just watched this netflix documentary on the oklahoma city bombing and once again i'm struck by how so many of the popular media takes on this event just avoid entirely the connection to organized white supremacism
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anyway, the country didn't take the white supremacist underground seriously after oklahoma city and now a bunch of tim mcveigh's run the country
jun 14, 2025, 9:17 pm • 7,755 1,147 • view
jun 14, 2025, 9:25 pm • 0 0 • view
What are we supposed to do if Republicans embraced them?
jun 15, 2025, 2:59 am • 0 0 • view
By design. They didn’t remove the root because they envisioned a day that that hatred would come in handy. Republicans played the long game.
jun 15, 2025, 3:16 am • 12 0 • view
Kathleen Belew wrote a great book about that and former military joining these movements in "Bring the War Home: The White Power Movement and Paramilitary America"
jun 15, 2025, 12:35 am • 2 1 • view
or they DID take it seriously and that's why they run the country now
jun 14, 2025, 9:20 pm • 2 0 • view
Did it go into McVeigh’s relationship with his pen-pal Gore Vidal?
jun 14, 2025, 9:22 pm • 0 0 • view
I think they took it plenty seriously, but didn't want to expose how many of the people with serious pull were either in bed with or entirely okay with them.
jun 14, 2025, 11:50 pm • 5 0 • view
With many behind a pulpit too !
jun 14, 2025, 9:57 pm • 1 0 • view
You know who I think about? That crazy ass Michelle Bachman whose type is now classed a moderate Republican
jun 14, 2025, 9:19 pm • 66 0 • view
It's really weird how they frame it as some random "lone wolf" situation even though he had multiple accomplices and loved The Turner Diaries so much he was known to talk about it quite frequently.
jun 14, 2025, 10:55 pm • 17 0 • view
For a minute, there were investigations and arrests of far right groups planning attacks, but then 9/11 happened and, well, we basically destroyed our own country and needed to recruit the right into the military instead. (Obvs very condensed summary!)
jun 14, 2025, 10:03 pm • 20 1 • view
As a family member of an OKC bombing survivor, you have no idea how crazy this has made me for basically my entire fucking life.
jun 14, 2025, 10:22 pm • 391 10 • view
I saw it at the time. I did not miss the many quiet little news-particles saying “oh, btw, also, Aryan Nation!” I haven’t forgotten. My sympathies for your & family’s trauma — and for the decades of gaslighting.
jun 14, 2025, 11:09 pm • 90 3 • view
The worst part was that one of my aunts was herself a right wing nut job, so my poor aunt who survived basically had to deal with her trying to seed conspiracy theories into her brain on top of surviving the bombing & losing 2/3rds of her coworkers including her boyfriend.
jun 14, 2025, 11:13 pm • 113 2 • view
Jesus. That sounds like a nightmare.
jun 14, 2025, 11:38 pm • 38 0 • view
The whole ballgame is going to be whether or not they take it seriously *now* - if/when democrats take back power. They’ve never had the balls to even call it out for what it is, let alone prosecute it with the extreme prejudice it deserves.
jun 14, 2025, 10:07 pm • 11 0 • view
I remember so many movies and TV shows in the 90s that seemed to reflect some rational fear of the threat; storylines on Law & Order, "Arlington Road," Amerícan Hístory X, that one with Ryan Gosling. Then post 9/11 the media portrayals of domestíc terrorísts were replaced by Islamophobia.
jun 15, 2025, 6:24 am • 11 0 • view
Michael Moore interviewed Terry Nichols' brother in Bowling for Columbine. Though I think he also says in the movie that he thought militia groups were just accountants having fun running around in the woods?
jun 15, 2025, 6:28 am • 8 1 • view
In order to take white supremacy seriously, they would have to acknowledge that at least 1/4th of this country is White Supremacist. 1/3rd of the country voted in a white supremacist, so even if they don't "support" it, it wasn't enough of a "deal breaker".
jun 14, 2025, 10:14 pm • 28 0 • view
Yup. And people forget how hard Republicans ran interference for right-wing terrorism in the immediate aftermath of Oklahoma City, and long before it. The last time any part of the Justice Department was willing to go after these guys was under Clinton, and Rs clobbered them for it.
jun 15, 2025, 12:36 am • 156 7 • view
Because Clinton helped black people?
jun 16, 2025, 5:01 pm • 0 0 • view
my guess as to why the JD was willing to go after right wingers more back then would be 1)Clinton appointing ppl like Janet Reno to positions of authority and 2)Cops being less ideologically Republican back then? They still weren't good by any means, but they're REAL party-line now.
jun 16, 2025, 9:13 pm • 0 0 • view
idk, I mean: we DID see huge growth in the black middle class under Clinton(I think? been awhile since I looked at the stats) but there was also the crime bill and allot of law-and-order bs. And then that black wealth got wiped out in the GFC (:T Id say he was a wash but thats better than most prez
jun 16, 2025, 9:09 pm • 0 0 • view
And Clinton was the first black president!
jun 16, 2025, 9:11 pm • 0 0 • view
still shaking my head at that -___-
jun 16, 2025, 9:14 pm • 0 0 • view
www.famous-trials.com/oklacity OKC bombing in April 1995 was well planned. Notta lone wolf operation
jun 15, 2025, 2:27 am • 22 3 • view
And he was VERY explicit about it! McVeigh made no attempt to hide his ideology, nor cover his tracks in that world.
jun 14, 2025, 9:35 pm • 53 1 • view
And even at that time, islamophobia had authorities initially think that it was caused by a Muslim terrorist. Edward Said (author of "Orientalism") was approached to see if he could offer his "insights" into these Muslim perps. It was ridiculous! [timestamp 28:23-31:03]: youtu.be/fVC8EYd_Z_g?...
jun 15, 2025, 2:32 am • 7 0 • view
I've been screaming this for years!
jun 15, 2025, 12:39 am • 1 0 • view
At what age?
jun 16, 2025, 3:55 pm • 0 0 • view
What? I was 40 years old at the time. I was in DC between tours and was lunching in the State Department cafeteria. I and my coworkers saw the coverage. Took us a minute to realize it wasn't Beirut or Nairobi or some other foreign country. I've seen terrorism first hand. That was terrorism.
jun 16, 2025, 4:09 pm • 2 0 • view
The USG is not afraid to slap the word 'terrorism' on things that happen in other countries or to those they deem as 'others' in our own country. But, oh no, never the American white man who plots and plans and kills on American soil because they don't want to offend anyone.
jun 16, 2025, 4:17 pm • 1 0 • view
To them, terrorism equals black or brown!
jun 16, 2025, 4:18 pm • 0 0 • view
Sadly true.
jun 16, 2025, 4:54 pm • 0 0 • view
🎯✅
jun 15, 2025, 12:35 am • 1 0 • view
M E R R I C K G A R L A N D
jun 14, 2025, 10:15 pm • 2 0 • view
Its crazy as the 70s were all about white supremacist Christian weapon stockpiling compounds. Covenant, the Sword and the Arm of the Lord - Encyclopedia of Arkansas share.google/DCMt9rpfvcWR...
jun 14, 2025, 10:26 pm • 6 0 • view
Not surprised what I guess they thought they were going to be the new knights Templar 🤔 for the supremacist twist No, there's all kind of nuts in this world🙏
jun 14, 2025, 10:33 pm • 1 0 • view
There was a lot of them, Ruby Ridge too. All mixed up with religio and white supremacy, and all their grandkids are now in government
jun 14, 2025, 10:45 pm • 5 0 • view
There is so much history that we will never know all of it so imagine how much has played into plus what is happening now we believe we know to some extent the cause of all of this craziness, yet there's so much more to it, it's amazing it didn't get here sooner well let's pray and move forward‼️🙏
jun 15, 2025, 3:30 am • 1 0 • view
I wonder if what tension there was between the feds and the right wing extremists kept the regular right a little centered. I grew up around the sentiment “the Montana freemen shouldn’t do that but they should also be left alone” and now the centrist take is like “the Clintons have a death squad”
jun 15, 2025, 2:37 pm • 5 0 • view
I saw something on PBS where an FBI agent said that 9/11 diverted attention and resources away from investigating those groups and that was a grievous mistake.
jun 14, 2025, 10:05 pm • 0 0 • view
It’s worse than that. During the Obama Administration, the FBI, not exactly the most “woke” institution, conducted studies on the infiltration of Law Enforcement and the Military by White Supremacists, began investigations and recommended the Government enact laws to fight the problem. But the GOP
jun 14, 2025, 10:29 pm • 18 1 • view
controlled Congress cancelled the studies and mandated the FBI focus its attention elsewhere. Making claims that it “wasn’t actually a ‘problem’.” Probably too close to home with their donors and voter base.
jun 14, 2025, 10:30 pm • 16 1 • view
BINGO!
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Yup www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2...
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jun 14, 2025, 11:50 pm • 6 0 • view
thank. you. been saying this for awhile as an Oklahoman.
jun 15, 2025, 5:55 am • 1 0 • view
Wondering when people are going to start asking the Trump administration about moving all those agents from these departments to immigration enforcement And also that 22-year-old moron they put in charge...
jun 14, 2025, 9:33 pm • 1 0 • view
Been watching the Weird Little Guys podcast, and 90% of my takeaways from that show are that Americans have gone out of their way to ignore at the popular level, and under-prosecute/investigate at an official level the massive and violent threat organized white supremacy is in this country.
jun 15, 2025, 11:14 am • 150 6 • view
So glad we focused that energy on busting the heads of and vilifying peaceful protestors and social justice organizations instead. It's worked out super well for everybody. (That is sarcasm, lol)
jun 15, 2025, 11:14 am • 71 0 • view
This is a podcast that's worth listening to. @vermontgmg.bsky.social longshadowpodcast.com/podcasts/ris...
