People need to be getting pissed off about this one and voicing it. This is greed. Protected public lands are something to be preserved for current and future generations. Once they are gone there is no going back. Once they crack open the door for this more greed will kick in
Much of this land is already being used for grazing and hiking. Also, much is in the middle of nowhere, without access to vehicles, much less housing.
Yeah they’ve said what they would use are patches that are between already existing cities/developments and then they’ll say the places are remote and rugged. Mixed messages. Doesn’t add up. They need to give more actual specific maps showing real possible areas. Even then I’d be fighting against
My comment is based on the map. The Wilderness Society shows it and tells a way you can buy a piece to save for $274.
I thought we were eliminating the housing problem by eliminating the old, sick, Hispanic, and Democrat!!
"When the last tree has been cut down, the last fish caught, the last river poisoned, only then will we realize that one cannot eat money."
I think if Mike Lee had his way it would all be privatized. He’s playing damage control at the moment for this whole scheme
Grrr.
X10
Hands off our Public Lands! ✊
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They did take it out of the senate bill👏👏👏👏
I’ve gotta read up. I know they said it maybe violated previously set rules for being able to be included but thought his team was adjusting
No! HELL NO! The most corrupt $Bribecoin regime cannot be allowed to sell OUR LANDS while getting richer while he’s in office! END THE GRIFT. Call Congress. Join 5calls, Indivisible, 50501, Democracy Forward, Democracy Docket. Passionate peaceful protests matter. Ripples matter. Don’t give in. ACT!
Agreed. This is just a genie that belongs kept in the bottle
Heck no protect our wild spaces!💪🇺🇸
Agreed wholeheartedly
Mike Lee needs to put a sock in it. We don't need any more golf courses or casinos. The houses that would be built wouldn't be for those that need housing.
They say it’s for housing for those starting out or so more affordable houses are added to the market or even said like low income at one point but then they say the places are remote and hard to access 🥴🤯😆. Those things don’t go together
He did say for housing, but I find it difficult to believe that is the intent. Especially after the video he put out for his plans for Gaza.
Terrifying.
Trump is an ignorant old man that needs to be taken out of the White House!
I’m gonna send him a few pounds of bacon and a pile of cheeseburgers and hope for the best
Don’t forget the fries
Is he ded yet?
If only
Oh, I am pissed! Trust me. And see lots of opposition posts on Nextdoor up here in Tahoe about it. Going to write some letters too. These greedy motherfuckers better keep their disgusting hands off!
They are getting tons of hate and blowback from the right and left on this one. Everyone just needs to keep up the pressure. Tbh seeing how the right and left are both angry about it more dem political leaders need to step up and make some loud vocal statements against it. Would gain them ground
Agree 💯
Yes but the left are too busy looking for their balls to do anything….and the Dems are still looking very bewildered….
They have definitely been disappointing
I seriously can’t breathe anymore. 😢
I hear you!!! It’s relentless, just one thing after the other but this is more than I can and will stand for.
We can thank Mark Omedie. Hopefully spelled that right.
💯 this breaks my heart so much. 😢
As long as everyone stays vocal about it I don’t see this one making it through. It’s political suicide for many. If peeps stay silent we could lose. They kinda tried to sneak it through
Prob doesn’t matter anymore. We are at war now.
Nothing like a war to help a President improve his numbers.
😡😢
I have no doubt they will build housing on the land, but there will be nothing in the way of affordable housing, except a bit in which to house those who will perform care and maintenance for the wealthy ensconced there.Those will be low-paying service jobs and likely filled by poorly-paid migrants.
Yeah I don’t trust anything they say
I can't wait to buy a condo 90 miles from the nearest gas station.
Pretty much. And it’s prob lies anyways for what lands they’ll open up. Mainly it opens the door to pillaging what was held as sacred and more will follow in the future and nicer places
They will use lumber from the trees to build immigrant concentration camps.
MAGA: We have so much land! Also MAGA: We can't take any more immigrants. America is full.
