if they were making a claim about historical origins the logic would push towards the inclusion of blacks, natives and other peoples on the north american continent. but schmitt is fundamentally making a racial claim.
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"tamed" a continent
sep 3, 2025, 12:52 am • 7 0 • view
this is all gross, but the born on the water phrase stood out to me. trying to co-opt/ steal that from 1619 is especially nasty work…
sep 3, 2025, 12:57 am • 3 0 • view
sep 3, 2025, 12:42 am • 0 0 • view
This. Lots of groups that broadly have longer historical ties to the continent than descendants of white Europeans, specifically the immigrants they're attempting to abduct today.
sep 3, 2025, 2:39 am • 3 0 • view
Can't decide what's bigger; the hubris or the ignorance or the cowardice.
sep 3, 2025, 12:43 am • 3 0 • view
there is a way in which this is even an explicit repudiation of the constitution itself, created not to pass some european idea of "nationhood" down to posterity, but to pass *republican self-government* down to posterity.
sep 3, 2025, 12:54 am • 1,154 103 • view
They are deeply invested in bringing about a new, post-constitutional order
sep 3, 2025, 1:08 am • 3 0 • view
I was driving today and Lennon’s song Imagine came on… I burst into tears because I used to be able to imagine, now not so much
sep 3, 2025, 1:16 am • 2 0 • view
The homeland-descendants bit is calling out another phrasing nazis really like.
sep 3, 2025, 1:52 am • 2 0 • view
Also: many Americans in the Early Republic did not think of themselves as extensions of their European heritage or whatever. Anglophobia was extremely common in politics and culture.
sep 3, 2025, 1:43 am • 3 0 • view
There was a time in the 19th century when people wanted Cuba to be a state. Granted it was for slavery reasons, but the point stands.
sep 3, 2025, 3:36 am • 0 0 • view
really excellent breakdown of all the vile intricacies of this brand of white nationalism and how it completely ignores history, place, and the principles underpinning the founding of the country itself in exchanges for a mythologized fantasy land for white folks and no one else
sep 3, 2025, 1:28 am • 3 0 • view
These NatCons all act like Americans are some poor Magyars suffering under the Habsburg yoke and not the citizens of the most powerful and dynamic country in human history
sep 3, 2025, 1:12 am • 16 1 • view
He's an ignorant racist.
sep 3, 2025, 12:55 am • 4 0 • view
and the idea that the suspicious continentals came later isn’t even true. the constitution was translated into dutch and german before it was even ratified. i’m pretty sure the first batch of settlers recruited to new amsterdam by the dutch west indies company included jews (shorto wrote about it)
sep 3, 2025, 3:45 am • 9 1 • view
(just double checked. what i can readily track down is not the first boat but a bunch that arrived in 1654 and immediately founded a synagogue that is still around to this day. anyhow i guess the usa is a nation of scotch eggs or something.)
sep 3, 2025, 4:05 am • 4 1 • view
I want to see them try ... their attempt this far reaching and quick as it has been, is imploding all around them.
sep 3, 2025, 5:27 am • 0 0 • view
You can read e.g. the Irish declaration of independence - says they're are establishing the Irish Republic in the name of the "Irish nation", representing the "ancient Irish people" Israel's of course explicitly says it's a Jewish state. TJ could have written something like that ... but he didn't.
sep 3, 2025, 1:12 am • 8 0 • view
It's a repudiation of American Exceptionalism, because it makes us no different from any other nation - just a bunch of people who were the most recent ones to live in that place.
sep 3, 2025, 12:58 am • 142 9 • view
Only stupider, because it’s not even the most recent people. Or the earliest people. It’s strictly racial.
sep 3, 2025, 1:10 am • 117 4 • view
I notice that he specifically avoids mentioning any nation that is historically Catholic. No Irish, Italian, or French there. I see no other reason to include the Scotch-Irish but not the Irish themselves.
sep 3, 2025, 1:20 am • 49 0 • view
And he is Catholic.
sep 3, 2025, 1:29 am • 22 0 • view
And, more specifically, a conservative Catholic who probably doesn't think a lot of many other Catholics (among them: James Martin, Pope Francis, and myself, which is almost certainly the only time the three of us will be in the same sentence).
sep 3, 2025, 1:57 am • 25 1 • view
Spot on. Knew a trad Catholic convert who I mentioned more liberal Catholics to. His response was “oh, you mean Protestants”.
sep 3, 2025, 2:37 am • 8 0 • view
Not sure what they'd think of me since I'm a Catholic convert from being Unitarian. Probably not much...
sep 3, 2025, 5:38 am • 1 0 • view
I’m not Catholic myself, but if it helps, learning about martyrs (and saints) like St Oscar Romero and Blessed Stanley Rother made more of an impression on me than any traditionalist could ever hope to dent.
