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Kerry Howley @kerryhowley.bsky.social

exactly

apr 21, 2025, 9:50 pm • 15 0

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Henry Farrell @himself.bsky.social

I think this is a very big part of it - it has been clear for a while that the generalizer-for-hire model of substack has not been good for him - but the specific Elon Musk savior fixation seems distinct and has been getting much, much worse.

apr 21, 2025, 9:59 pm • 57 0 • view
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Brendan Nyhan @brendannyhan.bsky.social

also audience capture and the way being too online seems to break people's brains

apr 21, 2025, 10:01 pm • 45 0 • view
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jesseewiak.bsky.social @jesseewiak.bsky.social

All bloggers and pundits should follow the lesson of the Lawyers, Guns, and Money blog and regularly say and do things that piss off their commenters and never apologize for doing so.

apr 22, 2025, 6:50 pm • 0 0 • view
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Dan Davies @dsquareddigest.bsky.social

I would not necessarily blame online; you can break someone's brain in exactly the same way and a lot quicker by getting them a column in a newspaper.

apr 21, 2025, 11:58 pm • 8 0 • view
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Dara Lind @daralind.bsky.social

+++. Freedom is choosing an audience capture

apr 21, 2025, 10:05 pm • 6 1 • view
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Henry Farrell @himself.bsky.social

Yes - I suspect there is a point of online fame past which you can only make it if you are either (a) incredibly mentally robust, or (b) just turn off comments and completely ignore feedback from people you don't know and trust.

apr 21, 2025, 10:09 pm • 27 0 • view
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Andres Freund @anarazel.de

Noah also simply has no other job than being online after leaving Bloomberg and doing substack full time. Zero forced professional interactions that aren't just online stuff. No editor. Not that I want to excuse the crazy stuff, but I do think that's not a recipe for staying healthy.

apr 21, 2025, 10:18 pm • 57 1 • view
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Andres Freund @anarazel.de

I do think it's interesting that he can still write some reasonably interesting posts, while suffering from severe Twitter brain.

apr 21, 2025, 10:19 pm • 8 1 • view
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Henry Farrell @himself.bsky.social

I thank god for editors regularly

apr 21, 2025, 10:21 pm • 14 0 • view
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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com

Andres makes very good points, when I met Noah he was a professor and eventually had the Bloomberg column. Then it was just the column. Now it’s just blogging and posting

apr 21, 2025, 10:23 pm • 19 0 • view
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Eric Blyler @ericblyler.bsky.social

uh oh, someone needs to stage a Matt Yglesias intervention.

apr 21, 2025, 11:55 pm • 1 0 • view
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Will Stancil @whstancil.bsky.social

Jesus Christ this is like a nightmarish cautionary tale about why to never monetize

apr 21, 2025, 11:48 pm • 25 0 • view
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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com

Yeah originally he was just blogging for fun while working at Stoneybrook

apr 21, 2025, 11:50 pm • 11 0 • view
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Will Stancil @whstancil.bsky.social

People periodically try to get me to make money from the internet and I’ve always refused, and I think this is what I needed to hear to refuse forever

apr 21, 2025, 11:51 pm • 20 0 • view
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Thom Scott-Phillips @thomscottphillips.bsky.social

I often wonder what would happen if editors at academic journals behaved more like editors in the media There would be so much complaining, but I low key suspect it would improve the landscape

apr 22, 2025, 3:50 am • 1 0 • view
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Joanna Bryson @j2bryson.bsky.social

They used to be very much the same. Not only is mandatory peer review relatively new historically, even in the naughts I got additional reviews/edits from old school editors AFTER I cleared it. In the 1990s even some older (archival) conference editors did this, to establish uniform style & quality.

apr 22, 2025, 5:28 am • 0 0 • view
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Thom Scott-Phillips @thomscottphillips.bsky.social

Yeah. I’m loosely aware that editors were more active only just before my time. I had one or two such experiences early in my career and it’s a positive. These days most editors just adjudicate the balance of reviewer opinion

apr 22, 2025, 6:28 am • 1 0 • view
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Thom Scott-Phillips @thomscottphillips.bsky.social

