This is really, really bad. Do you really need to rub elbows with Nazis to know thy enemy? Do people not see that these are fascist grifters who created an authoritarian hellhole and are now selling how-to advice to the opposition? Nothing about this is defensible.
It's been cancelled. He apparently is backing out from coming here. This still should never have been in the works in the first place.
To split a hair, it (the meeting) wasn't cancelled - Roberts just wasn't attending anymore so, as far as we know, they're rescheduling. Liberals were still planning to go through with meeting a nazi.
God help us.... What in the hell is he thinking?
Now we need to make sure carney knows this.
I honestly don't know how anyone would think inviting him was a good idea. But then again, never underestimate people's ability to make incredibly bad decisions...despite it being blatantly obvious it's a bad idea.
Yeah my guess is carney is gonna take a hit and that’s a Learning lesson. Honestly bring some Stupid con if you need to. Don’t bring the architect. My god. He deserves no platform Here.
Let's hope SOME journalist/reporter asks Carney to *explain* this decision. I want to hear him explain it.
He will say blah blah we need to get to know where they stand…… we know where they stand. Look at America. JFC
Me too. I’m Sure they will now that he’s canceled they should go harrrrrddd!!
I absolutely understand wanting to know what Trump's playbook is, but *do not* understand listening a fascist who helped create it. And Trump's playbook is manipulating the markets and grifting for personal gain. Please mail my cheque. I don't want to have to remake this:
Liberal voters raged when conservatives had dinner with nazis but now poopoo the fact that their own people are doing it. bsky.app/profile/anti...
Oh - I see it for what it is. And it STINKS - our public service employs every kind of brilliant expert who could shrewdly advise Cabinet. There is no need to invite the leopards in to tea so they can eat your face in comfort.
Surtout élu pq il ne s'appelle pas PP. Depuis son arrivée, exit la souveraineté numérique (shorturl.at/qFndg -perte de 2,5MM$, intro du projet de loi C-2 (shorturl.at/P1Myf) et dilution de la portée de WAGE, etc. Et cerise, cet intérêt pr ce sous-humain. Les Libéraux sont minoritaires. Heureusement.
Don't fall for it!!!
This is 1000% something I would have expected from Poilievre.
Exactly. Carney must think Canadians love Pierre’s policies but find him too repugnant. Because I can’t understand why he’s running the CPC playbook.
Because Carney is a rich white man who is interested in making sure he, his friends, and/or those he is indebted to also see their wealth grow. Carney does not care about human beings that live in Canada unless he has sat in a fancy dining room with them. Fascism works for the ruling class.
Lmfao!!! When you're wrong, do you ever admit it? I'm betting NO.
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Yes because ignoring fascism and hoping it goes away has worked ever so well in all of history up to this point. Oh wait, no it never has. So guess what? When you're in government you often have to meet with the enemy to get to know them. It's a whole thing.
He’s had numerous phone calls and meetings with trump and folks inside his administration. The entire project 2025 playbook is online, I can access all 920 pages from the heritage foundation website. If he doesn’t know them by now, then he’s not fit for the job.
Wrong. The entirety of their plans and methods aren't published online. Let the man work. Trump isn't the player. Trump is too stupid to he the player. Trump is the pawn.
And okay, it's all available online. Let's pretend that. So why is it that all those intelligent people reading that, online, like you for instance, haven't annihilated it yet? We ALL apparently know everything so why is it still here? What's yer plan, Stan?
Canada isn't fascist. We would be had we elected Poilievre. However, we dodged that shitbag.
Exactly. And fascism still has plans for Canada. They didn't go away or abandon their mission. So the fight against fascism is always in play whether they're elected or not. Best not to ignore them.
Not ignore but certainly do not need a platform. And let them bring their bullshit here like it’s a wonderful thing. My guess is carneys going to take a hit for this dumb decision and I’m Full on carney. Full on
A Liberal Cabinet meeting isn't a public forum thing one and he isn't coming thing two. Also, listening to someone doesn't translate to endorsement.
It’s indefensible. Makes me think that Carney just does not understand why fascism is bad. Also, undermines Canadians who are willing to boycott the US and fight back.
The most generous spin I can imagine being tagged to this is it's an information session. But you don't need a nazi to sit down to know what Nazis are all about. The PM needs to clarify what the goals/intent are because it's a terrible look. Menacing even.
