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Jon @minogully.bsky.social

Seems the issue is more about the finer details of how it’s implemented, not with the general concept.

aug 13, 2025, 12:48 pm β€’ 9 0

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Garry Orvold 🟧 πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦ @garry42.bsky.social

I'm on the fence. I understand the logic, but it just doesn't seem right or fair. Speeding is speeding. Your income level should have no bearing on the fine amount. Yet I also understand the disparity in how much a fixed fine hurts some more than others. I could equally argue both sides. πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

aug 13, 2025, 1:36 pm β€’ 1 0 β€’ view
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Dwerkopp @dwerkoppimhimmel.bsky.social

You're not punishing wealthy people with fines. You're selling them a speeding. They just calculate this into the trip like a gas stop. Do you want them to stop speeding or is this a side hustle? Egalitarian is not equity.

aug 13, 2025, 1:39 pm β€’ 8 0 β€’ view
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Garry Orvold 🟧 πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦ @garry42.bsky.social

I get your point. Still not entirely convinced this is the right approach. Just my opinion...

aug 13, 2025, 1:41 pm β€’ 1 0 β€’ view
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Darkut @darkut.bsky.social

Someone drove their Porsche at 321km/h in a speed limit 120km/h area. This person doesn't care about the 700€ fine. In Denmark (iirc) behaving like that would mean losing the car, fine based on your wealth ... That hurts a lot more. If the fine isn't able to influence behaviour, you gotta adjust.

aug 13, 2025, 2:32 pm β€’ 3 0 β€’ view
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Jon @minogully.bsky.social

Seems similar to income level should have no bearing on the length of a prison sentence. And indeed, assuming all lawyers had the same level of competence, both the rich and the poor would serve the same punishment for the same crime.

aug 13, 2025, 1:53 pm β€’ 3 0 β€’ view
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Jon @minogully.bsky.social

If we frame the fine punishment in terms of how financially uncomfortable it makes a person, then a proportional fine by some qualitative metric of financial comfort would be equitable.

aug 13, 2025, 1:53 pm β€’ 2 0 β€’ view
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Jon @minogully.bsky.social

And since the goal is deterrence, the difference in punishment between income brackets would be more about how tolerant a person is to financial discomfort. Addressing this remaining inequity seems much blurrier since it’s so subjective.

aug 13, 2025, 1:53 pm β€’ 3 0 β€’ view
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Quigley @figleyquinch.bsky.social

"but it just doesn't seem right or fair." that's because you've been propagandized by capitalists. Punishment should mean something, no matter the perpetrator.

aug 14, 2025, 9:46 am β€’ 2 0 β€’ view