We have to start bullying atheists who do religious hate crimes, theyāre escalating and itās Jewish people getting the brunt right now Theyāre violent. Theyāre also cowards. If we shut it down, theyāll stop. Cannot believe people are fighting against freedom of religion
Like this wishy-washy stuff when people are getting attacked? It shouldnāt fly in politics and I wonāt let it fly with religious expression Our problem should be with fundamentalists + the degradation between church/state, not people peacefully expressing harmless religious beliefs w accessories
Plus, pragmatically, freedom of religion means freedom from religion. If freedom of religion goes away because atheists think religious symbols are annoying, it wonāt be enforced atheism, itāll be forced Christianity. Duh. Use your heads.
So, while I pretty clearly specified atheist extremists (including, but not limited to, anti-theists) but didnāt explicitly say that because atheists FREAK OUT when implying theyāre part of a semi-organized, decentralized community structure, multiple atheists are responding with apologia
Which kinda proves my original point So thank you for openly acknowledging that your okay with anti-religious hate crimes, maybe do that outside of my mentions now
Weirdly āreligion is worse than no religionā when I am referring to hate crimes committed on the basis of religion AND seeing the justification āreligion shouldnāt existā isnāt a persuasive argument āWhy were they religiousā is literal victim-blaming bsky.app/profile/did:...
Also itās fascinating to me that everyone assumed I am Jewish. I am not. It is a running joke that most of the people around me are, but Iām not. Iām agnostic. Iāve been hassled (usually by atheists, if you can believe that) for being agnostic.
Most atheists are thankfully normal. Unfortunately, theyāre not the ones jumping into peopleās mentions for disagreeing with them about the validity of violence. It is my sincerely held agnostic spiritual belief that violence is bad. Apparently, extremists canāt tolerate this either.
I said āviolence is bad and we should socially ostracize people who do itā How is there any other way to read what I said
They don't get that their freedom to have whatever personal philosophy that the connect with is the same freedom that allows for myriad levels of religious belief and or cultural connection. I always wondered about 'revolutionary' folk that endorsed nations who ban religions, pretty retrograde.
Like do we need to start doing studies on fundamentalist atheism and how that murders freedom of expression for them to grasp thereās a connection? Soviet Russia banned brand logos on clothes ffs, give me a break
I thought I was so nice about this, I avoided saying anything about structural atheism as theyāve requested bc atheism doesnāt have factions (???), I blamed bad individual actors acting in small groups, I made allowances for their own sincerely held beliefs, like what more could I have done
They also end up not knowing anything about cultures they were not born to. You were being kind. My gut sez, outside of fundamentalist, religious or atheist, few folk believe that there is actually some big version of a person up in the sky, that even religious folk know it is parable.
for me this is one of the big things that upsets me with militant atheists, is the way they mock belief as a response to feeling bullied by people of faith (even when said person in question is a complete stranger). it's a weird hypocrisy that they feel justified in, and I don't understand *how*.
Itās sanctified Calvinism. āBecause *weāre* doing it, that means itās goodā. I am so tired. Did atheists never realize more people leaving religion wouldnāt stop them from being people?
no! bc you would not believe the amount of atheists who genuinely believe and attack people on the basis that religion is a *source* for human ignorance and suffering, an institution that has done nothing but hold humanity back - any of it's goods can be made by something better but as yet unnamed
it's ahistorical ASF but they don't seem to give a shit. it's a part of the mental framework of many of them, that it's institutions that erode the public good (explain that shit), and as a result it's ultimately the institutions that are the problem, not that institutions are made up OF PEOPLE
I know you know this but itās the reverse. People put systems and institutions in place as a fix to prevent them from being their worst selves.
exactly, and erosion of trust in institutions that are doing their best work is exactly how we ended up with the administration we have
Like you said, it ends up in these nations that ban religion, still have th majority religion in th background & it's all the minority belief systems that are ultimately repressed. Orthodox church survived USSR, Jews fled when they could. Cuba still is Catholic, other faiths there did not do as well
What who? Iāve never seen any atheists do religious hate crimes. They may be jerks online but thatās it.
Look up Quebec Pride today
I did and itās not showing any results that make sense to me. Iām not arguing with you I really have no idea what youāre referring to.
They tried to keep Jewish organizations out of Pride, then they organized throwing urine balloons at them instead Now, since saying this, Iāve had multiple atheists imply 1) they deserved on the basis of religion, 2) itās not a hate crime when itās against religious people anyway and
3) oh well Iām a genocide supporter for thinking hate crimes are bad. Since everyone is doing this because ā___ religion existsā, please explain to me, in small words if you please, how that isnāt fundamentalist extremism from atheists Unless you are going to tell me Pride was Catholic?
The assumption that queer Jews are supporters of Israel or Zionists just because weāre queer is very performative Judenhass and gets them respect from Christians because the atheist asshole can say to them, āitās nothing personalā. Nah, dog, Christendom harmed you.
I also feel like itās not my business. Like, if someone thinks Spain should separate or stay together, that isnāt my business. If someone supports Assad, I donāt want to be around them but if theyāre just standing around in public, still not my business!
For any links? Iād like to read more. Again, not arguing just lack of info for me.
On them trying to bar Jewish organizations: www.cbc.ca/news/canada/... On the hate crime: www.montrealgazette.com/news/article...
For me, this wasnāt about one incident. It was just the logical conclusion of saying āall religions suckā when religious people suffer harassment and violence. Which is why I think we should check it nowāand anyone who acts irl on āall religions suckā logicābefore it gets worse
And apparently asking for accountability and change from people who think they have opted out from social obligations made some very upset
Okay thank you I was really confused. I donāt know enough details to comment. Thank you, Iāll catch up on details.