On the plus side, think of all the exercise folks are getting from mental gymnastics trying to justify this for Their Guy while they'd immediately condemn it if done by The Other Guy.
It should be jaw-droppingly shocking that there are people who think it's a master class of statesmanship to platform fucking nazis but this is where we're at. In this thread alone, churchnazi and goosestepping kilt guy are just pretzelling themselves to justify hosting nazis.
Yes because we all know it would be for different reasons…. Pp has zero legitimacy and zero experience in anything. So there is that. He’s let Roberts fuck him right there. Hes also a little prick who’s never done anything. There’s that too 😮💨
Don't forget this christo-fucking-fascist is on his way to Ottawa as well! www.cbc.ca/news/politic...
Canada's liberals and UK's Labour parties are proving to be wolves in sheep's clothing. For us Pollievre was so bad an option we took whatever else seemed good. Elbows still up??
Project 2025 is available online. If they wanted to know what's in it, they could have just read it -- they did not need to invite this monster into the country for a workshop session. 😑
💯. I mean, Mein Kampf is also available online. Fascist playbooks are rarely secretive!
Apparently he just cancelled, but they're still planning to work with him. 😑 bsky.app/profile/jour...
I don’t get it either why they would want to continue to work with him. And by framing it this way, it’s another reminder that the PM doesn’t understand his job at all. They should have made it clear that it’s the PM who cancel and will never hear from him again. Instead PM is doubling down
Good. I suspect there is more to it.
Sometimes, from an intel gathering perspective, it helps to be able to sit in the same room as someone & ask them questions about the things that they wrote or endorse, and gauge their responses. Sometimes. This is not one of those times, and I doubt they can offer insight into Trump's motivations.
Why are liberals so dead set on platforming nazis? bsky.app/profile/anti...
And? I'm pretty sure I said that sometimes there may be reasons to sit down with someone and ask them questions in order to gauge responses in person, but that this definitely isn't one of them.
Well, at least you're admitting that you want to platform nazis and their ideologies. Holy fuck.
No, I said sometimes it's helpful to ask people questions, the same way a counter-terrorism officer interviews a terrorism suspect. Neither of those scenarios involve platforming people. I also made it clear this isn't one of those. But go ahead, willfully misinterpret what I said.
You think it's a great idea to bring a nazi into parliament. There's no two ways to interpret that. We don't need your "counter terrorism" apologetics to know that nazis are bad but you and your liberal friends want to keep giving nazism air.
Carney ain't no liberal. Not close.
Neither are his supporters here who think platforming nazis is a great idea.
Agreed. Partisan reaction to each abrupt turn by Carney shows they'll follow him off a cliff. Pp's fans the same. We're perilously close to agreeing to fascism simply because of tribalism.
You also keep your enemies close. We have to trust carney but I still think Roberts should be given zero time because we do not share values. This scares me a lot. He’s meeting with Palantir too. He must know. He must.
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer?
“Know thine enemy”.
Agreed. Wtf are we even talking to these ppl?💯🇨🇦
This meeting was canceled.
I’m extremely concerned. I also hear he’s meeting with Palantir. I realize you have to keep your enemies close but he should not be giving him one minute of a PM legitimacy. We are so fucked.
At the very least, the optics stink. The reality also. And the Liberals can no longer hammer PP for the company he keeps.
Such judgemental virtue signalling! Yes you DO need to know your enemy esp while negotiating trade deals and figuring out how to manage the U.S. Canada relationship
Know your enemy. Roberts is the architect of Project 2025 which is the Trump agenda ! It’s critical Canadians understand it and know what we are dealing with A talk is not an endorsement! It’s a fact finding expedition. Which is why Roberts cancelled it after a sober second thought!
Exactly. Anything he needs to know about their tactics can be found in other ways. Hosting this guy is a slap in the face to all Canadians who have stood against the fascist wave.
I get all the anxiety around this, most logical response really. That said, this is the political equivalent of wet work. We are lucky to have people willing to do this cause I am NOT!
Great news. www.cbc.ca/news/politic...
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Gross. Send a message to your representatives and the PMs office to let them know this is not okay. This abhorrent human wants to take away the privileges of 50 percent of the population for his own power and greed.
My rep is a con…
All the more reason why he should be met with. Ignoring fascism hasn't worked to destroy it at any point in human history.
So, gaining perspective on how the US plans to use project 2025 to shape it's global trade priorities is somehow the same as endorsing project 2025?? I think not.