They do this because of the incentives acting on them. Another reason why the present publishing and journal system is broke

apr 22, 2025, 6:29 am • 0 0 • view
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Going Local @nrbq.bsky.social

No editor.

apr 22, 2025, 12:25 am • 0 0 • view
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jamelle @jamellebouie.net

i think this is a big part of it. it is important to have a life outside of being online! family, hobbies, literally anything!

apr 21, 2025, 11:40 pm • 72 2 • view
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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com

Are you implying that rabbits don't count

apr 21, 2025, 11:44 pm • 10 0 • view
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Bisquey Rizzness @justmicah.bsky.social

rabbit is good friend [because rabbit doesn't say "that's really fucked up why would you say that"]

apr 21, 2025, 11:49 pm • 5 0 • view
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The Last Despair Bender @jsthrill.modphi.com

He wrote a whole post/thread about how to do this!

Noah Smith • @ @Noahpinion • 1d 1/OK, by popular request, here is a thread on how to have a friend group in your 30s. There are lots of things I'm not good at, like remembering people's names, debugging code, and toosball. But having a friend group is one thing I am quite good at. Here are my secrets... @ 63 L7 329 C 1,875企 Noah Smith • @ @Noahpinion • 1d 2/There are a number of reasons having a friend group gets harder in your 30s. These include: 1. People have more work and child care 2. Jobs make people move around 3. Getting older means loss of shared social context, since life experiences diverge Noah Smith > @ @Noahpinion • 1d 3/This means that you actually have to work at having a friend group. But it's a good thing to have, so it's worth working at. Friend groups don't just provide you with companionship and emotional support --they help you define and retain a record of your life. 2 L713 © 318 个 Noah Smith • @ @Noahpinion • 1d 4/There are essentially two things that are very useful for having a friend group. Neither is absolutely necessary, but both are extremely helpful. These are: 1. A gathering place 2. A shared activity 1718 • Noah Smith DE @ @Noahpinion •1d 10/ For most friend groups, the shared activity is either food or -- to be depressingly honest -- alcohol/drugs. As you age, alcohol/drugs become even less of a good idea, so food is probably best here. Since the dawn of time, humans have shared meals as a way of blah, blah, blah. 8 Ly 13 企 Noah Smith > • • @Noahpinion • 1d 11/ For example, you could have a hot pot club. This is how I assembled a friend group in 2018-19, before Covid struck. Every couple of weeks we'd go for hot pot. Hot pot, pot luck, and grilling/bbq are inherently communal forms of cooking/ eating. 4 L 11 205 Noah Smith DE @ @Noahpinion •1d 17/The other benefit of a gathering place and a shared activity is that they help introduce new friends. People bring new people to the hangout spot, or to the hot pot dinner, etc. The friend group grows and branches out. 173 0 122 Noah Smith DE@ @Noahpinion•1d... 18/In fact, friend groups are not well-defined things, like gangs or organizations. They are porous and subjective -- once the group gets large enough, it will not be the case that everyone in the group is individually close with everyone else in the group. That's fine.
apr 21, 2025, 11:49 pm • 2 0 • view
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brad @bradiscranky.bsky.social

not to mention sunk costs. if musk is who the rest of us think he is then noah is quite lost and quite bad at his job. which is, of course, unpossible

apr 21, 2025, 10:03 pm • 1 0 • view
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Maxim Raginsky @mraginsky.bsky.social

This sort of generalism has been the hallmark of economist-as-public-intellectual for a while (cf. Freakonomics), but the incentive structure of Substack + X tends to amplify the negatives by attenuating any sort of critical feedback.

apr 21, 2025, 10:56 pm • 4 0 • view
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Ted Underwood @tedunderwood.me

A part of it may be very simple: he's likely making significant money from the intersection of Substack and X, and that tends to incentivize a positive view of Musk

apr 21, 2025, 10:16 pm • 11 0 • view
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Henry Farrell @himself.bsky.social