sep 3, 2025, 6:03 am • 1 0 • view
Liberal catholics are far more liberal than Protestants. Also, far more faithful to the scripture than the Opus Dei types. There's a strain of American Catholic that has essentially rejected the main line of the Roman Catholic church as a whole.
sep 3, 2025, 2:54 am • 14 0 • view
He's converted to Catholicism. He's not ethnically from a Catholic group. The last thing he wants to do is elevate the Irish.
sep 3, 2025, 2:51 am • 0 0 • view
By design, it would interfere with his racist agenda and alienate a key voting block.
sep 3, 2025, 5:31 am • 0 0 • view
Racism lS the point.
sep 3, 2025, 5:29 am • 2 0 • view
Power is the point and racism is the tactic.
sep 3, 2025, 5:30 am • 2 0 • view
We were NEVER exceptional that's what has FINALLY been exposed.
sep 3, 2025, 5:28 am • 0 0 • view
Well, the most recent would be now, and that's not what they want. They want to pick a point in time and say "that's when the land belonged to us, the true owners, and people who came after don't belong." And I guess the people who were here before then were just waiting to turn it over to them.
sep 3, 2025, 1:09 am • 15 1 • view
It's a good bet that in 1848 or so most of my mom's Scots-Irish ancestors who arrived in the 1750s thought my dad's newly arrived German ancestors were filthy furriners, not true Americans.
sep 3, 2025, 2:27 am • 5 0 • view
Pretty much. And they'll take Johnny-Come-Latelys like Musk because he's white, and similarly any European countries - ideally NORTHERN, as long as they're North of the Med. Any color you want, as long as it's white.
sep 3, 2025, 1:15 am • 8 0 • view
Yeah, the list of the lies of omission in that little speech were pretty striking, doesn't talk about all the exploitation and murder that was committed to 'claim the land that they were destined for'. I mean, if it was Destined for Them, why wasn't it Empty? Right, that's how they talk about it.
sep 3, 2025, 2:56 am • 1 0 • view
I think it’s funny that they include continental Europeans but still exclude the Irish
sep 3, 2025, 1:11 am • 8 0 • view
There was some horrifically racist statement going around a few years back, with the kicker that it was a Congressman from a hundred plus years ago talking about Finns.
sep 3, 2025, 1:35 am • 1 0 • view
The Reconstruction Amendments are just as much part of the Constitution as the 1787 draft, and this doesn’t even pretend to not repudiate those.
sep 3, 2025, 1:00 am • 21 0 • view
That's the logical and historically accurate view. But just wait until the Calvinball Court gets done with it.
sep 3, 2025, 1:12 am • 5 0 • view
Those are the Second Founding, in many ways
sep 3, 2025, 3:28 am • 0 0 • view
Racism is so lame. Our nation is awesome BECAUSE of its inclusive aspirations and achievements IN SPITE of its exclusive racism and hatred.
sep 3, 2025, 1:04 am • 4 0 • view
👏 If the Founders wanted to create Europe 2.0 why would they create a new country here instead of just moving to Europe? Europe isn't America. America isn't Europe. If Musk, Vance, Miller want Europe, pack your bags and move there. They won't be missed!
sep 3, 2025, 2:13 am • 6 2 • view
Other than Russia and Hungary, I doubt Europe wants them.
sep 3, 2025, 2:20 am • 5 1 • view
Do you have a sense for how someone like Yoram Hazony can show up on places like the Ezra Klein show and claim this isn’t a racist project? I found his explanations incomprehensible, but speeches like this make his case seem less a project of willful ignorance and more of straight lying on the topic
sep 3, 2025, 1:01 am • 2 0 • view
I would like to see this dude give this speech to a room full of Missouria and Osage.
sep 3, 2025, 12:52 am • 2 0 • view
I’d like to know his heritage. From the name, thinking he’s “old line” German(I don’t know the St. Louis lingo), akin to the Busch family, as an example. Missouri/Mississippi river minor royalty. Nowhere near the “conquering” of the wild.
sep 3, 2025, 1:27 am • 2 0 • view
They're the product of a melting pot and they want to lie about and then hide the recipe.
sep 3, 2025, 12:51 am • 6 0 • view
Years ago, you might have been able to quiet me down that there was a natural ebb and flow to this, the achievement of natural rights, but I'm older and wiser now. It's just race. And it's cuz it's easier to sell. Like drugs, demand side problem. A sucker and a racist born every minute.
sep 3, 2025, 12:42 am • 7 0 • view
Blacks for Trump must be feeling a bit awkward right now. Tim Scott and Byron Mcdonalds practicing their biggest grins and head nods.