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Bingo
jun 14, 2025, 9:29 pm • 2 0 • view
Yep
jun 15, 2025, 1:41 pm • 1 0 • view
⬆️ 100% -if the democracy survives, there must be appropriate consequences: prison, assets stripped, property seized- no fucking wealth to pass on to their kids.. real political change across the board too: term limits for all incl judges, get rid of gerrymandering, electoral college, cit. united…
jun 15, 2025, 8:45 am • 9 2 • view
The country ignored white militia groups for many years. They had a heavy presence in upstate New York.
jun 14, 2025, 10:22 pm • 6 0 • view
jun 14, 2025, 9:39 pm • 4 0 • view
Just last week in the Pacific NW: Leading to him getting involved in online chat groups, including one linked to the white supremacist group 764, which is known for child exploitation and daring people to do drastic things like mass shootings. www.kptv.com/2025/06/07/d...
jun 15, 2025, 1:56 am • 7 1 • view
www.fbi.gov/contact-us/f...
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I oppose capital punishment but I cannot deny the sense of relief I had when McVeigh was no more. And now we have his evolved form in Stephen Miller.
jun 14, 2025, 9:23 pm • 19 0 • view
“Evolved.”
jun 15, 2025, 11:59 pm • 2 0 • view
We watched the movie "The Order" a couple nights ago and it made me think so much of this book I read a few years back...
jun 15, 2025, 6:45 am • 23 3 • view
I watched it several weeks ago. Afterwards, I told my husband that when talking to maga I’d say “okay Timothy Mcveigh” (play on okay boomer).
jun 14, 2025, 11:21 pm • 2 0 • view
The GOP tailored it’s message to appeal to them via targeted Facebook ads
jun 15, 2025, 2:19 am • 5 0 • view
Hell, we didn’t take white supremacists seriously enough to let HUAC investigate them in the 1940s and 50s.
jun 15, 2025, 11:49 am • 11 0 • view
And we caved to them during reconstruction after the Civil War...
jun 15, 2025, 1:21 pm • 8 0 • view
There's the time before Waco and the time after Waco.
jun 14, 2025, 9:42 pm • 4 0 • view
Stealth advertising your podcast co-hosts book, that’s true friendship
jun 14, 2025, 9:33 pm • 0 0 • view
Little assassins everywhere, it would seem.
jun 15, 2025, 1:15 am • 0 0 • view
They took it not so seriously that the white supremacist underground is no longer underground. They're out there for all the world to see ... starting with the White House.
jun 14, 2025, 9:33 pm • 35 3 • view
just made a lil timeline about Columbine and too fucking true
jun 16, 2025, 2:30 am • 3 0 • view
What’s sad is that 30 years later, the USA has a POTUS that Timothy McVeigh would have supported.
jun 14, 2025, 10:47 pm • 7 0 • view
Conservatives went after Janet Reno so hard after WACO that it derailed a lot of momentum that the justice dept had regarding militia groups
jun 14, 2025, 11:08 pm • 19 0 • view
And powerful conservative FL Dem good ol’ boys went after her in a whisper campaign (Waco, sexual orientation??s) when she ran in the Dem primary for governor. The successful, but boring, white male lawyer they ran against her eventually lost to Jeb Bush, setting up FL GOP to dominate for decades.
jun 15, 2025, 2:21 am • 2 0 • view
Makes you think, especially since Merrick Garland prosecuted that one, as well.
jun 15, 2025, 1:01 am • 4 1 • view
Merrick Garland may not be a bad person, but he was a waste for Democrats.
jun 16, 2025, 12:46 am • 1 0 • view
He was not prepared to do all that the moment required
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I do not disagree.
jun 14, 2025, 9:25 pm • 0 0 • view
The FBI was working on it after the Oklahoma City bombing. I remember seeing a 60 Minutes segment on it circa 2000 about the White Supremacy networks, The Turner Diaries, McVeigh's background, etc. They were taking it seriously, but then 9/11 happened and everything went into all that.
jun 15, 2025, 12:30 am • 5 0 • view
i live in okc, and about 18 months ago i saw a patriot front flyer on the stoplight across the street from the memorial. it felt like seeing someone spit on the graves of the people who died.
jun 15, 2025, 12:49 am • 6 0 • view
Yup. I remember Gore Vidal's take on it after his interview with McVeigh before he was executed. No way in hell he did it alone and the investigation seemed to be intentionally narrowed and then closed down once they had their guy.
jun 14, 2025, 10:00 pm • 9 0 • view
We know he didn't do it alone. Terry Nichols is rotting away in a maximum security prison in CO. Two others that knew about the attack in advance and helped him scout out the building testified against him, went to prison for a bit, and are now in WITSEC.
jun 14, 2025, 11:00 pm • 7 0 • view
Because Merrick Garland refused to make the connection between the underground white nationalist movement and McVeigh. He’s always been spineless.
jun 14, 2025, 9:59 pm • 24 0 • view
Yep!
jun 14, 2025, 10:17 pm • 10 0 • view
Toobin also writes a lot about this in his (excellent) Homegrown
jun 14, 2025, 10:18 pm • 3 0 • view
hawley specifically was high profile after okc
jun 14, 2025, 9:31 pm • 13 0 • view
I have never forgotten that DHS tried to issue a report on the rise of right wing domestic extremism in 2009 and Republicans threw a hissy fit until Sec. Napolitano withdrew it.
jun 14, 2025, 10:11 pm • 17 0 • view
I strongly recommend @justinling.ca ‘s podcast series on rightwing radio, which gets into this point in excellent detail.
jun 14, 2025, 9:50 pm • 5 1 • view
100%
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The American Experience episode on it is very good as well
jun 14, 2025, 9:29 pm • 1 0 • view
That reminds me, we need to close the gun show loophole just to shut down that particular fascist breeding ground.
jun 14, 2025, 9:25 pm • 19 1 • view
good luck with that.
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jun 14, 2025, 9:35 pm • 9 3 • view
Hey, remember just after Obama's election when the GOP forced DHS to eat their report on white supremecy-driven domestic terrorism? Coll cool cool. www.nytimes.com/2019/08/11/u...
jun 15, 2025, 1:09 am • 43 8 • view
At the time, I think I saw one story about TV wanting to start a race war or whatever. Why do these assholes want to start race wars? Dude, just punch yourself in the face and call it a day.
jun 15, 2025, 12:20 am • 2 0 • view
Because insignificant underachieving dumb white guys think POC took their chances at high paying jobs, fortune, maybe fame. Instead of betting their own shortcomings like intelligent folk, they fall back on blame and hatred
jun 15, 2025, 1:17 am • 0 0 • view
The government, when run by competent leaders, has been afraid of another Waco. As it turns out, what happened at Waco was far from the worst possible outcome.
jun 14, 2025, 9:29 pm • 8 0 • view
Nor the serious infiltration of our military and LE - all the ones who decried the bombing … now look at them and supermajority red legislature
jun 14, 2025, 9:38 pm • 21 4 • view
9/11 happened and instead of taking it for what it was, we gave up our rights (Patriot Act), created abominations (DHS, TSA), and became that much more paranoid as a country.
jun 14, 2025, 9:22 pm • 16 1 • view
The prosecutor (Merrick Garland) deliberately developed a case of two people who set off a bomb and downplayed almost all the connection to the far right. No one should be surprised the way he acted in the Department of Justice
jun 14, 2025, 9:19 pm • 149 11 • view
Which is maddening because Timothy McVeigh LOVED The Turner Diaries. It was his favorite book and he talked about it constantly.
jun 14, 2025, 11:06 pm • 14 0 • view
But the FBI built a domestic terrorism unit that specifically targeted these groups. It was decimated by Bush following 9/11. Finally eliminated by Trump his first term.
jun 15, 2025, 12:25 am • 18 2 • view
but that wasn't part of the prosecution of McVeigh which Merrick kept almost completely removed from right wing power groups
jun 15, 2025, 3:23 am • 6 0 • view
I get it. All I'm saying is we didn't sweep it under the rug. (I used the wrong name for it, we had a unit for investigating militias.)
jun 15, 2025, 3:50 am • 5 0 • view
Did Merrick Garland fail to dig deeper in his prosecution of McVeigh?
jun 14, 2025, 9:32 pm • 3 0 • view
I followed what was going on with that pretty closely; it wasn’t that he didn’t dig deeper. There was plenty of info uncovered—he just didn’t use it. At the time, I thought it was because he wanted to make sure McVeigh was convicted & thought an emphasis on motive might hurt, not help his case.
jun 15, 2025, 4:26 pm • 1 0 • view
… this was just a couple of years after Waco, after all. Garland’s recent caution isn’t new, including the unwillingness to call out white supremacy for what it is.
jun 15, 2025, 4:31 pm • 0 0 • view
Thanks for the context. IIRC, there were aggressive civil actions against white supremacists like SPLC vs Aryan Nation. I get that as a prosecutor, you need to win your cases, but you can also be creative. I don’t think Garland ever was.