I used to know him somewhat (and think he is a decent and sincere person fwiw), and I think that this is a genuine embrace on his part of Elon Musk greatness.

apr 21, 2025, 10:20 pm • 15 0 • view
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Andres Freund @anarazel.de

I think there's a granule of truth there that parts of today's online left sometimes forgets. If you compare pre/post-spacex space stuff, you see a truly remarkable shift in the early 2010s. ULA (i.e. boeing) era US, and really world wide, space flight was depressing.

apr 21, 2025, 10:35 pm • 2 0 • view
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Andres Freund @anarazel.de

Lots of nerdy tech folks grew up fascinated (in a naive / good way) with space exploration. There hadn't been anything exciting/non depressing post space shuttle. To this day I have SV acquaintances that see Musk's awfulness and have a hard time balancing that with getting out of that situation.

apr 21, 2025, 10:38 pm • 2 0 • view
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Andres Freund @anarazel.de

I don't want to excuse that, but I do think that there is a somewhat innocent aspect (definitely not the only one!) to the Musk-the-great-industrialist story.

apr 21, 2025, 10:40 pm • 2 0 • view
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Ted Underwood @tedunderwood.me

Yes, this has to be part of the explanation: that the truth is complex, and we likely have our own blind spots. Like, when I say Noah is incentivized to see good in Musk, I fully accept that, for my part, I am now incentivized not to see *any* good there, because I've shut down my account.

apr 21, 2025, 10:43 pm • 3 0 • view
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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com

He’s an earnest person to a fault

apr 21, 2025, 10:21 pm • 10 0 • view
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Henry Farrell @himself.bsky.social

Yes. this is exactly it. There is not an ounce of malice or subterfuge in him.

apr 21, 2025, 10:23 pm • 10 0 • view
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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com

My first red flag was when he earnestly defended Balaji’s character to me

apr 21, 2025, 10:23 pm • 8 0 • view
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Brett Fujioka @brettfujioka.bsky.social

In all seriousness, failure to make tenure messed him up and partially made him turn to Substack. He was also once more upfront on Twitter about an untreated psychiatric disorder so that partially explains why he’s fine one second and then flies off the handle the next second.

apr 21, 2025, 10:41 pm • 9 0 • view
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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com

I’d heard about the first one not the second

apr 21, 2025, 10:42 pm • 1 0 • view
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Brett Fujioka @brettfujioka.bsky.social

Anyways, I hope he eventually gets the help that he needs. And that he figures out a way of writing without developing a parasocial relationship with bad people. www.noahpinion.blog/p/a-few-thou...

apr 21, 2025, 10:45 pm • 2 0 • view
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Gluten-free Seitan @davidjorgonson.bsky.social

Overly trusting, influenced by far right people he's made friends with?

apr 21, 2025, 10:27 pm • 3 0 • view
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Erich Luepke @erichluepke.bsky.social

Sometimes I wonder if I'm overly trusting and unduly influenced by my far left friends. But you know, it is what it is. This is a community that accepts me (not on BlueSky, lmao, but IRL). They aren't vapid clout chasers like the people who I went to grad school with. They actually care.

apr 21, 2025, 10:42 pm • 3 0 • view
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Adam Gurri @adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com

I am definitely influenced by the @liberalcurrents.com crowd and I am good with that lol

apr 21, 2025, 10:43 pm • 4 0 • view
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Erich Luepke @erichluepke.bsky.social

They're radical liberals, not even left, although perhaps my impression of what is left is warped by years of direct exposure.

apr 21, 2025, 10:46 pm • 2 0 • view
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Ted Underwood @tedunderwood.me

I believe this. But, you know, people can hold completely sincere views that are shaped by their mode of earning a living. E.g. I have a very positive view of the NSF. I sincerely think it's an important institution! I'm not just saying that because it makes my work possible. But, um, it does.

apr 21, 2025, 10:37 pm • 1 0 • view