i actually think there is a wide open lane in american politics right now for “get the US out of israel.” the challenge is having the steel to weather the inevitable attacks from the right. but “israel has forfeited american aid because of its behavior” plays.
I know the “MAGA fever” is never going to break per se. But once Trump is off the board one way or another I think right wing support for Israel collapses pretty quickly. It’s already an odd fit amongst the “America first” (and frankly largely antisemitic) crowd as is.
Not with the Christian per-millenialists. All Jews have to go back to a reconstituted Israel to bring back Armageddon.
(and i were advising a candidate i’d say they should take this stance *because* you are likely to be attacked for it)
They would not be supported by Jeffries and Schumer.
So what? All politicians in America are entrepreneurs, who have to build their own support base. The endorsement whining is just left's way of processing loss.
I guess in case of Mamdani, it's left's way of processing not losing, which is tantamount to a loss (as it interferes with whining).
The problem of course being that they would find and fund a competitor for the primary. That would have to be factored into the cost of going against them. Either have the funding lined up or make sure you knew your path and pushed it hard. It'd be a one way street till you won.
There are specific states where this is hard (really just New York I think), but I think the more people just do it, the more the cordon sanitaire weakens.
And Zohrans success in NYC proves it
Why do you say that? Mamdani just did it and won the most votes in a NYC mayoral primary ever.
Against an unusually weak candidate, among the most left-wing electorate in the state. If you add in heavily Jewish suburbs of the city, the dynamic changes.
Put another way: the parents of Mamdanis's leftist Jewish voters live in Westchester and LI, and they're fucking insane.
Also he’s mayor. He doesn’t hold the fate of Israel in his hands the way the media seemed to pretend.
Maybe wouldn’t change much. Normie liberal jews are pissed at Israel. A skilled candidate who can avoid anti-semitism pitfalls can probably say he’s going to kick netanyahus ass
I think it makes the dance a lot more precarious than elsewhere. Like, look at how Rye and towns like it voted in 2024 vis a vis Bowman.
I think there are a lot of normie liberal jews pissed at Israel who also don't like candidates who criticize Israel a lot especially ones who aren't Jewish and it shows up in vote numbers.
read the thing you posted again
Like I do think this would count against a candidate where I am (purple NY suburbs), but even here not by as much as one might think.
Seems like every Jewish Democrat I know has more or less come around to the idea that the state of Israel needs to be stopped. Most think of this just as a Netanyahu problem, though, and most were not here in 2023 or 2024. But they're there now.
Israel is not a developing country and doesn't not need $4 billion annually from the US. If the US is conditioning weapons transfers to all it allies, it can and should do the same with Israel as well.
#AIPAC 🤔 I have heard that the Zionist funding model is a huge blackmail-scam.
Are you going to hold other US allies/aid recipients to that standard? If so, will the US erase itself from most of world politics, a new age of Dem isolationism? Are we cutting off Turkey, the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Egypt...? Or is this just the consequence for Israel?
Are those countries bombing tf out of kids right this moment?
Saudi Arabia's proxy war with Iran is responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths in Yemen. Turkey and the UAE are funding the Sudan conflict (albeit on opposite sides) Drone Attacks in Darfur, Port Sudan Reflect Growing Turkey-UAE Tensions - Africa Defense Forum share.google/ll7JoF3bcTby...
Turkey is part of NATO...
That doesn't mean its hands are clean.
And I didn't say that, but including Turkey, and Egypt, in your list just points out how your whataboutism is nothing more than an unserious deflection.
Turkey is funding the atrocities in Sudan, not to mention its continuous offensives against Kurds in Syria, Iraq and East Turkey.
Lmao wait until you hear about the shit the United States is complicit in.
Yes, that does go along with my point.
So we should just fund Isreal because the US is an authoritarian shithole?
So we should just keep selling/giving arms to Israel because the world is full of bad people doing bad things? Nihilism is a hell of a drug.
Again, not something I dispute, but saying we'll just cut off any aid to a NATO ally shows either that you are disingenuous, unserious, or both, all in an attempt to deflect from Israel.
Egypt is perhaps an even worse one to include as the vast majority of aid the US has given to them since the 1970s is about Israel's safety and security. So which is it?
Would also bolster law and order bonafides with the right rhetoric, given the fact that the current supply of military aid to Israel is already illegal. "I will follow the law" over and over again, including with prosecuting corrupt Republicans
We need an amicable divorce
once you inform the median voter that the average Gazan is a clinically malnourished minor they get, like, really upset about it, wonder why
I think the answer in most places is to lean into the right's attacks
Hamas can end the war at anytime, its not about the suffering in Gaza, its about finding someone to blame with liberals,
You keep calling it a war. One side is starving the other side, including the hostages Netanyahu pretends to care about. The day Netanyahu stops receiving aid is the day this ends, and he can go on trial for all his corruption charges.
do you know how many of Hamas troops are counted in the death toll? Do you know how many people Hamas has killed? If we stop aid to Isreal, we not only jeopardize a nation of 9 mill we help Iran who supplies China with oil, and facilitate the transfer of missiles to Russia to use in Ukraine
