But United didn't deserve to draw because they didn't score. Apart from one raya save off Mbuemo. I struggle think of clear cut chances that United created.

Apart from that excellent save. And the save from Mbeumo's header. And the Mbeumo volley that flew just wide. And Dorgu's shot that hit the post. And Cunha's run and shot from his own half. And the well-worked ball into the 6 yard box that saw Saliba kick Cunha's feet out from under him.

The number of speculative efforts you've got on here just to pad out the list. If bayindir had let most of those in you would be calling it a GK mistake.

Cunha didn't catch hold of his shot after running through Arsenal from his own half, but that was a clear chance, and Mbeumo's volley, if it was a foot to the right, no keeper would be getting to. Arsenal get 3 points, that's all they care about, doesn't matter United were the better team.

United statistically created 0 big chances to Arsenal’s 1 big chance throughout the entire game so I don’t know where you’re getting these “clear chances” from…

From watching the game Ray.

Also nice work not understanding the second picture you sent, as that backs up my point that United did nothing close to Arsenal’s goal, as shown by Arsenal commanding the area around the box 🤣 United could have been out there for the last 20 hours having speculative shots and it would still be 1-0

The only point I'm making is that United were the better team yesterday, dominated the game and didn't deserve to lose on the balance of play. This against the team that finished 2nd last year and spent £200 million this summer to push for the title. Which was promising.

Listing out Arsenal spending 200 million as of United didn't do the same made me chuckle, not gonna lie. What plucky underdogs for dominating without creating chances when the opposition attack was disjointed.

On that I agree yeah. But listing off speculative shots and calling them “clear chances” is woefully incorrect. To be precise, United xG per shot yesterday was 0.069 which is exactly half of Arsenal’s who were extremely poor. If the game was 0-0 neither team could have any complaints with the result

Clear chance, big chances, it's all semantics. Calafiori's header from the goal had an xG of 0.6, which both skews averages and demonstrates that using your eyes still trumps using your Opta when it comes to judging the balance of play in football.

Nice stats; now show me the one for big (clear) chances. You know, the original point your were trying to make before pivoting to showing me two pictures that have literally zero to do with your original point

Which one, the penalty that wasn't given? The one that hit the post? The save from Cunha was world class so you can't mean that one. No keeper was getting to Dorgu's shot that hit the post. Mbeumo's header was a classic effort down into the turf, too close Raya but a clear cut chance.

If you had held on to ETH, you'd have had the same result!

Ah but that's just it: football isn't all about results! If the result was all that mattered, nobody would waste time going the games, Sky wouldn't bother sending cameras to the games, and we'd all just wait for the final score to appear in a cell on a spreadsheet. O jogo bonito!

I would recommend you re watch the game if you think that.

Nah mate, I watched the game alright. United weren't gonna score if we played until Thursday!

You don’t need to score to draw a game of football - you’d think with that name you’d be capable of thinking

You do if your keeper "throws one into the net". Keep up mate!

But that wasn’t the question

If you say so!

Well like YOU said. Our keeper threw one in the back of the net. So the answer to “Did Arsenal do enough to win this match” is also no. They did nothing to win this match. Our keeper gave them a goal. Or are you just going to shape your own logic to where it suits you?

Right, Arsenal didn't win the game. United gave us the game Such gracious hosts. We all saw how good gracious you were last season, seems like you intend to carry on the same way. Many more years to Amorim, the new ETH!

No, Arsenal won the game. They didn’t deserve to. That’s the point. You know full well if that was the other way around you’d be saying the same thing fella. Either way. You’ve contradicted yourself enough to render yourself moot. It’s a good result for you. Long live the ethereal runners up

So.. you are saying utd bottled it then?

Bottling it implies they are in a winning position to do so. So no. That’s not remotely what I’m saying. It’s very very simple. On reflection of the performance alone. And given, like you said, Bayindir gifted a goal. A 0-0 draw would have been a “fair” result imo Neither team deserved to score