This case has become political but we can’t lose sight of law enforcement concerns & the importance of public safety. The question is whether traditional values of DOJ will stay in play or whether this case will be about politics, not about protecting the public. open.substack.com/pub/joycevan...
“The question is whether traditional values of DOJ will stay in play or whether this case will be about politics” Asked, and answered. I don’t know what “traditional DOJ values” you’re referring to, but any question of DOJ politicization is already moot.
Good point
Easy answer to that question.
What values?
Are you serious? Everything with this administration, especially the DOJ, is political and vindictive. Literally everything.
*Really* helpful explanatory piece. Highly recommend.
* This is the kind of chaos of leadership that will happen when Russia nukes America under the Trump Fox News appointees inexperienced administration. *
The FBI under Patel is the Keystone Cops now 👊🇺🇸🔥
It will be about politics and as for law and order… We’re on our own for at least the next three and a half years.
Traditional values are gone, Joyce.
Yea now that the Epstein case has trumps family all over it
Trump has created an authoritarian state and his redneck racist regime has got to go. FUCK ICE.
The DOJ no longer has any values, traditional or otherwise. Anyone thinking they will rise to any occasion and serve the country over the orange narcissist is living in a dream world.
Your experience, and your willingness to share, are calming sanity. Thank you.
It’s not even a serious question under this administration. Patel and Bongino had to get their faces at the press conference.
It’s really not a question anymore as clearly demonstrated by the moronic press conference and Ill informed SM posts.
All about politics, #PedoPrez and Patel do give a damn about protecting the public. #ReleaseEpsteinFiles
are they searching for the Epstein files too?
Traditional values of DOJ got shot--in the neck #Fascism
"...question is whether traditional values of DOJ will stay in play" They haven't been for a while now, Joyce. Everything goes to the top, which can negate or fabricate anything happening in the field. The top, the head of the DOJ, is a corrupt tool of the administration.
I agree. I have been concerned that the FBI has been gutted and the best agents are sitting on their hands instead of hunting this young man.
The latter.
100%!!!
The traditional values that let Garland not do his job? LOL
A very important question Joyce
Does this administration do anything to “protect” the public? Everything they do seems to be about destroying institutions from within. Hasn’t that been the plan since 2016 when the 7x bankrupted reality tv show host was installed?
The traditional values of what used to be the DOJ (now known as the Department of Jokesters) have already been decimated. We can no longer look to that clown car for any semblance of justice, fairness, or a source of constitutional protection. The same goes for the SCOTUS Cartel of Six.
Gone with the wind! 🫠
The ineptitude of these new heads of FBI or their ability to cover up/control the narrative is now rising to the surface! I hope the career professionals will be able to do their jobs and catch the guy, not gonna hold my breath, but maybe they start to wake up and see the better path forward!
I'm gonna have to guess that public safety will go to the wayside & political themes will be the focus of the investigation. I also think the public isn't likely in danger because I think this was a hit. The DOJ, FBI, & SS probably already know more than they will ever admit. This could be a show.
I wish I believed they cared Everything about this administration is pure SHOW, pure POLITICS, pure BULLSHIT! They DON’t give a shit about public safety! Or the public period! Sad but true!😔
Joyce can you respond with your take on why there has been NO ME (MEDICAL EXAMINER) report , no hospital of record, no official cause/time of death no mention of retrieval of the spent round from the body or scene to use in forensic analysis to match the gun?
I think we know the answer to that, Joyce .
I question whether we'll get the truth about the suspect, i.e., motive, ideology, etc. Or will they make him what they're already saying he is...
There’s a question? I think we all know the answer.
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Agree 100% with the sentiment, but she's an attorney, not Joyce of Arc
protecting the public? the fbi?
It’s all about politics…and ignorance and narcissistic incompetence.
Why is the FBI even involved in this shooting?
Cmon, it's already about politics
FBI: We are sharing this surveillance video and need help from the public to identify the suspect. Public
Exactly. Will Trump turn law-enforcement and military against the citizens regardless of whether we’ve committed a crime or not?
It started because of politics. Now youd like politics to be removed. I don’t think you’ll get your wish.
Until this regime is out of office, everything will be about politics.
Clots in hairs.
Hmm, I wonder what the corrupt DOJ will do?
Door #2.