If there’s any good coming out of this debate about public lands it’s that it is fracturing the repub voter base
There will be small print for residents to comply with. Also,which/whose land? Someone is giving Trump a real estate bone to chew (& there is less public body oversight obv.) So who's actually running this show?
Prob all of them are in bed with those they’d be handing deals off to but Lee has been at this for a long time
Sorry to use 'Woke words' but where are the safe spaces in Trump's USA? A lot of people voted for him. Do they any safer or more ratified that they did so, given *all this* currently happening?
Lots even on the right are heavily attacking this whole scheme
Good.
Jackass
Eminent domain back to the gov. Screw the grifters.
They're going to build house for rich people. ffs
"Housing" what a fucking joke. Theyre eyeing parts of the Grand Canyon and uninhabitable land for pillaging minerals and oil
Absolutely. It cannot be allowed to rape our land anymore than it already has.
It’s a land grab pure and simple. Mike Lee and others have been trying at this for a long time. They aren’t gonna be building affordable housing
China has wanted the mineral resources protected by Grand Teton.
Oh good.... let's strip mine the mounltains!
just what we need, Russian oligarch thugs buying up iconic scenic national treasures and importing their criminal syndicate buddies
The way they tried to sneak this one in you know they were up to no good
Building housing in the middle of nowhere with no infrastructure and no employers? Sure bud.
When he says housing, I think he means prisons.
Yes Mikey, you want to rape the one of its resources. We are smarter n kinder than you think
I definitely don’t trust that guy
Mike Lee is a money grubbing developer in the same mold as Trump. The sales are all for building private and exclusive homes and hunting/recreation for the ultra rich. Impeach them both!
Yeah I don’t trust them at all with this and I’d fight anyone on this subject even if I trusted them. It’s hands off those lands. Once that genie is out of the bottle there’s no going back. Greedy peeps will want more and better
I don't believe for a moment they'd build housing on it. They will exploit the natural resources or build resorts.
Agreed
Trump ALSO promised housing when he build his golf courses. He's a Liar, he's gonna steal public land and either turn it into Trump properties or sell it off to the most polluting and wasteful companies possible.
They are definitely the group of peeps I’d trust less than anyone with something like this
meanwhile in Canada...
#nature #publiclands #parks #wilderness #outdoors #nationalparks #hiking #backpacking #hunting #fishing #flyfishing #camping
x.com/senmikelee/s...
All in the West. Maybe Ryan Zinke (R) Montana can stop it.
Maybe. This is like a death blow for some repubs if they pass it. Even tons of peeps on the right are extremely against this one. Gonna have a ton of very pissed off people
Mark Omede R here in NV introduced it in the House and get this he didn’t even negotiate our to State to get anything out of it. But I do know Montana is not Happy neither Nevada.
Check out Jon Ralston or Nevada Independent their on it.
I can’t see how someone survives this one politically but I guess they are counting on peeps not paying attention and falling in line
Exactly!
No, you're fucking not. You are going to drill for oil and mine toxic chemicals.
Well…and private compounds for the ultra rich as well as mega resorts.
Let's keep Mike Lee's greasy, greedy little paws of our land.
Agreed. He tried to keep this one out of the spotlight and sort of snuck in through the bill
We have so many empty houses we could house all the homeless. We don't need more.
Agreed
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Those who go into the wild places with ill intent may not like what they find. They will like it even less if it finds them. www.youtube.com/watch?v=na8a...
They are selling land to rich people in the budget that gives the majority of tax breaks to the rich.....
Pretty much. They basically tried to sneak it through
www.wilderness.org/articles/med...
What the world needs is more T resorts…just when tourism tanks. We the People can’t afford gold-plated toilets in our hotel rooms.
Everything he touches dies and this one would too
Now the United States is having a garage sale?
Apparently
Trump is using the Putin method to rob the country of its wealth and to enrich himself.
Pretty much
It's almost as if this corrupt administration is using our country and our resources to enrich themselves. We have been stripped of our rights by those we were told to trust and respect. Every one of these corrupt and complict traitors need to be held accountable.