jun 15, 2025, 4:42 pm • 1 0 • view
May not be fair to put it all on Garland. He was answering to Reno, who was weakened after Waco.
jun 15, 2025, 4:45 pm • 1 0 • view
That is because white supremacy reaffirms rather than challenges existing hierarchies. Most people in power are not afraid of it.
jun 15, 2025, 3:00 am • 2 0 • view
The way the media covered it that day (I was doing my student teaching and we had the coverage on the TVs the rest of the day) was focused on "Islamic terror". When it turned out to be white supremacists, you could tell that the media didn't care any longer.
jun 14, 2025, 9:54 pm • 1 0 • view
That feel when they gave you lethal injection and now people of your ilk get at least one term in the House of Representatives
jun 14, 2025, 9:39 pm • 7 0 • view
Yep. This.
jun 14, 2025, 9:18 pm • 91 0 • view
Why would they? They are their 'base' after all.
jun 15, 2025, 6:30 am • 2 0 • view
McVeigh was such a patriot that he bombed a daycare. Never forget Baylee Almon and the other kids that evil man killed.
jun 14, 2025, 9:27 pm • 36 1 • view
Ffs
jun 14, 2025, 10:07 pm • 0 0 • view
After Oklahoma City! They still didn’t take White Supremacist seriously after the fucking Civil War!
jun 15, 2025, 1:19 am • 17 0 • view
That’s what I was thinking. And now, they’re bring back Confederate monuments, deputizing Proud Boys, and weaponizing anti-discrimination laws.
jun 15, 2025, 12:42 pm • 2 0 • view
We didn’t take the Confederacy seriously after the Civil War. They never went away, they simply re-branded.
jun 14, 2025, 9:39 pm • 64 6 • view
No time like the present to finish the job.
jun 15, 2025, 5:04 am • 0 0 • view
“We call ourselves Republicans. . . “
jun 15, 2025, 1:16 am • 5 0 • view
Exactly, which is why they're completely gutting the federal offices that prevent violent extremism and targeted violence, such as today's attacks In MN. Absolutely terrifying.
jun 14, 2025, 9:29 pm • 14 0 • view
Republicans got insanely mad about any possible follow-up and that was the end of it. Lesson absolutely not learned
jun 15, 2025, 6:00 am • 2 0 • view
Justice Department has always been too spineless to do exactly this.
jun 14, 2025, 10:38 pm • 2 0 • view
From the Margins to the Mainstream
jun 14, 2025, 9:59 pm • 0 0 • view
They went underground & wasn't enough done to sniff them out.
jun 14, 2025, 10:41 pm • 0 0 • view
True dat
jun 15, 2025, 1:00 am • 0 0 • view
I think I've spent every year since Ferguson learning more and more how true this is.
jun 14, 2025, 9:30 pm • 6 0 • view
America is great at whackamole. Not great at root cause analysis. Case in point: the Iraqi war.
jun 14, 2025, 9:54 pm • 1 0 • view
Nor did Obama take the Bundy Ranch fiasco seriously enough. The minute those jackasses started pointing rifles at Federal agents, they should've been taken out immediately. That was the start of the emboldening of the right. They knew what they could get away with.
jun 14, 2025, 9:52 pm • 27 1 • view
amen to that analysis
jun 14, 2025, 9:24 pm • 0 0 • view
Great points. Too often the reasons for behavior are neglected and we don't learn what we might be able to do to prevent things from happening again.
jun 14, 2025, 9:20 pm • 1 0 • view
The country didn't take the white supremacist underground seriously after the failure of reconstruction and now a bunch of confederates run the country*
jun 14, 2025, 10:56 pm • 8 0 • view
They don’t want to interact with how serious in purpose these murderers can be, but how utterly unserious they are intellectually. The Turner Diaries are below shitlit.
jun 14, 2025, 9:30 pm • 4 0 • view
Imo, how this Admin won the White House is much more complicated than attribution to a white supremacist movement. It is multi-factorial and until we can recognize that, we have little hope of a return to sensible policies.
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thinking of a jeff bridges movie that was made afterwards to capitalize on the bombing where the villain is part of a network of right wing domestic terrorists who frame innocent people for anti-government attacks and make them out to be lone wolves
jun 14, 2025, 9:42 pm • 2 0 • view
Arlington Road?
jun 16, 2025, 12:04 pm • 1 0 • view
That says to me to they think Timothy McVeigh was just an ordinary guy with ordinary beliefs who was pushed just a teeny-tiny bit over the line.
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Just an average American guy 😐
jun 14, 2025, 10:07 pm • 3 0 • view
Because this has been in the works since the 70s, it has been a concerted, strategic and patient effort, born on the backs of unwitting white participants. Joe and Mary Suburbanite think they’re actually Christians, immigrants are the devil and black people are ‘so angry all the time’ for no reason.
jun 15, 2025, 3:48 am • 7 0 • view
We lost two dear friends in this bombing. The kindest best humans you could ever meet. The Memorial park is well done.
jun 15, 2025, 12:44 pm • 6 0 • view
That show was horrifying!
jun 14, 2025, 9:59 pm • 1 0 • view
It’s almost like they have a plan in place to be complicit 🤔
jun 14, 2025, 10:57 pm • 1 0 • view
Just like Stephen paddock told anyone and everyone who would listen about his feelings about Ruby ridge and Waco and general right wing anti government views, but somehow the motive for the Las Vegas shooting is "still a mystery."
jun 14, 2025, 9:21 pm • 17 2 • view
One would need to be BLIND DEAF and IGNORANT to overlook!
jun 14, 2025, 9:32 pm • 1 0 • view
White supremacy is the FIRST thing anyone notices!
jun 14, 2025, 10:09 pm • 3 0 • view
@jamellebouie.net if you haven’t seen them already, on Hulu, there was 2 miniseries on the Waco siege and followed up by the Koreah prequel/sequel. It was excellent.
jun 14, 2025, 9:42 pm • 1 1 • view
💯there is a direct line from this to MAGA. It’s continuously called out as our biggest threat and the GOP suppresses it, won’t address it. www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019...
jun 15, 2025, 2:32 pm • 44 5 • view
White supremacists are a bunch of whiny adults who want special privileges just for being white. They need to grow the fuck up or get out of the way. Humanity has places to go and cannot afford for their bullshit to get in the way.
jun 15, 2025, 5:52 pm • 10 0 • view
Well, yeah. The media knows their audience. 2/3 of Oklahomans lean towards white supremacy. Timothy McVeigh was relatable as an anti-establishment hero who challenged the govt that sieged David Koresh's cult in Waco, TX (IMO, a massive misstep by then AG Janet Reno).
jun 14, 2025, 11:50 pm • 1 0 • view
What else could possibly happen, regarding Waco? Forever blockade? I don't know the right thing to do on that one. Things got out of hand dealing with a crazy cult, fast!
jun 15, 2025, 9:07 am • 1 0 • view
I'm no bible-thumper, but hindsight is 20/20. It's best to leave religious sects alone. Internal power struggles invariably cause small sects to collapse or the group to splinter and part ways. No outside help needed. Separation of church & state. Govt must play no part in it.
jun 15, 2025, 10:09 pm • 0 0 • view
Watching LA right now… its the LE that are the issue. Too filled with testosterone rage!!! Itchy trigger fingers
jun 15, 2025, 6:52 pm • 0 0 • view
i .. did not know. thanks, will check that out
jun 15, 2025, 1:02 am • 1 0 • view
he literally had pages from the Tuner Diaries in his car
jun 14, 2025, 9:17 pm • 4 0 • view
That’s why we are going through what we are going through today.
jun 14, 2025, 11:45 pm • 0 0 • view
When the Ammon Bundy, who organized the Occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, was not found guilty, I had a premonition that our country was headed in a dark, dark direction. This event, and its denouement, are equally prophetic to Ok bombing: another signpost to 🇺🇸disintegration.
jun 14, 2025, 10:53 pm • 15 3 • view
It still astonishes me that a few people I knew at the time supported Bundy. I wish I could remember the name, but there was a good podcast series that covered the Bundys that’s worth listening to.
jun 15, 2025, 2:06 am • 5 1 • view
Yikes! That would be freaky to know folks who supported him. Btw, if you remember the podcast, I'd love to know the title.🙏
jun 15, 2025, 3:03 am • 4 0 • view
I just did some looking and the one I listened to was called Bundyville. There’s a second season as well.
jun 15, 2025, 3:23 am • 4 0 • view
And that was an ENORMOUS and integral part of the problem.
jun 14, 2025, 9:38 pm • 5 1 • view
Thought slime on YouTube has a decent video about the turner diaries and how it’s the modern white supremacist Bible especially in the 90s it was huge Especially in prison gang circles, Neo Nazi/white supremacy groups out in the world as well etc etc Turner diaries played a massive role for sure
jun 15, 2025, 3:38 am • 2 0 • view
Have you listened to LongShadows? The media REALLY is avoiding the truth
jun 14, 2025, 9:50 pm • 0 0 • view
I wonder if the doco mentions Gore Vidal’s admiration for McVeigh. Vidal refer to him as “today’s Paul Revere” at some stage
jun 14, 2025, 9:39 pm • 4 1 • view
They've always let Domestic Terrorism slide to protect the "precious" white man. It's disgusting.
jun 15, 2025, 1:12 am • 1 0 • view
Yes this. Read Kathleen Belew work and she’s on it.
