Lol because these, in basically every single case, are from extremely blue cities and states I sure af hope Mamdani wins in NYC and not Cuomo! NYC is hella blue But I'd also take Manchin in WV & even Fetterman in PA- though I think PA could be better - still wouldn't be by much
At least we agree on Zorhan. As for your argument on blue areas... Trump came from a blue area and he won twice, and Bill Clinton (not a fan) is from a red state and won. I don't find that argument compelling. Either way, Manchin and Fetterman can take a long walk off a short pier.
I don't mean where they came from, I mean where they are running Biden, also, fwiw, WON in 2020 lol I'm not saying strong progressives shouldn't be nominees in CA, WA, NY, IL, or even CO But KY, WV, ND, SD, TX, IA, etc ? You need like 300 Joe Manchins.
Biden won because Trump crashed the economy and had a global pandemic he did nothing about (except the vaccine). You could run a piece of toast and it would win. Biden 2024 was too senile to run and Kamala stepped in, and LOST. And, no, you need to run as an independent in those states.
agree on the independent part - i doubt a Bernie type would play well beyond VT - he's old hat + VT is weirdly blue Running I's gives more "cover" for going further left- Dem brand that toxic! I've often wondered if D's just calling themselves I's would gain them like 10 pts in Fox News states
You almost made my point for me, which Bernie also made. The goal is to run as an independent and have leftist policies, avoiding Democratic labeling where it unfortunately is toxic, and, upon victory, they caucus with and effectively are Democrats. Then, with leftist policies in, everyone wins.
*Leftist running as an independent, I should clarify.