How does property for multi-million dollar homes solve the housing crisis? It doesn’t.
Exactly
Donald Trump has always been about greed. 😡 His presidency is bad for America and the world! What he stands for isn't actually anything good. 🤷♂️
I definitely agree with that. He knows how to sell things to his base though. Usually. They are gonna fracture their base with this issue
Selling to his base is what Trump seems best at and, even though it's been all lies thus far and the entire world is suffering, they still look at him like a god. 🤣😂🤭
"Housing!" What a laugh. Ski resorts, spas, luxury condos, more likely. This should be of concern to every American.
Definitely. They kinda tried to sneak it though and def didn’t expect the blowback they are getting
Utter BULLSHIT. They're going to drill, strip mine and deforest lands they're never seen.
It’s all driven by greed so I don’t trust it
They want to turn all of America into a paved wasteland.
Energy centers for AI, mining, mega ranches and homes for billionaires, and whatever else. They just want the money
That’s exactly it.
I am quite sure these will be luxury housing, at astronomical prices, exclusively for the elite.
Yep
I'm up for about to protect these..I'm in. Their audacity in attempting this is beyond belief. These are OUR lands.
And once gone they are gone forever. They are trying to sell it as less impactful but it opens the door for them for more
Everything is nefarious with this administration. Rich buddies,donors..polluters..ugh.🤢
Agreed 💯
Utah thought it was a great idea to sell off their beautiful lands to private owners until voters reminded them that residents, and more important to legislators the tourists that spend tons of money in the State, enjoy those lands too.
The left and right are screaming about this one so hopefully they back off. Main nerds supporting it are maybe libertarians who are just against everything government
I think it's time to hold a little seance and summon up the ghost of Teddy Roosevelt. He'll be more than happy to show these greedy fools the right path.
I did try a voodoo doll thing for trump but not much happened 🤬😆
Just look at our White House rose garden! This is what our parks will look like soon. Paved over. Destroyed. Forever.
Ha. That shit irkes me
Don't believe Mike Lee.
Ha. Never
Literally 0% of this land is good for housing. It is often remote, without adequate water, no roads, etc. This isn't about housing (that's a justification). This is about GREED GREED GREED.
And opens the door for more in the future. Those federally held public lands are supposed to be sacred. Even the not so much used ones
The fact that Mike Lee already has a map/list of thr 250 million acres he wants to sell tells us this is a land grab by America's most powerful interests (individuals, timber, mining, hospitality--let's build casinos at the grand canyon, oil/gas). It has zero to do with housing.
So the idea is that we'll lower housing prices by building homes in places that tend to be geographically remote and where unspoiled nature tends to be the big economic driver? Build homes in Zion National Park to lower rents in Salt Lake City?
I don’t think they are gonna tell us their real plan
No, but we know it’s logging and mining.
This is a billionaire land grab. That's all. What Lee is doing is vile. Please call your senators and representatives and urge them to protect public lands and nor allow this to occur!
I’m worried about the billionaire water grab too.
Same.
Everyone should. I’ve contacted mine and more
The only housing that will be built will be for billionaires who want spectacular views.
Exactly! This can’t happen!
The POTUS is clueless about the natural value of the land they want to clearcut. It's what we should expect from someone who has spent his life in high rises penthouses and golf resorts. For him, wilderness is the rough at a golf course.
And something to make some money in secret
Lee you’re a lying motherfucker that needs euthanized! You cheered when elected Democrats were murdered by one of your party members! That land will not be used for housing! It’ll be used for resorts for the wealthy, and Nazi religions like that fucken coward Romney did! Go fuck yourself ya Pig!
Where will the water come from, Mike? How much will it cost to build out electricity and roads? Then you'll have to build a Fred Meyer for residents to shop in, with the scads of money they make from all the jobs nearby.
I’m guessing they aren’t giving us much of the truth on anything they have in mind
Trump’s done alot of things to piss me off, but this put me over the top! I’m sure our Oregon Senators are battling for this to be removed from “The Billionaires Big Ugly Bill.”
