Male and female are defined with respect to a gamete type. There are two developmental pathways for your body - one is associated with eggs- the female body type; the other is associated with sperm- the male body type. This is not hard. But I appreciate how hard you are working not to understand.

But you just defined an androgen insensitive person as female for reasons other than gamete type. Such people do not generally produce large gametes.

No their body is the type associated with eggs -even though they cannot produce eggs.

…so you agree it’s not about gametes, it’s about having a handful of traits associated with a dimorphic sex binary

It is about having a phenotype associated with a gamete type. That is what we mean when we say an organism has a sex. Do you want me to repeat that again?

we’re so close! yes we’re on the same page now. phenotypes are not strict binaries. you can be naturally born and develop traits associated with both phenotypes. bimodal, not a strict binary. what sex are you if you have both a penis and a vagina?

Two phenotypes have evolved. They are quite different. Humans can be classified as one or the other trivially. Only a few very rare cases pose difficulties and require medical investigations to understand someone is male or female. Evolution has made this so.

PS Name the medical condition where someone has a penis and a vagina. And a case study perhaps. Or you are making it up.

everything i have named is a real kind of intersex condition but there’s over a dozen types/i don’t know all their names off the top of my head. ambiguous genitalia is typically how intersex individuals are diagnosed so i suspect there’s a few different conditions that produce it.

the point here is that nature produces people who exhibit characteristics from both phenotypes and often can still reproduce. bimodal but not a binary. some people really do have both. so insisting on a strict binary is (drumroll) a social construct. there are two, but also a spectrum

Exactly! A phenotype is an observable trait or characteristic of an organism, resulting from the expression of its genetic makeup (genotype) and influenced by environmental factors. They are female because they have a checklist of observable traits that add up to “female”, despite having testies

What makes these traits "female" traits?

Because our society deemed them to be based on assumptions about bimodalism that we have discovered through medical science to be an oversimplification, such as what we both agree to be the femaleness of the CAIS person, despite having testies, aka the means to make small gametes

That does not answer the question. That is a bullshit answer.

You continually confuse “that is not an answer” with “that is not how I want the answer to be”. Sorry, the world doesn’t work like that.

It’s worth noting that this is not the case with every culture, with many cultures having other sex assignment options

Of course he stops replying now, lol

Missed you post in the barrage. Please do clarify what we mean by the female end?