Instead, we should let them gamble with our lives?

One of us is gambling with the stakes being life and actual death on the line, the other, comfort.

Dismissing everyone else's concerns as "comfort" is not going to win anyone over and only further alienate people.

understand that if your position is "it's good and right to sacrifice this marginalized group for the greater good of the party," you should be alienated

Okay, is trump signing EOs with the express purpose to kill you, specifically? Yes or no

This is a hypothetical about a Newsom presidency in 2029 where he signs EOs with the express purpose to kill you.

hm, i wonder how on earth we ever might identify how newsom would legislatively target trans people. if only he ever said, on the record while knowingly being recorded, what he thinks should be done

"People should not be allowed to transition at 25" Literally a paraphrased quote from Newsom a few months ago. Literally taking what trump is doing but WORSE! He's expanding upon what Trump is DOING

Oh wait, did it become illegal for you to have an accurate passport? Is the government trying to criminalize your medicine? Have any states banned you from public restrooms? Are you not allowed to play sports with your friends?

Is Newsom doing this right now?

He literally said that he agrees that trans people shouldn't be allowed to transition until 25, EXPANDING ON TRUMPS OWN BAN. HE IS LITERALLY AGREEING THAT WHAT TRUMP IS DOING IS RIGHT AND WANTS TO DO IT BUT WORSE!

If you actually watched that exchange, he didn't say that. Just said that he understood the concerns.

Ooooooh! He just "understood the concerns!" which are 100% right-wing bullshit. That doesn't help your case.

Moving from that to him wanting to ban all treatment is quite a leap. I've followed you for years and have almost always agreed with you but this is nonsense. Just salting the earth before the primary even begins. I saw that in 2013 re: Hillary and that worked out great.

hilary clinton was a fucking terrible candidate hope this helps

jesus fucking christ more bernie voters voted for clinton than clinton voters voted for obama shut the fuck up and move on

Yes, we'll praise the cissies who determines what's best for us, hail the cis power, hail Newsom!

oh, is the primary starting tomorrow? i must have missed that among all the news of dc being occupied and our government trying to deport children to guatemala where they know they'll die

What does Hillary running a shit campaign have to do with letting the party know early we don't want another Fetterman? It's what we should be doing

I don't think it's a leap. The fact that he knew to go, "right, right, 25 years old!" shows that his brain has been stewing in anti-trans nonsense. That's one of the most common right-wing talking points, and he brought it up unprompted. The anti-trans movement has his ear. He's not to be trusted.

He's with the fascists on trans sports bans, and he goes further than them on banning transitioning. Furthermore, there's zero legitimate reason for those stances, he's just trying to appease fascists. Fascists can't be appeased, they'll always push for more, so Gavin will get pushed further.

Newsom has suggested that trans people shouldn't be allowed to transition until 26, has said he completely agrees with the right when it comes to sports, and that's absolutely just an excuse to erase all rights. I have eyes. I saw what happened in the UK when they elected transphobes.

From Erin Reed's own article, that isn't what he said about 26. He doesn't completely agree with the right on sports. Your position is that electing Newsom in 2028 would be worse than Vance (or whoever) because while Republicans are going to be awful, Newsom just "might" be awful? Insane take.

My position is that you're a fucking idiot to be annoying people with yOu wOuLdNt vOtE fOr gAvIn nEwSoM?!?!? when we're over threw years away from an election, we're opening concentration camps, power is being consilidated, families torn apart, rights trampled, lives ruined, and cities occupied.

I don't give a shit if someone would vote for Gavin Newsom. I'm too busy trying to figure out how high on the list I am for the concentration camps and what can be done to stop ICE, and you're here harassing people who are just as high, if not higher on the list?

Get some real problems kid. Do something to fight fascism now rather than fighting trans people on the internet about what they'll do 3+ years from now in an election that which you have no idea what it'll look like.

I am not willing to risk what happened in the UK happening here. And that means drawing a line. Look, if Newsom wants to apologize to trans people for the shit he's done, he's welcome to. He won't, though. Because he agrees with Kirk & co. bsky.app/profile/park...

And Labour's 11% approval rating should be a sign to Democrats to never do that. Why isn't that even addressed here?

Look, if Newsom wants trans people to stop shit-talking him, he needs to actually reach out to trans people, make clear what his stances are (and if he says anything about people having "a point" about sports, that's a dealbreaker), and apologize to trans people. He won't do any of this though.

Don't worry, the cissies know what's good and best for us, hail Newsom am I right?

Newsom would legitimize and push anti-trans policy throughout the Democratic Party. It would be the end of the relative safety of blue states for trans people and mean zero chance of getting federal protections. It's worse for us than Vance because it eliminates opposition to anti-trans crackdowns.

I find it rather demeaning that you assume everyone who has advocated for trans issues for years would throw you under the bus because Gavin said so.

It's already been happening, including to my personal network. Trans youth are in more danger in blue states than they were last year, from local Dem governments. We stop this now, or it goes the way of the UK under Labour.

You are, in this very thread, throwing trans people under the bus by chiding us for criticizing Gavin (a known transphobe and credible threat to our rights) three years before the next election...