I think lots will stand up. Both the right and left are giving them tons of hate on this one. Everyone just needs to be vocal about it
We have plenty of space in Tucson for housing. What we need is recreational access to our community. Sabino Canyon, Mount Lemon and Madera Canyon provide it. Keep this regime's grubby hands off our public lands. I think this issue alone will cost Represenative Juan Ciscomani his job.
They are getting tons of hate on this from the right and left
#ForestFriday Sure, build a couple of high rise apartment complexes miles from anywhere on a dirt road. Currently Sierra National Forest.
I love the Sierra. I’ve explored the east and west and southern and the northern parts lots
Trump is stealing our land
If he could he definitely would
Zinke was selling our lands during Trump's 1st "term" and stealing the proceeds. Now Z is a US Congressman.
They tried to sort of sneak this one through
It’s already being put to good use!!!!
Agreed
Why did Montana get exempted from it? Someone should ask Mike Lee that?
These Christofascists do not care. They’re trying to speed up their fantasy Rapture
He sees it as a way to filter $$$ to his pockets.
He’s been trying this one for awhile now
There will be a lot of pissed off republicans in Utah.
Oh they are already fracturing their base and pissing off tons of repub voters with this one
Also, they are lying. There is no way they are turning it over to build housing.
Agreed. Also tho even if they did it’s for money for them and this opens the door for violating the protection of public lands more in the future and for greedy peeps that want more special places
fuck trump
Mike Lee is completely full of horse manure!
Agreed
Housing requires infrastructure.
I don’t believe much of anything they are trying to sell on this one
My husband and I went into the mountains of southern New Mexico a couple weekends ago. On one drive…less than 30 minutes…we counted over 50 wild horses. What happens to those? There is more to think of than just the land.
And even if say they kept the super special lands open and protected them but eventually opened up some around them to development those other lands are likely part of the greater ecosystem and will have consequences affecting those more special places. I just don’t trust them
Agreed and me either. They don’t even know the word ecosystem.
Mike Lee can't get anything right.
He’s been trying at this one or similar to for a long time
Taco's got an extra thick layer of seasonings on his face here.
Even many on the right are heavily attacking them for this 🥳
You would think by now Sen Mike Lee would keep his big trap shut! As for the federal land for sale, maybe Canada will buy it all and incorporate it into Canada (my wish!)?
They can buy my state. I can already make a pretty good poutine
My state (California) as well! While not poutine, we make a great carne asada fries in San Diego!
I’m about 4 hours north of you. Or 3 and something
Pollute the air, spoil the waterways, buy up the land to pad the pockets of big businesses. And don't forget building more prisons for money-makers as well
That statement in itself is not very thought out. In New Mexico, the availability of water determines housing.
Same in Colorado
Same in parts of California and New England
They haven't built affordable housing up to now! What makes anyone think that's what he's doing with the land sale?
I don’t believe anything they say
You don't need to spread out in this country. Cities have empty buildings. Retrofit and fill those first!!
Yeah there’s lots of revitalization and things they could be doing
Europe should buy it, if they go through with this.
I hate the fact that they are doing this. And housing? Even if this land was "extra," where would any of the people who live there work? Go to school? Shop? Most of the land they want to sell is in the middle of nowhere. This is all utter nonsense! 😡
It’s at least nice to see them getting attacked hard by both the right and the left on this one. They are getting nonstop hate 🥳
Yes, the railroads still haven’t given back any of the land they stole.
What do you expect when you have a corrupt developer for president.
Agreed
How much of land they want to release is near jobs, healthcare, grocery stores, transportation options, childcare? How much is in the middle of nowhere? Why not build affordable housing in or closer to cities or renovate unused housing and commercial buildings and leave protected land alone.
Revitalizing places would be good. They are trying to sell this as opening up patchwork spaces between already developed lands but they’d be opening the door to many other things in the future
www.wilderness.org/articles/med...
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And im real sure their real plan is to build affordable housing with it, not a sithole Trump golf course and luxury condos.