jun 15, 2025, 1:40 am • 1 0 • view
As I remember it, we were aware that those guys were white supremacists. I thought it was a one-off, though, and not a bellwether of something more deeply evil in this country’s foundations, coming back to try to destroy us.
jun 14, 2025, 9:34 pm • 4 0 • view
You need to listen to @socialistdogmom.bsky.social podcast, it’s about this!
jun 15, 2025, 1:34 am • 3 0 • view
Omg! I the parallels are frightening!
jun 14, 2025, 11:31 pm • 4 0 • view
I was 5 when that happened. We lived in Tulsa then. First major event I remember. We have a ton of family in OKC and I remember my mom crying because she couldn't reach some people. But everyone we knew survived. Very tragic loss.
jun 14, 2025, 9:40 pm • 4 1 • view
and evangelical christianity
jun 15, 2025, 3:01 pm • 7 0 • view
But now you're just being redundant 😏
jun 15, 2025, 10:09 pm • 0 0 • view
🤫🤫🤫🤫…lets not remind them…
jun 15, 2025, 4:05 am • 1 0 • view
Because mirrors are scary
jun 15, 2025, 7:21 pm • 6 0 • view
Yep…amazing what they only want us to know… I’ve become a little more skeptical of the news!
jun 14, 2025, 10:26 pm • 1 0 • view
I watch it for local, and weather. It is backwards looking and "clickbait" otherwise.
jun 15, 2025, 9:10 am • 0 0 • view
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jun 16, 2025, 8:20 pm • 0 0 • view
THERE WERE SEVERAL FEDERAL LAWS PASSED AFTER THAT THAT RESTRICTED OUR RIGHTS. IF YOU DEPOSIT A LARGE SUM OF MONEY A BANK MUST REPORT YOU. THERE WERE OTHERS I CAN'T RECALL
jun 14, 2025, 10:23 pm • 2 0 • view
I don't know what what his true motivations were, I do believe white privilege exists. And two different worlds, I believe I would be very angry with some of the treatment. Friends in the 80s have calmed me and I just received a criminal citation.
jun 14, 2025, 10:17 pm • 1 0 • view
"The line from the Waco siege to the Oklahoma City bombing to Trump’s Waco speech is a circle. McVeigh and Nichols were part of a network of domestic terrorists that the federal government did not investigate, one that remains active today." sarahkendzior.substack.com/p/from-oklah...
jun 14, 2025, 9:38 pm • 21 1 • view
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jun 14, 2025, 11:05 pm • 2 0 • view
Same with Manson scrambling to improvise the start of a race war off his idiots murdering the Tates because they went to the wrong house.
jun 16, 2025, 5:13 am • 1 0 • view
It’s like it is like they think that they have to sugarcoat everything to be palatable by the American people. Let’s be direct and tell it like it is! If that means we’re gonna drop a few F bombs so be it!
jun 14, 2025, 9:24 pm • 3 0 • view
It's cause they love white supremacy
jun 14, 2025, 9:54 pm • 7 0 • view
If I recall correctly, this was especially true of Republicans. When white supremacist/militia ranks shot up after Obama's election (go figure) - I believe the Republicans tried to block a report that detailed this demo/threat for fear of looking partisan...
jun 14, 2025, 10:41 pm • 2 1 • view
The PBS doc is a little better. It talks about The Aryan Nation, Bob Matthews/The Order, Alan Berg's murder, Ruby Ridge, and Waco. McVeigh was at the Ruby Ridge standoff and protested at Waco. With the exception of Waco, it also talks about the influence that the Turner Diaries had on all of it.
jun 14, 2025, 10:33 pm • 6 1 • view
📌 Thanks. Going to check it out.
jun 14, 2025, 11:22 pm • 2 0 • view
Remember when the FBI used to investigate and arrest domestic terrorists. Now they are led by one.
jun 14, 2025, 9:18 pm • 64 10 • view
Cowards.
jun 14, 2025, 9:45 pm • 1 0 • view
Just like the avoidance of reporting on white supremacist domestic terrorist organizations over the past 50 years.
jun 14, 2025, 10:27 pm • 3 0 • view
I don’t know if you remember, but I remember when then Senator Orrin Hatch VERY quickly tried to blame Muslims for that attack. Basically, the default with the GOP is that all bad things come from anyone but the viscous and violent white guys who are their core base.
jun 15, 2025, 12:10 am • 1 0 • view
Read the Toobin book Homegrown that came out a few years ago. Details a lot of it. Turner Diaries loom large as well.
jun 14, 2025, 9:35 pm • 1 0 • view
just watched this netflix documentary on the oklahoma city bombing & once again i'm struck by how so many of the popular media takes on this event just avoid entirely the connection to organized white supremacism --- They don't dare to enrage Don the Con & his gang. That is the reason.
jun 14, 2025, 10:03 pm • 4 1 • view
The media is sitting in the orange blimp’s stinky back pocket
jun 14, 2025, 10:12 pm • 5 0 • view
@mehdirhasan.bsky.social @kathleenbelew.bsky.social I met a man back in the '80s who was deep in this: Aryan Nation, Christian Identity Church ("we have a million tax resisters!"), robbing banks to pay for OKC. he's in witness protection now, but I think about him every day. ORGANIZED? hell, yeah!
jun 15, 2025, 3:18 am • 1 0 • view
I watched it recently. What struck me was how everyone basically trusted & wanted to cooperate with the government investigators. Today I think this would be vastly different.
jun 14, 2025, 9:30 pm • 1 0 • view
It was crazy in real time. The following morning (in Sacramento) my alarm clock went off and the local DJ was arguing with callers pissed at him for not saying the bombers were Arabs. He kept saying Look, we don't know who did this yet and we shouldn't jump to conclusions
jun 14, 2025, 9:18 pm • 2 0 • view
I’m must hoping Trump doesn’t pardon terry nichols
jun 15, 2025, 3:03 pm • 0 0 • view
The museum/memorial is a little like that too. I was there last month and sort of struck by how much McVeigh was portrayed as a "lone wolf."
jun 14, 2025, 9:37 pm • 13 3 • view
The roots of #January6th clearly run back to #OKC. That's why I freak out every year on April 19.
jun 14, 2025, 11:07 pm • 3 1 • view
www.pbs.org/wgbh/america... PBS sure didn't
jun 14, 2025, 9:15 pm • 108 11 • view
I think that doc was the first time I remember learning about the AN/WS aspect. I was in my early 20s when it happened and watched some of the early coverage, but not the trials. I knew it was survivalist anti-govt stuff, but I was naive to the connx btw that stuff and WS in general.
jun 14, 2025, 9:48 pm • 45 4 • view
The 70s were big on white supremacist religious compounds Covenant, the Sword and the Arm of the Lord - Encyclopedia of Arkansas share.google/DCMt9rpfvcWR...
jun 14, 2025, 10:24 pm • 1 0 • view
There was a definite "Wait a minute, what? How did I not know that?" moment I have learned a lot since 2016
jun 14, 2025, 10:02 pm • 30 2 • view
A second documentary from PBS that I believe aired around the same time works well as a complementary piece: www.pbs.org/wgbh/america...
jun 14, 2025, 10:14 pm • 54 4 • view
The 70s were about white supremacy compounds. Covenant, the Sword and the Arm of the Lord - Encyclopedia of Arkansas share.google/DCMt9rpfvcWR...
jun 14, 2025, 10:22 pm • 27 2 • view
Thanks for the link! I've been making up for lost time by falling into internet holes to learn the stuff I didn't know/pay attention to before.
jun 14, 2025, 10:34 pm • 10 0 • view
This has haunted me since the early 70s when I remember watching on the news the tanks entering the compounds.
jun 14, 2025, 10:44 pm • 9 1 • view
I'm glad they went in: "thirty gallons of potassium cyanide" "poison the water supply of several major cities" Terrifying!
jun 14, 2025, 11:03 pm • 10 1 • view
They're crazy and now we slept while they entered our government
jun 15, 2025, 12:32 am • 5 1 • view
Thank you! I've fallen into several documentary/wikipedia holes over the last few years, since I started paying more attention, every time I have one of those "How did I not know that?" moments. And admittedly, this is one of those events I never understood well.
jun 14, 2025, 10:29 pm • 1 0 • view
Me too, but my excuse was that I was too young to know much about it since I was born in 1983. Living through it but not old enough to have any understanding. The PBS documentary series "POV," "Independent Lens," and "American Experience" guarantee great works every year.
jun 14, 2025, 10:33 pm • 1 0 • view
Yeah, that Ruby Ridge one is really good. Information the media leaves/left out, I would venture to guess that most people would learn something new from watching it.
jun 14, 2025, 10:58 pm • 2 0 • view
There was some CNN decades retrospective documentary series I saw a few years ago, and one of the episodes about the 90s had a whole section dedicated to the 90s militia stuff Ruby Ridge, Waco, OKC Crazy stuff
jun 15, 2025, 5:02 am • 2 0 • view
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jun 14, 2025, 9:26 pm • 2 0 • view
It's interesting because at the time and in the years subsequent to the OKC Bombing, the FBI released plenty of reports on domestic terrorism and white supremecist groups.
jun 15, 2025, 6:08 pm • 7 0 • view
They did, and the advent of the internet was just starting to spread the word about how many groups existed. Before then, white America could probably only name the KKK and Neo Nazis, having seen news reports. KKK was always taught in school, & Punk brought more attn to NN's by condemning them
jun 16, 2025, 5:44 am • 1 0 • view
I’ve been meaning to watch this. The government’s failed sedition cases against groups like the CSA and ZOG in the 80s had horrifying ramifications.
