If you don't see the value of strategic alliances with people you don't agree with 100%, then you will always lose. Newsom is waging an effective PR offensive against Trump right now. As Trump is clearly the bigger threat, it makes sense for people to support Newsom *on this*, if not the rest.

what is effective about it?

It's destabilizing Fox News pundits, for starters. Since the media won't say the emperor has no clothes, then it's up to prominent Dems to say it in a way that the media can't ignore.

is it though? or is it just giving them something to talk about? what material effect does it actually have, particularly when he turns around and platforms fascists?

I believe it is, and as someone who has followed politics for more than 40 years, I can tell you every little bit helps. Hence the value of strategic alliances. I did not agree with him platforming Kirk and others, but I also don't believe it indicated support for their positions from him.

he himself voiced support for their positions (also said his kid is apparently being radicalised by them). he is an empty bluster conservative looking for a path to power. he needs to be rejected hard. this isn’t an ‘enemy of my enemy’ thing, trump doesn’t care about him

It *is* an enemy of my enemy thing, totally. Strategic alliances. You can't help trans people if Trump becomes president-for-life. No one said to vote for Newsom. One can support him against Trump and still vote against him if he ever gets into the Primaries.

Your vague contextless previous comment made it impossible to tell if you supported Newsom *on this* or if you were the type of person to harass anyone who hasn't sworn allegiance to him.

What previous comment?

Then the fact it was someone else's comment makes even less sense for you to defend it, as you have no idea what their intent behind it was.

Why? I agree with the quote from Newsom (assuming it's genuine) and I think I correctly I interpreted the response to it. I'm not sure what you're trying to do here. Do you have an issue with the argument I presented?

And throwing homeless and trans people under the bus. I'd rather follow someone who doesn't step on the already-marginalized.

No one's asking you to follow anyone. Right now Newsom is trolling Trump, and I support that. I can still disagree with him on other things. Hence the use of the word "strategic" in my previous comment.

hey friend, there is no need to bring Gavin into this thread and then protest when other people dislike that act. Zohran and Gavin are not the same. Just go in peace.

I know they're not the same, but they have more in common than most people here would care to admit. They do disagree on some issues, clearly, but AFAIK Newsom hasn't spoken out against Mamdani nor endorsed Cuomo.

there is no value in "strategic alliances" with fascists and bigots. hasn't the scorpion and the frog taught you ANYTHING?

The fascists and bigots are Trump and his supporters. "No way I would ever vote for the Social Democrats!" said the Communist as the Nazi guards shoved him in the gas chamber.

trump supporters & LITERALLY Gavin Newsome, who just had a bigot love fest with Charlie Kirk. Who does photo ops destroying meager possessions of houseless people. This is America, plenty of bigotry to go around. Your ignorant Weimar references notwithstanding, NOW you don't have to give him oxygen

A "bigot love fest" is an exaggeration. He shouldn't have platformed Kirk, but he didn't agree with him on a majority of issues. But again, you miss the point of what a strategic alliance is. As for my Weimar reference, it's not ignorant. It's satirical. So you not know the difference?

Are you part of an AstroTurf op? Is that why you're lying your ass off online? If you stay so memorized with Newsome and help him become the nominee, you will share the fault for democrats losing again.

I'm not lying about anything. Why are you so hell-bent about starting a fight? Just agree to disagree and move on. Also, what was fundamentally wrong with my Weimar analogy?

"an exaggeration" gfy

Yes, an exaggeration. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. Have a nice day.

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