sep 3, 2025, 2:39 am • 0 0 • view
Damn Jamelle, it was all white boys din't cha know? What a crock of shit. This counrty wouldn't be a country if it weren't for the indiginous, slaves, indentured and every fucking body else that was here when the shit was going down and threw in looking for something better than what was. Thanks!
sep 3, 2025, 1:14 am • 0 0 • view
It’s Daniel Boone & Davey Crockett & cowboys & Indians. Like the movies I saw when I was a kid in 1960. I grew up, but apparently Eric Schmitt did not.
sep 3, 2025, 1:01 am • 1 0 • view
Racism is the point.
sep 3, 2025, 5:26 am • 0 0 • view
Not to mention they violently stole the land from its original people. This country was founded on crimes against humanity.
sep 3, 2025, 1:03 am • 5 0 • view
He said that was a good thing, proof of superiority.
sep 3, 2025, 2:26 am • 1 0 • view
Hell, even if they were making a claim about sheer wills to survive and make something out of unimaginable circumstances he’d have to warrant such inclusions, but again clearly not the story they’re telling. Sign of the times indeed.
sep 3, 2025, 12:56 am • 3 0 • view
They don't even know what actually happened at Valley Forge except for some ancient myth cooked up by racist "Nordic American" groups
sep 3, 2025, 12:45 am • 2 0 • view
Roughly 10% of the continental!/army camped at valley forge were black (both free and enslaved).
sep 3, 2025, 12:51 am • 6 0 • view
Yup, Indigenous people kept them supplied during the winter, too, and even fought for the US oneida-nsn.gov/wp-content/u...
sep 3, 2025, 12:57 am • 5 1 • view
Note he says ‘Scotch Irish’. The famine Irish, who made up the majority of Irish immigrants (and were Catholic, not Presbyterian) don’t make the cut.
sep 3, 2025, 12:42 am • 102 4 • view
Scotch is a drink. The Scotts-Irish are a a distinct ethnicity.
sep 3, 2025, 12:58 am • 0 0 • view
Scotts is a weed killer company. Feed yer lawn, laddie! Feed it! ‘Scotch Irish’ is the term. Quite a few of them were Harbisons. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotch-...
sep 3, 2025, 1:01 am • 0 0 • view
I shouldt have done 2 ts. But the book i read on it makes the distinction, even though scotch is the more popular term. Im a McDowell on my mother's side. about as Scots/Scotch-Irish as they come.
sep 3, 2025, 1:06 am • 0 0 • view
Oh, *eventually*...cf. Ignatiev "How The Irish Became White" (1995)
sep 3, 2025, 12:57 am • 0 0 • view
I literally thought Scotch-Irish just meant people from Scotland and Ireland until your post just now. Thanks for prompting me to look it up!
sep 3, 2025, 12:47 am • 20 1 • view
They were originally Scottish settlers in Ulster, the same people who (when they didn’t emigrate, became Unionists/loyalists. They mostly came in the 18th century, because of rent gouging by landlords. There were maybe 100,000 of them, first to PA, and then to the Carolinas.
sep 3, 2025, 12:51 am • 17 0 • view
They were settled in ulster in an attempt to drive the Irish out of the cities and towns. This was part of the forced settlement and ethnic cleansing of Ireland in the 1600s.
sep 3, 2025, 2:43 am • 2 0 • view
I’m something of a genealogy nerd and this is one of my niche bits of knowledge: due to trading routes and the like, there is no distinct Scottish genealogy, only Scotch-Irish (because f the British) but there is a distinct Irish lineage. So he doubly erases the Irish.
sep 3, 2025, 12:54 am • 9 1 • view
I dunno. My family are lowland Scots who arrived in the Carolinas probably during the Scottish Marian Civil War in the 17th century
sep 3, 2025, 2:57 am • 0 0 • view
This goes back way further than the 17th century. Think pre-Roman. Think pre-land bridge collapse.
sep 3, 2025, 5:16 am • 1 0 • view
Then you're talking about early Celtic Pictish ppls ? Celtic migration of Gaels from Ireland and British Celtic tribes was around 1 st century BCE I believe.
sep 3, 2025, 5:34 am • 0 0 • view
It's whatever they need to think they're covering up their overt inadequacies. My people are sad & beyond pathetic. I loathe my culture. I travel overseas yearly just to get a break from them. How POC have tolerated my people for this long is mind blowing. Must be something righteous in Melanin. ✌️🖤
sep 3, 2025, 12:50 am • 3 0 • view
DimSchmitt.
sep 3, 2025, 1:16 am • 0 0 • view
oh lordy yes
sep 3, 2025, 12:41 am • 1 0 • view