See, that’s exactly it. People worship Star Trek: TNG, however season one of it is dogshit. Literally let the actors breathe in the role for a bit, and I bet you’re going to get some fire. Also, some great lightsaber fight choreography??? I love to see them do something new with the saber fights.
Absolutely! Star Wars needs to do some things differently from time to time to stay relevant and fresh. They need to look at the Jedi’s through a different lens and explore the galaxy outside the original trilogy.
But that's the big problem...when you out out books, comics, & games faster than you put out shows & movies, it makes it hard to find an area that ISN'T connected to the OT that is free of existing stories. With the Old Republic books/comics, you'd have to go back a thousand years to find
a spot that gives you the freedom to tell a story free from being connected to the OT. And you NEED to RESPECT the source material. Tell a good story instead of boasting about the diversity of the cast and tell a bad story. And that is for the most part, what the Disney era has been:
"Look at how diverse our casts are and if you complain about how bad the shows/movies are, then you're a racist/sexist/bigot".
See, I think you’re maybe conflating some items. ‘Look at how diverse our cast is’ is one thing, and complaining about plot is another thing. What, precisely, is your concern with the diversity in the cast that you need to bring it up as a talking point as opposed to talking about the plot?
Yes, true, it is hard to have content not in some way linked to the stories already put out for Star Wars, but even if you look at extended universe/legends, A LOT of Star Wars contradicts itself.
I’m not disagreeing on the point that I’d like to see Disney take their time more with the Star Wars content, and not just pump out content for the sake of meeting their quota. Book of Boba Fett for example was a clear line of ‘We did not understand this character, or are unwilling to let him be bad
Even Temuera Morrison tried to get the writers and directors to give him less voice lines. He kept saying ‘Fennic should be saying this, I should literally just sit there and be intimidating.’ Not well thought out about what makes the character what he is IMO.
lol, yeah, though in my mind, I'm giving him a pass by believing spending a couple years in the Sarlacc belly some brain issues that changed his personality. lol.
I mean I guess that puts some perspective on life, but I dunno man… He’s still trying to be a crime boss, even if he’s trying to be a… What, better crime boss? Gooder?
It's not the diversity in the cast that is the problem. It is when the PR for your show/movie focuses solely on the diversity of the cast instead of what the show/movie brings to the lore. When before a movie/show comes out, you say "If you don't like this, then you're racist/bigot/etc."
Yes, you have John Boyega as a stormtrooper-turned-hero who is also black, then why is his character so...lack luster? Same thing with Marvel's The Eternals. Wonderful cast, but more focus was put into showing the diversity of the cast instead of making sure the plot was solid.
You call out John Boyega specifically. I actually agree that his character was lackluster, however I personally wouldn’t place that on acting at all. They wrote him like he was going to be a baby Jedi like Rey, even had him wielding a saber, but did nothing with it. That my friend is poor writing.
I personally thought his performance and acting was spot on for what I expected from a shellshocked ex stormtrooper. His fight with TR-8R I thought was fun, because it was personal for that trooper, and made a great dynamic between a loyalist and rebel. But then they basically wrote nothing got him.
See, I had valid complaints I feel, but that still has absolutely nothing to do with ‘pushing diversity.’ Specifically mentioning the fact that John Boyega is black comes off as you having a problem with that fact. I know you didn’t ask for my advice, but if you don’t want to come off that way…
I wasn't placing it on his acting, but on them hyping him up (I vividly recall the Disney PR going on about him being the first black lead in a Star Wars film) and then giving him nothing to work with. It was like they were saying, we just need him for his race.
Which if this is Disney’s stance, then we need to place the blame on Disney not giving their character’s good writing, which still has nothing to do with having a diverse cast (or worse, means Disney is specifically writing out those characters)
TNG, DS9, Voyager, Stargate, Stargate Atlantis and so on all had weak first seasons compared to what followed. Tv shows had time to mature before YouTube gave pricks a chance to ruin everything for us.
I haven’t watch the first season of TNG in long time. lol for good reasons
Yes, the only season with a Bottle-Show in it....
Yes, but those where different times. The TV Networks calculated with three seasons until a show was established. Today, its a "You have one shot" business.
I agree! Instant gratification culture is a blight, and it kills creativity, because you don’t have a chance to course correct, and learn from your mistakes. It’s either ‘you did it perfect,’ or ‘you failed, show cancelled.’
Sometimes you can have a prefect first season but still get cancelled for some reason. Example: The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance.
As much as I adored that show, the amount of time it took to produce the original movie (5 years) and how long it took to produce the first season (undisclosed, but ‘Awhile.’) it is honestly a wonder that they got the budget even to do the first season. Amazing TV though, felt just like the movie.
Agree. But Netflix does like to throw money around. Also it was nominated for an Emmy.
I read that it all comes down to how many people watch it when it’s launched, if it doesn’t go in the top ten watched then the lose confidence in it.
Yes, because in this fast paced business, there is no second try or slow burn. Next week, the show will be forgotten already.
Even though everything the make stays available for ever unlike in the days of broadcast tv when something was on tv once a week for an hour for 6 weeks and that was your shot. It’s mad
Yes, the content is there in the wastness of the Cloudspace. And nobody is watching it. Thats the nature of a Subscription driven system. The Content itself doesnt matter. What matters is, that there is Content so that the people keep the Subscriptions alife.
Or everyone liked season 1 so we will force out 2 more seasons even if their are absolute shit
Lol yeah. Love to see a show that wrapped itself up in one season, and then they bring on the second season like ‘Why??? Everything was done, nice and tidy.’
They are plenty of shows that have meh or bad first seasons but the next season will course correct then become classics. Parks and Rec, Seinfeld, and The Simpson. On streaming they would be cancelled like 🫰
No one watched the office when the BBC first broadcast it, then look at what became of it
Yeah it’s bullshit, we’ve been denied some good tv