Thank you, Joyce. Great reminder of how things should work & are not working now.
Not a question. We know the answer.
Thank you Counselor!
Is there really a question there you don’t know the answer to?
The public was never at risk…DT’s team made sure to hire an expert sniper!
They blew it last time and an innocent bystander died.
Likely no! The bystander death was to sell the story.
Maybe, it’s in a pile of unknowns and indeterminateness for me tho. It’s all getting exhaustingly weird too. Some conspiracies are actually starting to look rational as the president and his pet fascists become less rational & there are definitely things going on behind closed doors that are extreme
Thank you, Joyce. So far the most cautious & straightforward official I’ve seen in this case is Beau Mason, the Commissioner of the Utah Depart of Public Safety. Gov Cox sounds extremely partisan, judgmental and eager to impress Patel and give Trump want he wants. youtu.be/nyzESUy_H8Y?...
There Is a question.
The video taken from Charlie’s left side shows the actual bullet when it comes from the crowd on the opposite side. People have slowed it down and it is very clear the trajectory is from that angle. They initially had a guy from the crowd, but then changed it??
Please watch this ASAP. I guarantee Zuckerberg will have this removed. You cannot see the shot so this is not graphic. But I have seen the graphic one & IMMEDIATELY following the order to shoot Kirk is shot. MAGA orchestrated the whole thing! www.threads.com/@allbrightbr...
One thing that continually pops into my mind during ::gestures broadly:: is that this book exists:
Everything is political.
With Ka$h and Bongino on the ground in Utah, what do you think?
Joyce… law enforcement and public safety are no longer aligned. Homeland Security began after 9/11 to protect Americans from terrorists. HS is now used to terrorize Americans.
Sorry, that's not a question.
As long as this administration is in play we may never again know facts and truth. The tidal wave of deception, lies and misinformation are their tools to control and manipulate the population. They are out of control.
I believe everyone in the US with the exception of the truly ignorant would tell you they don’t feel safe now.
I seriously doubt, given who sits in the Oval Office, that this investigation will absolutely be political,
This might have been a question in like November 2024. I mean did you read the FBI agent suit today and the sections on Emil Bove? If you think “traditional values of DOJ” are somehow lingering around you are whistling past the graveyard
Not really much of a question these days
These photos of the “suspect”….. supposedly taken *after* the shooting *before* discarding the 100 yr old, bolt action 30-06 rifle in the woods…….. someone want to guess what’s wrong with this picture?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
The FBI's chaotic behavior is disturbing in two ways. First, I have no doubt there are competent field officers at work, but what is the head of the FBI doing tweeting about a *live* case? That seems...unorthodox. And what's with the mistaken person of interest and tweeting about that serious flub?
We already know the answer to that question. They didn't get their Reichstag moment, but they're still trying to pull a Horst Wessel.
That Ship sailed when Comey made his announcement about Hillary. Then when the DOJ didn't prosecute Trump right away, on the known facts. That's Merritt Garland's lasting legacy. I don't know if could ever be repaired. It seems to me the DOJ needs to be under Congress or the Courts. Not POTUS.
Too late.
Thank you for posting this excellent article. I think the administration will learn that firing its most experienced law enforcement personnel and prosecutors was not a good idea.
I hope that they are capable of learning but I’m not sure they are. Distressing and depressing…
not really a question though is it? All of this horrible madness boils down to a simple dichotomy: Dem governments do things for people MAGA governments do things to people
But we’re not talking about Epstein….
Totally inept FBI leadership, Patel and Bingobongo go to Utah to head up the investigation?! Ha! Or to cover up what really happened? Why did they fire the leading Utah FBI investigator just last week? Why did the Vice President fly the body to DC? Weird shit. We will never know the truth.
Don't know how many qualified folks are left at the FBI, but pretty sure they won't be listened to, if facts don't fit the desired narrative.
If the person turns out to be a right wing nut will he get charged with a parking ticket or jaywalking
Unfortunately, people are beginning to retaliate without any evidence. www.santafenewmexican.com/news/local_n...
The FBI’s objective has always been to (i) hire smart people, (ii) they have a good moral compass and (iii) give them a voice. You can kiss that shit goodbye. Unqualified, unfit, Trump loyalists are now the “best” FBI we can do. America’s National Security has been SO compromised.