jun 14, 2025, 9:21 pm • 2 0 • view
Also not deeply analyzed is the radicalization of returning gulf war veterans as part of the whole toxic mix of white supremacy, christian nationalism and turner diaries fantasy that seems so essential for trumpism
jun 14, 2025, 9:27 pm • 13 2 • view
And how important it is to have competent people in the FBI, DOJ and HHS. Completely absent now. We are sitting ducks with these 'fools from FOX' running our country.
jun 15, 2025, 1:08 am • 16 2 • view
Competent and willing to go after white people for race crimes
jun 15, 2025, 3:15 am • 7 0 • view
We were almost there.
jun 15, 2025, 3:19 am • 2 0 • view
Right?!
jun 15, 2025, 12:44 am • 0 0 • view
Because they can’t comprehend how terrorist organizations have splinter cells because the ideology builds its own franchise in radicalized minds.
jun 14, 2025, 9:30 pm • 1 0 • view
I just watched it last night. It makes me wonder what else would have been avoided if there was more accountability then.
jun 14, 2025, 10:14 pm • 2 0 • view
And 30+ years later the shame shit is still going on everywhere.
jun 15, 2025, 3:33 am • 3 0 • view
Even NPR, who's under attack for funding by the administration, is soft selling the No Kings demonstrations across the US; saying there were "dozens" of events... They're scared.
jun 15, 2025, 4:44 pm • 8 0 • view
Same with Ruby Ridge. We shouldn't have molly coddled these gangs. Understatement, I know...
jun 15, 2025, 1:42 am • 18 0 • view
Because they're part of an organized propaganda campaign. The heads of those companies work in tandem with fascists and our government to censor content such that people don't realize what they're doing until it's too late. It seems to have worked.
jun 14, 2025, 9:37 pm • 5 0 • view
popular media ... institutionalized racism/fascism; "Pay no attention to the death camp behind the curtain".
jun 15, 2025, 5:56 pm • 3 0 • view
I was there, ( not in the building) lost friends, thought I lost my kids (the school bus was late at arriving at the building). The glossing over the fact that McVeigh was a white supremacist was infuriating!!
jun 15, 2025, 2:55 am • 6 0 • view
rachel maddow did a deep-dive series on mcveigh many years ago that was really good on that front
jun 14, 2025, 9:32 pm • 3 1 • view
From the Order, to Ruby Ridge to Waco…all backed by WS Idioliogly.
jun 14, 2025, 11:22 pm • 6 0 • view
bsky.app/profile/anit...
jun 16, 2025, 8:05 pm • 1 0 • view
Last Podcast on the Left did a series on this, and they talk about that connection extensively.
jun 14, 2025, 9:27 pm • 3 0 • view
We visited the Oklahoma City bombing memorial a few years ago - I can tell you there they don't shade the connection to white supremacy extremism.
jun 14, 2025, 11:21 pm • 3 0 • view
Yes!!!!
jun 15, 2025, 1:36 am • 1 0 • view
The MSM is owned by white supremacists upholding their status
jun 15, 2025, 1:51 pm • 3 0 • view
That's true. It's maddening.
jun 14, 2025, 9:54 pm • 1 0 • view
At the time, I remember the issue of those militia groups was talked about a LOT. The whole idea of these seemingly random militias organized around potential race wars, or government overreach, or end times was considered very threatening to our democracy. I remember the concerns.
jun 15, 2025, 1:56 am • 9 0 • view
Netflix documentaries are mostly terrible.
jun 15, 2025, 1:41 pm • 2 0 • view
We watched it a couple of weeks ago. Racism can be tied pretty much to so many horrible events in history.
jun 14, 2025, 9:59 pm • 3 0 • view
I remember when the news report came out. I was sitting in my car with two little kids at a public library in Austin,TX. The NPR announcer mentioned something about “Arab terrorists” and in the moment I thought “why would they drive all the way to OKC?” It was pretty obvious what kind of guy would.
jun 14, 2025, 9:39 pm • 11 1 • view
Right?!
jun 14, 2025, 10:27 pm • 1 0 • view
I lived through it. It’s a source of PTSD for every person of my age and older that watched the entirety of it unfold before us. Our school shook when it happened. Our teachers were grouped together, hugging and crying. We watched toddlers and babies being pulled from the rubble.
jun 14, 2025, 10:11 pm • 10 1 • view
And people wonder why I condemn the slaughter of children in Gaza. I’ve seen what happens to babies who get murdered by adults seeking revenge.
jun 14, 2025, 10:13 pm • 0 0 • view
The same type of people that did the Murrah Bombing are the EXACT SAME that worship Trump.
jun 14, 2025, 10:11 pm • 11 1 • view
The tv series did good on that.
jun 15, 2025, 4:50 am • 1 0 • view
Exactly
jun 14, 2025, 10:10 pm • 1 0 • view
jun 15, 2025, 3:16 am • 76 2 • view
I'd argue the Enlightenment created racism to justify slavery because Christianity's take failed. The corrupt pope argued it could be a tool to convert people but obviously if your slaves converted that hurt the bottom line. So racism was created to find a "reason" slavery was justified.
jun 15, 2025, 4:03 am • 14 0 • view
I’d argue Rome had its own set of race issues way before any Christian’s were around.
jun 15, 2025, 6:16 am • 8 0 • view
A more potent form of racism was created by the Catholic Church by sending bishops on slave ships to ‘save their souls’. People began saying their Christian values were in conflict, but with some lies about salvation it all went away and White Nationalism was born
jun 15, 2025, 10:33 am • 1 0 • view
Yeah, there's ample room to go around and define of racism. Just commenting on the creation of ideologies to manufacture consent goes far back beyond modern day. To make money, the othering had to happen at the top level. Certainly, protestanism did nothing to stop it.
jun 15, 2025, 10:42 am • 3 0 • view
💯
jun 15, 2025, 8:27 am • 0 0 • view
Even the memorial and museum does. When I was there, it said the connection was unfounded and that mcveigh called the guy in the supremacist city but that was it
jun 15, 2025, 3:29 am • 1 0 • view
Rightwing Terrorism is so prevalent in our history/present that we can't even see it for what it is ...and heaven forbid it'll ever be CALLED Terrorism
jun 15, 2025, 1:56 am • 28 1 • view
I called it terrorism. Very loudly yesterday during our protest. They're fkn nazis.
jun 15, 2025, 3:16 pm • 1 0 • view
Friendly amendment: -we, *white people Americans of color can see it just fine.
jun 15, 2025, 2:04 am • 17 0 • view
The media treated the "Michigan Militias" as a fun little curiosity up until Oklahoma City. We should've figured it out then.
jun 14, 2025, 9:21 pm • 18 1 • view
As an Okie myself, we all DID figure it out. But the ‘white terrorist = lone wolf that’s mentally ill’ theme can’t be questioned.
jun 14, 2025, 10:36 pm • 11 2 • view
Why? Why is that? They are constantly pulling punches - even in talking about the shootings in Minnesota. Call it out, identify it for what it is - what's the fear there?
jun 15, 2025, 3:00 am • 1 0 • view
That wouldn't polite to make those inferences
jun 15, 2025, 11:04 pm • 0 0 • view
the HBO one is great
jun 15, 2025, 2:31 am • 1 0 • view
That was one the most bizarre things—we had to have a WHOLE WAR ON TERROR (which was very stupid). But when white supremacists did huge numbers of menacing things, they decided not to bother them —partly because of the vengeance they took after Waco in Oklahoma City. Not very smart.
jun 14, 2025, 11:52 pm • 9 2 • view
Tim McVeigh wouldn’t be extreme enough to get through a GOP primary these days.
jun 14, 2025, 9:15 pm • 294 11 • view
He probably would have been pardoned by the felon in the White House if he were still alive.
jun 14, 2025, 9:19 pm • 179 1 • view
Terry Nichols is still alive
jun 14, 2025, 9:37 pm • 45 0 • view
Don't give them any ideas.
jun 14, 2025, 9:56 pm • 55 0 • view
Nichols was also convicted on state charges so Trump can't pardon him.
jun 14, 2025, 9:58 pm • 83 0 • view
Omg this is honestly true and insane
jun 14, 2025, 9:41 pm • 1 0 • view
COMPLICIT.
jun 14, 2025, 9:26 pm • 17 1 • view
I got whiplash from an audio documentary about Myra Hindley that let me know for the first time, after a deluge of content about her, that her & her murder accomplice boyfriend were enthusiastically into Nazism.
jun 15, 2025, 5:44 am • 0 0 • view
Domestic terrorism doesn’t apply to whites, funny how that works huh?
jun 14, 2025, 10:00 pm • 2 0 • view
@vermontgmg.bsky.social’s Long Shadow podcast has a season on the rise of the far right that includes how the OKC bombing fits in. I highly recommend it.
jun 14, 2025, 11:21 pm • 3 1 • view
FWIW: We can also observe that Free Speech Rights have been weaponized to protect all verbal/written communications that support the elimination of constitution-based rule of law in the USA. It is a rather strange development, but it is the REALITY! Even a US President can do it & few notice it!
jun 15, 2025, 1:33 pm • 7 0 • view
Case in point, a mentally unstable descendent of a famous politician can run around selling deadly, unproven claims about vaccines, healthcare, fake solution for diseases that end with dead kiddies by claiming it is his right to kill for fame and fortune as it is "free speech".
