I find this interesting - slight difference between female's wording based on politics. Suggestion is that once these young women start getting with these conservative guys, they want to get away from them via 'financial independence'

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I think to achieve that fame and influence you have to really consider giving up any number of things rank 1-12 and I don’t think thats a compromise we’re willing to take

In my personal experience growing up in the YouTube and Twitch eras, we saw fame and influence (at least on the internet) as a shortcut to success. As a lot of us have entered adulthood having tried out that path, it sucks the life out of you and it’s just not worth it.

The ranking of "Helping others" and "Emotional stability" tracks.

The difference in where Trump voters and Harris voters placed “having emotional stability” is, uh, worrisome

Seeing a whole lot of Gender in this survey

having spoken to zoomers who think the influencer/fame thing looks cool it really just means success to them. like. they can see what a standard career looks like and it looks like grind, and that thing doesn't. that is the main appeal

the fact that a lot of people have visibly made themselves rich or at least successful by doing something that it is clear that anyone could, in theory, do ("be very popular on the internet") just makes that seem appealing, even if the fame/influence part has zero appeal

same idea behind monetizing your hobbies

its not about the fame its about the fulfillment which is ranked 1

Yeah, I think they’re telling the truth on that one. They aren’t volunteering for the headaches that fame brings, but to be the type of person who is so celebrated professionally that they can start a public Instagram and immediately have 1m followers if they want.

Right like thats why i would consider writing/creating content. One reason i dont that is i dont want a public profile

As a kid-haver, I was a little surprised to see kids at 12 doe female Harris voters though I guess MAGA would say “duh”

i swear the lib/conservative split on children is legitimately the fact that by 20-29 you're expected to already be married mostly in conservative households

This is one of many "living like a social conservative" life hacks that is super useful (and often practiced by those who are not social conservatives because it's not really ideological). Being able to co-mingle finances and no longer splitting housing expenses is **huge** in your mid-late 20s.

To my continued surprise and bafflement, I ended up married in my mid20s and am still married a decade later. I absolutely did not intend to live like a social conservative, and it bothers me that JD Vance would approve of my lifestyle

People have looked around and noticed "wow poor rural whites live like they believe the stuff pointy-headed Resistance Libs do" & "oh shit, vice versa!" when it comes to *marriage and family* stuff. You'd think that Success Sequence push was coming out of Lefty think tanks instead of Righty ones!

parents' beliefs underbought here

It may also just be that they want those things, but don't see it as "success". "Being married" means nothing if it's to a lowlife. And having kids is extra stressful if you're not financially able to give them a good life. It's really easy to marry and have kids if your standards are shit.

And now that I look at it, it's really weird that those two are generic, but it's not "have a job", but rather "have a fulfilling career". It's not "make money", it's "have financial independence". They placed the bar higher on those things.

My take on Gen Z is they understand really well that normie careers benefit companies more than individuals. Being an influencer is an appealing alternative, but also appealing does not necessarily mean "I want that for myself."

trump men apparently plan to die working and in the grips of lunacy while their wives manage the kids and everything about their lives, really surprising that more women aren't willing to sign up for that

the differences between most of these will be statistically indistinguishable

"influencer" has a very low barrier to entry. So just about everyone has gotten to try their hand at growing a following or at least knows someone who did. And you quickly learn that that shit isn't for 99.9% of people.

Well they may also be lying.

the two righthand columns are, uh, interesting

Male Gen Z Trump Voter: “Having children = getting laid” Male Gen Z Harris Voter: “Having children = major life decision I’m not ready for quite yet”

I hope it is accurate. I tend to think it is. I would love to see "influencer" culture peak & wither

We're past the gold rush is the thing. Enough people have tried it and view it as not worth it. Personally never met a happy influencer, even a successful one - they generally tend to have an office worker "it's a living" attitude.

Being self-employed is rough. Being self-employed at the whims of the peanut gallery? Woof

You're basically doing high stakes customer service all the time, just a constant performance. And those videos take time to edit, and you're recording shit at cafes where you can see the servers rolling their eyes at you, and it doesn't actually pay that much...

the 'having emotional stability' placement here really says a lot

It also seems to go against the Materialist Argument that permeates the Dialogue

The differences between financial independence and "have enough money to do the things you want to do" are kind of interesting to me

Financial independence: passive income greater than fixed expenses Have enough money: FU money is how I parse it.

Very interesting that the typical definition of independence is “having sufficient assets to ensure you never need to work again” but in this context could easily have been interpreted as “not need to rely on parents for any $”.

Yeah exactly. I wasnt sure how to parse it at all

just realizing retire early is also on there

i mean a lot of these just overlap, like i care about 'having enough money to do what i want' but 'what i want' can include several other things on here (owning a home, having children, retire early, etc.)

For sure but like 4 of them being plausible rewordings of each other is not great

The second option is probably how I would have answer.

They could be lying

The influencer boom may be over

I think the methodology (13 rank 3) means you’re probably getting garbage at the low end

There will be more noise at the low end for sure. The list is just too long. But ranking & choice based questions are still so much better than scales. We need to see more of them.

I do think that the true silent majority is people who hate attention seeking dipshits. "Influencers" over-index on any metric based on attention because that's their currency.

Putting “fame & influence” rank 1 sounds kind of desperate and uncool, whereas the things they actually put in rank 1-3 can be both/either the source and/or the result of fame and influence, which shows that they understand the influencer culture!

How?

Interesting how Trump voters rank having kids 3 spots above getting married, while Harris voters have being married above having kids, while also having them adjacent (which makes sense)

I know dating apps are reporting that Harris voters are not simpatico with men who voted for Trump, but this really outlines the reasons why they won’t match