is particularly entertaining Because, if you're the kind of dickhead who thinks you "deserve" a woman... quite possibly not, actually
Doesn’t everyone deserve to be loved and happy?
I'm going to defer to Zadie Smith: "Greeting cards routinely tell us everybody deserves love. No. Everybody deserves clean water. Not everybody deserves love all the time" If you're an asshole who treats women as objects to be acquired... no, you don't automatically deserve access to their bodies
What if you’re a lonely awkward 13 year old?
If you’re a lonely awkward 13 year old (I’ve been there) you wanting your desires to be met shouldn’t be prioritised over the wants or even safety of girls. Parents need to do a better job of giving their boys proper values.
I agree! But what they will mostly see in The Discourse is scolding from one side and ruthlessly designed propaganda and lies from the other. Guess which is more effective.
Progressives are at a disadvantage here, because they actually care about the wellbeing of the women involved. In the field of dating advice thats always going to look like 'scolding' compared to the rights message of "women are to be conquered and dominated and who cares how they feel about it"
Sure. Part of the answer to that might be pieces like the one that people are shitting on without reading.
Like, would you rather our hypothetical 13 year old boy wHo googles “how to get laid” discovers this article, or some of Tate’s output.
If I could actually write I’d write something about audience flattening on the internet
Pretty sure everyone in this conversation read it, at least I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable commenting on something I *hadn't* read fully
Yes I think so too. Which is refreshing
Do you think that your message will win them over or push them towards extremism?
I think my "message" - and indeed this exchange - is not the problem here
I’m not trying to have a go at you. The reaction to this rather milquetoast post has rather stunned me.
It was the framing of it for me - some of the actual content of the blog was relatively inoffensive. But he seemed absolutely intent on turning it into a Big Culture War stance, with no acknowledgement at all of the vast swathes of work being done in the area already
I think that unfortunately it already is a culture war issue, and one on which the goodies have largely let the baddies have the battlefield to themselves. I hope we can disagree with respect. Have a good day.
Then what you "deserve" are family, politicians and a cultural environment that care enough to do things like regulate the tech orgs and algorithms profiting from manosphere and conspiracy theory shite "Access to women" is neither the problem nor the solution
