I’m sorry, when I have told men to “get fucked” I didn’t mean that as a policy issue

Gender studies and sexology are both dominated by left-leaning writers and teachers -- not insidiously, but bc the data shows right wing approaches are harmful to humans -- and they've been offering good messages for decades. What you want is already present.

Arguing that we're losing the messaging war is fine, as far as it goes, but Ian Dunt who started this thread wrote as if no one on the left is saying this. Dunt is decades late to the party (as are you). Men don't like what G/S finds? Then they've got a problem with reality.

Blaming the left for not talking about things they clearly have been talking about is arrogant nonsense. & assuming that men will listen to facts if they're just packaged correctly misses the mountains of evidence that 10s of Ms of ppl are rejecting reality in many areas - & not just bc "packaging"

The "fix" for this isn't "the left needs to start talking about dude's boners". Why? Because that itself is shallow bullshit that denies reality - the reality that we have been talking about dudes & sex the whole time.

If there's a fix for dudes voting GOP bc they're sad about their boners, it's the same fix for getting ppl out of QAnon-type conspiracy mindsets that promote reality denial. Meanwhile, if you run across a dude sad about his boner and thinking the GOP will fix it, tell him to take a sexology class.

I would prefer to tell him something that might actually have a higher than 0% chance of working. When you refuse to meet people at their level, they just ignore you. That’s the actual advantage the right has over the left in more than just this topic.

You missed the point where I don't give a fuck. What I do give a fuck about is you telling ppl that this could all be cured if the left would just throw a Be Nice To Boners Week. You want to meet ppl where they're at? Meet ppl here where we're at. And stop denying reality.

Lol, yep. If this is how you talk to someone who actually agrees with your viewpoint, I can only imagine how you talk to someone who may not. Have fun convincing people that you outwardly disdain to ally with your worldview. It would be funny if it wasn’t simultaneously so damn destructive.

I'm not the one trying to convince them. It's not my job to take care of straight men's boners. You're the one trying to convince me to be nice to straight men's boners. YOU WANT SOMETHING FROM ME, I DON'T NEED ANYTHING FROM YOU. Given that, you're the one who should be begging not lecturing.

Do you not see how saying that you don’t give a fuck about these people’s problems makes it certain that they in turn won’t give a fuck about anything you have to say?

I'm not being good at convincing you, bc I have nothing to convince you about except that you're being a dipstick and would be better off shutting up. But you want something, and how successful are you at getting it? Maybe you should be changing your strategy, cuz it's not working on me.

The left is the only political bloc that anyone ever tells to “meet them at their level”. How about they meet us at ours for a change?

Srsly.

The left hasn’t been losing the “messaging war”, the center-left has. Leftists are fantastic at messaging, but moderate Dems are ass at it, so they’ve been losing the center to the right. Your beef is with centrist shitlibs, not leftists.