"PM Chamberlain has invited Mr. Goebbels around to find out a bit more about this Hitler fellow". WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU? Like you don't think there aren't centrists or lefties who have studied their crap and can give them "perspective" on project 2025?
Are you kidding me with this ridiculous excuse?
Consider for a second the US plans to use project 2025 are already laid out and there is zero chance to gain any insight not already public. Don’t be daft.
And what exactly are the global trade plans that have been laid out in project 2025? Enlighten me.
Whatever they have done to date and released in their very online document. Anything not there Roberts isn’t going just undermine their tactical advantage to Carney’s cabinet because they asked Roberts nicely. He’s awful but given his success, he’s not dumb at this. Be smarter.
Answers pointed question about specifics with "whatever"....
I’m not your research assistant. I know how this game works with the intellectually bankrupt. Provide evidence. You deflect. Provide evidence. You deflect. You’ll only learn and understand on your own. I suggest you do.
What evidence have you provided to support your claim?
If only there were some way to read Project 2025 without platforming one of its malevolent creators. Oh well, alas that we live in a world of illiteracy.
We should not be giving him anytime at all I understand the keep your enemies close but legitimizing him is a zero.
No, it is. You can shape policy to deal with DPRK without bringing Kim Jong Un over for spaghetti.
Does DPRK share the longest unprotected border on earth with Canada? I believe it's pragmatic and necessary to understand exactly what the US trade plans entail to take the appropriate steps to combat them.
We know what their plans are. JFC. Authoritarianism totalitarianism People that say oh you are over reacting are not paying attention. You do not legitimize these terrorists.
It was very clearly a joke analogy. Project 2025 has zero secrets about their plans (fully public) or their intentions (look at the U.S. right now). If you think that Carney is some master strategist, I feel very sorry for you.
I think Carney is very smart, but to think you can listen to anyone - even Trump himself! - and understand what Trump will do next is wishful thinking. The only thing we know Trump will do is manipulate the markets and grift to make himself richer.
Okay so it's all available online and everyone knows everything about it yet not one person reading all of that and knowing all the knowing has figured out how to defeat it yet. Faacism literally effecting the entire planet and has a lot of idiot supporters. I bet ignoring it will fix it this time.
I don't follow what your point is?
Project 2025 has zero secrets according to you. You literally said that. So you and everyone else on her planet knows everything there is to know about it. You'd think one person of ALL the people could figure out how to fix that then. Or do we just roll over now and say fuck it and do nothing?
Or, alternatively, there is more to learn and know in order to resolve the project 2025 issue and counter the plans of it. Could try that too. Being as historically fascism has never disappeared by ignoring it.
What could you possibly think there is to learn that could be useful? Genuinely. Also, fascism has never disappeared.
Umm... the unknown unknown comes into play here. There's levels of knowing. There's the known (you can teach it), there's the known unknown (you can look it up somewhere), and there's the unknown unknown (you have no clue what this is or that it exists to know).
That is exactly what the government of Canada is doing. Me? I call out phony patriotism, correct misinformation where I see it, and propose collective action. But, yes, everyone knows what Project 2025 wants. A white evangelical kleptocracy. How do you stop them as Canadian citizens? You don't.
Because you are obviously that said master strategist..and much more learned than Carney when it comes to economics and trade....noted.
No, I just use critical reading and thinking skills. Carney's summit with Roberts was to find out what compromises the Liberals could make with the U.S. in order to enrich the wealthiest classes in Canada. That's it. It's really simple.
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Where are the facts to support your claim? Do you think economics is simple? Maybe it's you......
Oh, yeah. Of the two of us, it's definitely me.
..It.is.definitely.you..
The Canadian #resistance, huh? Did you vote Liberal in the last election? Who are you resisting?
It's like people who watch Fox to "understand what they're saying". Right. Admit it, you like their propaganda.
This ☝. It's maddening how easily everyone is ready to toss in the towel and point an accusing finger. If CDN's can so easily turn on the one leader we have that can get us through this ugly mess, they will be the ones that bring us down, not Carney.
Different dog, same collar.
Yeahhh dont like that.
This is reprehensible
Whose bone headed idea was this?
Those defending this as some sort of master stroke by Carney r baffling. Trump is fulfilling every facist fantasy of Roberts; do you really think he’s going to say “Gather round everyone, here’s how you take Trump down”? Stop praising Carney for the exact things you’d (rightly) vilify Poilievre for!
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