jun 15, 2025, 2:39 pm • 8 1 • view
domestic terrorism is protected free speech?
jun 15, 2025, 1:31 pm • 0 0 • view
I was living in OKC at the time. I didn't see it happen but I saw the aftermath as rescue teams searched the wreckage for survivors. It was surreal. What's the name of the documentary, and do you recommend it?
jun 15, 2025, 8:50 pm • 6 0 • view
I remember this at the time... They were treated as a couple crazy guys with some fringe views. Media completely missed the opportunity to show how big the problem really was.
jun 14, 2025, 9:53 pm • 1 0 • view
The disconnect of the FBI aiding and abetting the Klan and getting attacked by the Klan has been whitewashed for generations. Cocaine Kash comes from a persecuted heritage, he somehow looks in the mirror and see's a lily white, Mason Dixon Line red neck Klan member with a pointy hat.
jun 15, 2025, 2:34 pm • 2 0 • view
Once again, Taco pushed through the nomination of Kash Patel who has zero leadership experience in running our nations top investigation agency. Yet, Patel, Noem, and Hegseth are not the problem. Taco47 is the problem.
jun 15, 2025, 2:55 pm • 2 0 • view
We used to have a congress that had powers to bring the lawless into line. We need to bring that back.
jun 15, 2025, 3:24 pm • 2 0 • view
Did you also see the (Peabody award winning) one on HBO? www.imdb.com/title/tt3186...
jun 14, 2025, 9:36 pm • 5 1 • view
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jun 14, 2025, 11:31 pm • 2 0 • view
Not just Oklahoma City, of course. It's almost as if there's a secret Strunk & White somewhere that insists no societal ill or problem should ever be attributed to white supremacy even when the objective evidence is overwhelming.
jun 14, 2025, 10:34 pm • 4 0 • view
Yup. It’s called the #KKK, and it has infiltrated and taken over the Republican Party and our government. The Ku Klux Klan is the “ “deep state” that Republican conspiracy theorists claimed to be worried about.
jun 15, 2025, 6:44 am • 3 0 • view
They afraid of offending the domestic terrorists.
jun 14, 2025, 9:23 pm • 5 1 • view
Bingo!!!
jun 14, 2025, 10:10 pm • 2 0 • view
They much prefer the frankly stupid myth that “lone wolves” and “social misfits” act alone and are isolated from others. It’s never true.
jun 14, 2025, 11:40 pm • 2 1 • view
They should have turned Elohim City into a radioactive crater. But then what do you expect from a president who went to Stone Mountain Peckerwood Motherfucker Monument?
jun 14, 2025, 11:01 pm • 1 0 • view
Uh, what?
jun 15, 2025, 9:08 am • 1 0 • view
White Supremacist Mecca.
jun 15, 2025, 11:47 am • 0 0 • view
Lol
jun 15, 2025, 11:40 pm • 0 0 • view
It’s hard to criticize their kin/ tribesmen.
jun 14, 2025, 9:57 pm • 1 0 • view
Wait, did the series really not address it? Shoutout to the excellent season 2 of Long Shadow: longshadowpodcast.com/podcasts/ris..., which did an excellent job of tieing together early white supremacy movements and touchstones, like The Turner Diaries, with more recent events.
jun 15, 2025, 1:03 am • 2 0 • view
Exactly! Also, as an Oklahoman, I was always confused by the “foreign terrorists shattered our illusion of safety on 9/11” take. Mine had been shattered 6 years earlier by domestic terrorists.
jun 14, 2025, 10:33 pm • 8 1 • view
yep. White racists have killed more Americans on our soil than all wars in US history. This needs more press. White racists alARE and operate as terrorist organizations. We need better tools for eradicating the hate and their well funded organizations
jun 14, 2025, 11:55 pm • 2 1 • view
Remember there were at least two other guys involved in this , McVeigh was not a lone actor.
jun 14, 2025, 9:17 pm • 7 1 • view
The Turner Diaries are more popular than ever
jun 14, 2025, 9:36 pm • 1 0 • view
I only saw one report that actually highlighted 'The Turner Diaries', its author, and how it is a bible for so many white supremacists like the bomber. The media tends to call racism anything but what it is. "Economic anxiety" is their favorite euphemism.🙄
jun 15, 2025, 2:04 am • 51 7 • view
White people in diners. 😂 😂 In blood red MAGA areas. Economic anxiety my ass.
jun 15, 2025, 2:30 am • 10 0 • view
Watch vigilantes Inc. next. go to about 5 minutes in to get to the meat of it. youtu.be/P_XdtAQXnGE?...
jun 15, 2025, 4:52 am • 3 0 • view
"Anti-government," just a generic and totally inscrutable motivating ideology, no lessons we could possibly draw except to build large bollards around buildings and put people buying fertilizer on watch lists.
jun 14, 2025, 9:27 pm • 4 0 • view
That blows my mind as well
jun 14, 2025, 9:18 pm • 4 0 • view
You listening to #weirdlittleguys ? Doooood.
jun 15, 2025, 9:13 am • 1 0 • view
Lol, you & me both. I usually listen to podcasts while I'm cleaning and baking, soothing activities...had to stop listening to that one because there is nothing soothing about learning that while your friends were going up on hard dimes for non violent drug possession, Nazi fucks...
jun 15, 2025, 11:31 am • 1 0 • view
...were being given little to nothing by our "justice" system in response to direct violence (usually as repeat offenders) and multiple, obviously serious threats of mass violence. This is precisely why crime statistics look like they do for white men in the US, they get to do what they want.
jun 15, 2025, 11:31 am • 1 0 • view
It’s 100% fucked. I had to pause listening for a bit as well.
jun 15, 2025, 11:33 am • 1 0 • view
Well there you have it. Can’t fix à problem one doesn’t even acknowledge can you
jun 15, 2025, 8:07 am • 6 1 • view
It kind of makes you wonder if it was one of those things they just didn't need to talk about because everyone knew about it.
jun 15, 2025, 12:23 am • 1 0 • view
I was in my late twenties at the time and active duty military — it was impossible to miss. People weren’t as plugged into the media news as we are now because there was no internet « in your hand » like it is since the iPhone came out. It even struck me as naive at the time.
jun 14, 2025, 10:01 pm • 3 0 • view
right?! 🤦♀️
jun 15, 2025, 12:35 am • 1 0 • view
www.max.com/movies/ameri... Much better look at it
jun 15, 2025, 1:48 am • 11 0 • view
www.famous-trials.com/oklacity OKC BOMBING of the Alfred MURRAH building was well planned notta lone wolf operation.
jun 15, 2025, 2:28 am • 2 0 • view
Agreed Janelle, I also noticed the whitewash.
jun 15, 2025, 6:18 pm • 0 0 • view
Lil Timmy (Timothy McVeigh) was an out and out, over the top full-blown white supremicist, read all the fucked up small-press white uprising books and guides, and yeah... How they fucking IGNORE that is sickening.
jun 14, 2025, 9:19 pm • 12 0 • view
The memorial to these victims is fabulous. It’s called the Field of Empty chairs. 168 empty chairs, each representing a life lost in the bombing. Nineteen smaller chairs represent the children who died.
jun 14, 2025, 10:41 pm • 5 2 • view
Since inception America has been unable to banish white supremacy. Any progress towards a equalitarian society is met with backlash. As a society we must drive white nationalism/ fascism out or democracy will die.
jun 15, 2025, 6:22 am • 4 0 • view
that's why the hate that emanates from that historically sick twisted bunch of generational murderers persists they're protected ,not consistently condemned by media denounced persistently by all parties as what they are :a blight on our nation ,an endemic freedom killing locust plague
jun 14, 2025, 10:08 pm • 4 0 • view
It's part of my lifetime of historical references that I understand are directly linked to ws. That it isn't widely understood always frustrates me, too.
jun 14, 2025, 11:14 pm • 3 0 • view
I 100% believe there were deeper ties to the White Power movement that were swept under the rug for fear of another Waco. Elohim City was a nexus for so much of this.
jun 14, 2025, 9:27 pm • 3 0 • view
I watched it a month ago. It was truly all about white supremacy and hated of the government, as well as, being tied to Waco/Branch Davidians’ incident.
jun 15, 2025, 1:15 am • 5 0 • view
Organized WS to that degree is nothing compared to the left these days
jun 14, 2025, 9:34 pm • 0 0 • view
american media *studiously* avoids mentioning these kinds of connections. like, almost nobody knows that most school shooters are nazis either, despite these facts being extremely important to understanding anything
jun 15, 2025, 1:07 am • 1 0 • view
The collective media impulse to suppress racism as an explanatory factor is quite strong.
jun 14, 2025, 9:31 pm • 142 9 • view
As well as sexism..media ran from both disgustingly quickly in November 🤬
jun 14, 2025, 10:23 pm • 0 0 • view
Agreed. Absolutely astonishing. It is the cornerstone of Trumpism. Racism is the engine that makes the “fascism” possible. And they are comfortable with that word.