Lee is really trying hard to sell this one. He’s been doing damage control nonstop over on Twitter
We're talking about 250 MILLION ACRES at risk! That's a 5-alarm fire!
Agreed! They are trying to sell that it is limited and ideas of where it will happen but I don’t trust them and it opens the door to the idea that they can do this to our cherished protected spaces
www.wilderness.org/articles/med...
MOTHER FUCKERS!
Hopefully it can be tied up in the courts for several years. Once it’s gone it’s gone.
Hopefully they just don’t pass it all
Complete greed and callousness!
LEE & TRUMP ARE LIARS. No way any public lands should be sold to anyone. 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
Lee has been trying to get this thing done or similar for a long time
When the dust settles, I want to know trump's percentage on these land giveaways. It's our land, not his.
He’d be getting something out of it cuz that’s just how he is
Is there anything Lee is more out of touch with than this? What % of Utah residents agree with this? 5?
He’s definitely getting ripped by the right and the left on this one
keep your filthy hands off our land!
Agreed
Mike Lee, he’s The mother fucker, right?
Yes he is. He’s been trying for this basic idea for a long time
How many dilapidated buildings are there already rotting in the USA? Old factories & warehouses? Out of date retail malls? No longer used industrial sites? Develop the land there & leave pristine lands untouched. This is obviously the right thing to do.
Yeah there’s lots of places where revitalization money could be put into existing
That is OUR LAND. They want to sell it to the rich
That’s where it will end up
We have plenty of land available for "housing." People don't want live in a desert just because land is cheap. They need land where there is existing infrastructure: water, electric, internet, and transportation to jobs and retail. Federal land meeting that description is already suppoed to be sold.
And all of the lands available to this aren’t necessarily deserts. And some of those are to be cherished too. This opens the door to much more of this later on down the road
This regime runs on hate and greed.
Selling and catering to hate and grievance is part of how trump captured his base in the first place
Having already made the Harding Administration look like pikers when it comes to corruption and incompetence, he wants to seal the deal by outdoing the Teapot Dome scandal.
And we are still just in the first year of his term 😭🤬🥳😆
Real smart move , build houses out in the middle of nowhere ! No infrastructure , no power , no jobs ! Clean up all the major cities lots of land there to build on !! Can’t do that because Jimmy Carter proved that works !!!
There are definitely lots of forgotten and partially abandoned places they could start with
Of course it will be put to use. It will be sold to private equity donors for pennies on the dollar to build developments, no doubt with insane tax incentives and subsidies to private equity donors, not to mention Trump himself, to sell to other rich donors as their 3rd and 4th home with incentives.
Pretty much. It’s not gonna help with housing affordability
And, how do we know it won't be Putin? China? Israel?
We don’t.
With these guys "put to use" = make money for rich people
💯%
They will sell it off to the very same billionaires getting the big tax cuts and use that money to pay for the tax cuts. It’s insanity.
And then they’ll want more of the land
Oh I’m sure there’s going to be some housing, for those independent “technocities” that Thiel, Musk and the other psychopaths want.
Centers producing energy for AI, mining, gated off properties for the super rich, exclusive resorts, and so on
I hope four hippos force Mike Lee to blow them. And then they all cum at once and he chokes to death on hippo cum. Cause that would be a lot of cum.
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EXACTLY!!!🤬🤬🤬
I’d only point out that the lands can be reclaimed by eminent domain (although likely in a damaged state).
Yes…Death Valley is a perfect location for new housing….
Dems need to make it clear that WE THE PEOPLE will take such lands back with no refund from any entity who participates in buying them up.
Yeah I’ve seen some push back from them but need to see more. The right and left are attacking this idea. Heavily. Dem leaders and politicians need to make it clear they will fight this tooth and nail. Would gain them ground with some peeps
Gawd...another hallucinating loon.
They're going to build housing? For whom? Vacation homes for the rich amirite? Furthermore, 86 47.
Pretty much that
Pretty rich for the guy who wouldn't offer up his own state's land. PROTECT PUBLIC LANDS.