jun 14, 2025, 10:26 pm • 1 0 • view
literally if one of these peckerwoods says “it is racism, I am doing this because of my deep racism” (Dylann Roof, e.g.) it’s dismissed
jun 14, 2025, 9:55 pm • 101 5 • view
Peckerwoods! Thank you for bringing that description/name/moniker back. 😁😉
jun 15, 2025, 12:46 pm • 1 0 • view
what a troubled young man, this is probably the fault of girls not going out with him
jun 14, 2025, 10:02 pm • 70 0 • view
Always
jun 15, 2025, 3:41 am • 0 0 • view
No matter what... IT'S ALWAYS THE WOMAN'S FAULT...WAAAAA! which makes it increasingly LESS likely they'll EVER get laid🤣
jun 14, 2025, 10:30 pm • 1 0 • view
"Joke"?
jun 15, 2025, 12:32 pm • 0 0 • view
And then we get 10 more pundit hot takes about how Gen Z women are so liberal they are alienating their male peers 🙄
jun 14, 2025, 10:18 pm • 55 1 • view
YUP! F that S! Honestly at this point...who wants to screw the whiney cowardly mofos?
jun 14, 2025, 10:27 pm • 2 0 • view
I have to admit, as a man, I find it very convenient that all the bad things I do are ultimately blamed on women
jun 14, 2025, 10:25 pm • 48 6 • view
The media also glosses over how deeply compromised trump & a lot of Republicans are with Russia and Putin
jun 14, 2025, 10:27 pm • 30 2 • view
The GOP from the grass roots is captured.
jun 14, 2025, 10:58 pm • 12 1 • view
And zero takes about how the creepiness the Gen Z guys are marinating in are alienating women and pushing them left. It is always the women who are held responsible for everybody’s feelings, men can’t be expected to consider consequences.
jun 17, 2025, 9:48 pm • 2 0 • view
100%. We're still fighting the f'ing Civil War, we're still fighting racism! Gen4 KKK is still using the Bible as a means of propaganda. And wealthy $billionaires are still using racism, misogyny, and hate to divide working class, communities, neighbors, and families to maintain labor control.
jun 15, 2025, 4:02 pm • 23 5 • view
We did not actually win WWII. The Nazi-Fascist problem still exists. The "Greatest Generation" did not defeat the Nazis. They punted.
jun 15, 2025, 5:39 pm • 4 0 • view
Timothy McVeigh was a White Supremacist and Anti-Government Extremist. If he hadn’t been executed, Trump would have pardoned him, and EVERY Congressman from Oklahoma would have remained silent. Oklahoma has Seven Cowards in the US Congress.
jun 14, 2025, 9:40 pm • 6 0 • view
Reading Hate Monger about Steven Miller and it continues to show the convergence of Limbaugh et al, great replacement, surge of immigration in the 90s and the political climate and response to it- the level of hatred in this “movement” is shocking and scary
jun 14, 2025, 10:11 pm • 4 2 • view
I studied the rhetoric of that movement. Compare the known writings and utterances of Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols to the day to day rhetoric of your average MAGA podcaster and you can fairly conclude that McVeigh is the spiritual Godfather of the modern Right.
jun 15, 2025, 9:41 am • 90 14 • view
Hearing mainstream Republicans now saying the same thing as the guy everyone else thought was crazy selling books at a gun show in 1994 sure is something.
jun 15, 2025, 1:16 pm • 29 2 • view
I remember when nrw o the bombing broke, mainstream news outlets were speculating (with no evidence) that it was foreign terrorists. I knew immediately it must be domestic, as why would foreign agents target a minor Federal office in Oklahoma City, of all places?
jun 14, 2025, 10:20 pm • 2 0 • view
This.
jun 14, 2025, 11:16 pm • 1 0 • view
Does the Netflix docu get it right? Haven’t seen it.
jun 14, 2025, 9:57 pm • 2 0 • view
I remember there being coverage of it, if only because it was impossible to completely ignore. The coverage of Columbine a few years later totally suppressed it.
jun 14, 2025, 10:03 pm • 18 4 • view
Columbine kids also were white supremacists, that part was also downplayed
jun 15, 2025, 2:24 am • 8 0 • view
Yep. Had to be on a waiting list on libby for 6 months to get the one book that writes extensively about the white supremacy angle on Columbine. It's a concerted effort to quash any and all of the clear signs that violent radicalization in this country has been consistently rooted in white supremacy
jun 15, 2025, 11:36 am • 4 0 • view
Dude kept the Turner Diaries under his pillow. But they’ll say his motives weren’t clear. It’s in the book! He was following the plan of the white supremacist book!
jun 15, 2025, 2:43 am • 54 1 • view
His motives were very clear! He was very antigovernment. His neighbors said he was certain his conspiracy theories were true. Media drives me nuts. (I knew someone who lived next to him and I lived in Oklahoma at the time. ) The museum covers it pretty good, though, unless that changed.
jun 15, 2025, 2:59 am • 27 0 • view
Never heard of Turner Diaries before & had to look it up. And jesus christ. Cheers for helping me learn but goddamn. The book (based on the Wikipedia entry) is just a racist circlejerk with a lot of loud winks to racists on what to do. Both it and its author are proper despicable things.
jun 15, 2025, 9:25 am • 2 0 • view
Heard. Or the way we accepted their rebranding names: White Nationalist. Alt Right. Christian Nationalist. It's the same KKK from the Deep South, who never stopped having their secret meeting and plotting agendas. Still riddled with Law Enforcement members who 'fix' arrests, verdicts and votes.
jun 15, 2025, 4:51 pm • 16 2 • view
As an aside, Netflix documentaries generally tend to be exceptional. I can't tell you the number of times I've been sucked into watching something I thought I would have zero interest in b/c they did such a great job. This one was excellent as well.
jun 15, 2025, 6:23 pm • 0 0 • view
Jeffrey Toobin’s book Homegrown was the first time that I knew how deep the whole white supremecist part was entwined in what they did and it made me furious that they knew and didn’t do anything about it then or now.
jun 14, 2025, 9:42 pm • 2 1 • view
A disturbing omission. They’re a vocal and influential component of Trump’s “base,” even more so as many of his less-engaged supporters bail out in response to his increasingly shrill, violent rhetoric.
jun 15, 2025, 2:13 pm • 4 1 • view
I remember that day vividly. I was taking a PTO day and had the morning news on TV. When the first responders started carrying the kids from the daycare center I broke down. Truly heartbreaking and horrific
jun 14, 2025, 9:17 pm • 5 0 • view
Purposeful ignorance??
jun 15, 2025, 12:17 pm • 2 0 • view
Avoidance... the cognitive dissonance is why we are in this moment. If we get past this, it is why we will get 'here' again. See 'The Gilded Age'. The first stage of healing is admitting that you have a problem. America has never really been able to wrestle with its past or present. 🇺🇸repeat.
jun 14, 2025, 11:45 pm • 1 1 • view
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jun 14, 2025, 10:08 pm • 1 0 • view
After the unabomber died there was a very weird sentiment that his manifesto was "prescient" or w/e, and when I skimmed it to see what all the fuss was about I saw a lot of shit that just looked like average modern conservative culture war bullshit The reality is these terrorists have sympathizers
jun 14, 2025, 9:57 pm • 2 0 • view
The Newsroom had an episode called "American Taliban". Too bad none of the media in real life did anything like this youtu.be/4WVn2ubwIVM?...
jun 14, 2025, 10:17 pm • 3 1 • view
The attack was straight out of the Turner Diaries. White Supremacy is an existential threat.
jun 14, 2025, 10:04 pm • 8 0 • view
Popular media always avoids speaking of white supremacy organized or not. I avoid all MSM.
jun 15, 2025, 12:31 pm • 10 1 • view
I remember the coverage was just “lone wolf” out the wazoo. They never talked about Coeur d’Alene and all the white supremacist groups who got him there.
jun 14, 2025, 9:22 pm • 9 2 • view
Watching it in real time was surreal
jun 15, 2025, 4:24 pm • 0 0 • view
This happened when I was a child and I remember it being the hugest news story but I never knew it had anything to do with white supremacy until I was an adult
jun 14, 2025, 9:25 pm • 1 0 • view
yeUP..
jun 14, 2025, 11:56 pm • 0 0 • view
Tragedy set in action by one of the dumbest, short sighted democrats ever, Janet Reno and her president’s administration
jun 14, 2025, 10:50 pm • 1 0 • view
I remember being in high school and I was only able to connect the dots because of a research paper I wrote senior year on the rise of anti-govt militias. Media really sold the idea that McVeigh and Nichols were just wacky liberterians
jun 14, 2025, 9:45 pm • 8 1 • view
My memory is that there was an all-too brief moment where there was a crackdown on militias but conservatives flipped out
jun 14, 2025, 9:20 pm • 22 1 • view
Yeah, mostly during Clinton admin.
jun 14, 2025, 9:55 pm • 5 1 • view
Absolutely. Tim McVeigh had the Turner Diaries in his car when he was arrested. It was absolutely connected to white supremacist and neo nazi militias that were at their peak in the mid 90's. Anyone who lived through that time KNOWS that it was. The media is run by old white men though.
jun 15, 2025, 6:16 am • 95 6 • view
I’m from OKC & was living in NYC when it happened, watched it on TV. I KNEW it was white supremacy. Newspeople were talking about middle eastern students at OU possibly at fault. Those guys were oil&gas engineering. One guy told me his parents sent him to small town OU to keep him out of trouble
jun 15, 2025, 6:55 am • 21 1 • view
They were directly following the line fed by the federal government. Specifically the prosecutor in the case. A fellow we all know... Garland. He was a quick open and shut conviction as fast as possible. Completely squashed anything more complex than "we got him".
jun 15, 2025, 12:56 pm • 22 1 • view
If you ever want to really dig, Wendy Painting has spent a lifetime digging in deeper than anyone. And Richard Booth compiled this. libertarianinstitute.org/okc/
jun 15, 2025, 12:58 pm • 6 0 • view
Now it appears to be a federal sting operation gone wrong, like the Boston bombing?
jun 15, 2025, 7:51 pm • 2 0 • view
After 30 years of digging in myself, I would say probably not. More like the feds had the intel they needed but didn't put it together, but not an op they set up that they lost control of. Though that's a VERY popular theory.
jun 15, 2025, 8:16 pm • 5 0 • view
I'd even go so far as to call that a popular Conspiracy Theory. He was slightly on the radar because of his affiliations. And they KNEW his connections were always planning stuff. Hell, they planned a rocket attack on the Murrah building in 1983. But they ignored a critical informant... /cont
jun 15, 2025, 8:19 pm • 4 0 • view
name Carol Howe because they considered her "unreliable". Even though she was trying to tell her handlers that someone (she didn't know who exactly) was planning something big for 4/19. It was all there. Feds just didn't put it together.
jun 15, 2025, 8:20 pm • 5 0 • view
So part of the rush to convict without digging was to get Garland his fast conviction to "bring closure to the American people", and partly to hide the fact that they missed the signs even far more than they would for 9/11 years later. Feds fucked up big.
jun 15, 2025, 8:22 pm • 6 0 • view
But I don't think the feds were handling McVeigh to set him up. It's not impossible at all with what we know, but I don't think that was the case. But if it was, holy shit, that's a fuckup of biblical proportions. I just believe they missed WHO exactly they watched was about to act.
jun 15, 2025, 8:24 pm • 3 0 • view
They really thought it would be guys in Arkansas from the CSA or Millar's group in Elohim City that would actually do something. But both helped McVeigh as he flew "under" the radar. Even though he should have been a giant ping on that radar. But just my opinion with what I've read over 30 years.
jun 15, 2025, 8:26 pm • 5 0 • view
Thank you, I look forward to slogging through it. I used to be an avid newspaper and magazine reader, often going to the library to get my fill before the Internet exploded. I found that the IRS was collecting all Oklahoma tax records to be digitalized at that building. Thought that was the reason.
jun 15, 2025, 7:49 pm • 1 0 • view
Truly the worst to ever fucking do it
jun 15, 2025, 12:57 pm • 3 0 • view
They could have rolled up entire networks of the worst WP and militia groups in the country, but Garland wanted a quick conviction. And the government was still reeling from losing the Fort Smith Sedition trials in 1988.
jun 15, 2025, 1:00 pm • 5 0 • view
I think its a matter of having to balance the need for a definite conviction so they don't go free w/the need to try & take down the whole network which requires a lot more resources & risk of losing the conviction. I see both strategies as valid, depending on the circumstances. It reminds me(1/6)
jun 15, 2025, 10:37 pm • 1 0 • view
of how everyone was lauding the efforts of Fani Willis 4 her sprawling super complex RICO case & just like Harris, the fairweather fans were all abt extolling her efforts & daring case (campaign) she put together, and then when it all fell apart bc of crooked judges (rigged election/worthless (2/6)
jun 15, 2025, 10:37 pm • 0 0 • view
apathetic nonvoters) suddenly everyone *just knew* she was gonna lose & went straight 2 shitting on her and how stupid/flawed her case (campaign) was. For Willis, they were especially critical of her 4 "doing too much" and trying to take down everyone in such a complex sprawling case when she (3/6)
jun 15, 2025, 10:37 pm • 0 0 • view
"obviously should have known to just put together a simple easy open and shut case" and how everything is basically all her fault and shame on her for thinking that the justice system shouldn't restrain itself 4 the biggest political case in history & that Dump and co. shouldnt be treated with(4/6)
jun 15, 2025, 10:37 pm • 1 0 • view
kid gloves. Now with the benefit of hindsight, every arm chair prosecuter *knows* what should have been done from the get-go even though she was being celebrated 4 her ambitious effort b4 the corrupt judicial system settled on appeasing the fascists. They then also blamed her ambitious efforts (5/6)
jun 15, 2025, 10:37 pm • 2 0 • view
on her just trying to "take the spotlight for herself" and "bungling" the most important case of her career because she was trying 2 use the case 4 selfish career advancement reasons/to get famous. Idk if it's just me but it seems Black women are always held to impossible standards (6/6)
jun 15, 2025, 10:37 pm • 2 0 • view
Yeah, they don’t wanna go there.
jun 14, 2025, 11:00 pm • 1 0 • view
They're on the same side.
jun 14, 2025, 11:36 pm • 1 0 • view
jun 15, 2025, 1:21 am • 2 0 • view
True. But if you lived in rural Michigan at the time, you were fully aware of who the Michigan Militia was and what they were about.
jun 14, 2025, 9:26 pm • 7 0 • view
They've been doing it for generations
jun 14, 2025, 11:23 pm • 3 0 • view
It is fundamentally connected to white supremacy and I didn't learn this until adulthood... I'm named after a victim of the bombing
jun 14, 2025, 10:33 pm • 5 0 • view
I worked on the OKBOMB case. Reviewed interviews. Some were former classmates and community members of mine. It was totally white washed in my community. Amazing.
jun 14, 2025, 9:40 pm • 4 1 • view
White washed in the sense it was not focused on white supremacy but they did work hard on the actors regardless of race.
jun 14, 2025, 10:51 pm • 1 1 • view
Yes
jun 15, 2025, 2:03 pm • 1 0 • view
It was always that. It’s wild
jun 15, 2025, 1:30 am • 1 0 • view
The presumption is, as I'm sure you've dwelled on many times, that white people won't watch or will be offended by reporting that criticizes white supremacy directly. Missing the point here isn't merely deliberate-- it's rationalized as a marketing decision.
jun 14, 2025, 9:46 pm • 4 1 • view
Just like our current ICE goons. We know who they really are behind the masks.
jun 14, 2025, 10:11 pm • 7 2 • view
Yes! Yes we do!
jun 14, 2025, 11:17 pm • 3 0 • view
Chris Wray stated in more than one hearing that the biggest threat to our country is white nationalism/ militias yet Congress yawned. If Wray knew this, J Comey would have and probably R Mueller. Why a succession of Republican FBI directors doing nothing about this?
jun 14, 2025, 10:29 pm • 16 3 • view
Elohim City connection? total coincidence. just bros being bros.
jun 14, 2025, 9:18 pm • 10 0 • view
Explicitly Genocidal Turner Diaries white supremacy
jun 14, 2025, 10:24 pm • 10 1 • view
wow going to have to see that. on a related note, who was it that said: "the white supremacists are always the least supreme of the whites."✅
jun 15, 2025, 1:27 pm • 0 0 • view
They can't bite the hand that feeds them...
jun 14, 2025, 10:09 pm • 1 0 • view
I knew my mom was a lost cause when she told me that mcveigh was “misunderstood.” He bombed babies. Not much to misunderstand about evil.
jun 14, 2025, 10:37 pm • 17 1 • view
We have violent immigrants picking fruits and vegetables from fields. We are being invaded by illegals who walked 100s of miles in Crocs to cut grass and threaten people at Home Depot. What white suprematism? 🤷🏾♂️
jun 14, 2025, 10:03 pm • 3 0 • view
If he was alive today there would be a push to pardon him.
jun 15, 2025, 4:31 am • 1 0 • view
As someone from OKC-Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. It was a massive web that they were afraid to untangle and it still is impacting so many to this day. The killer in MN definitely has NAR Christian Nationalist ties.
jun 14, 2025, 9:21 pm • 61 5 • view
He also worked his way on to gov committee where they denied his security/surveillance apparatus (massive dangerous stuff) the funding he wanted. Treaded lightly around the guy as they knew what he could become if set off
jun 16, 2025, 7:49 pm • 0 0 • view
A lot of those same groups are still around they just became a church instead
jun 14, 2025, 9:21 pm • 29 5 • view
WAPO reports GOP wants to run on USA turmoil -- which they began😏
jun 17, 2025, 3:59 pm • 0 0 • view
Pretty amazing, doncha think? Did they show Timothy whatever-his-name, earlier, at the nightmarish government attack at Waco? He was there. Took it all in….Loaded for bear. Then he headed back to Oklahoma to *protest* - ugh. I saw the Murrah Building weeks later. So sad. 😞
jun 15, 2025, 12:16 am • 1 0 • view
That’s what “militia” is code
jun 14, 2025, 10:39 pm • 2 0 • view
It was horrible and now those people are in charge.
jun 15, 2025, 1:24 am • 1 0 • view
White people buy a ton of deodorant, soap, etc., and advertisers' money keep the media's lights on. 🙄
jun 15, 2025, 1:45 pm • 0 0 • view
The Hulu one directly connects the dots iirc
jun 14, 2025, 9:53 pm • 1 0 • view
White people will do ANYTHING not to acknowledge racism.
jun 14, 2025, 11:17 pm • 21 1 • view
Ah, but your forget, a long time ago a white pastor had a black pastor come to a Sunday service where he apologized to the black pastor for racism, thus acknowledging and settling the issue once and for all. Just repeating what I read. Apologies, but it's so much worse than you presume.
jun 15, 2025, 1:16 am • 3 0 • view