avatar
T. Greg Doucette @gregdoucette.bsky.social

Forces the contemptuous officials to endure the process every time, instead of getting a permission slip from SCOTUS to keep doing crimes bsky.app/profile/hera...

jun 21, 2025, 12:19 am • 34 2

Replies

avatar
Herald of the Morn @heraldofthemorn.bsky.social

Thank you.

jun 21, 2025, 12:20 am • 0 0 • view
avatar
T. Greg Doucette @gregdoucette.bsky.social

Only for past conduct though. Cannot excuse conduct that had not yet taken place at the time it was issued bsky.app/profile/benh...

jun 21, 2025, 12:20 am • 31 1 • view
avatar
T. Greg Doucette @gregdoucette.bsky.social

There are scholars on both sides of that question. IMO yes, based on the plain wording of the pardon clause (contempt is "an offense against the United States," regardless of the reason why it was levied) bsky.app/profile/cesm...

jun 21, 2025, 12:21 am • 28 1 • view
avatar
Patrick Chovanec @prchovanec.bsky.social

Then make him issue pardons all day long.

jun 21, 2025, 12:22 am • 13 0 • view
avatar
T. Greg Doucette @gregdoucette.bsky.social

*Exactly*

jun 21, 2025, 12:23 am • 10 0 • view
avatar
Patrick Chovanec @prchovanec.bsky.social

The power of the judiciary is a moral power. It can't force the public to act, but it can tug at its conscience, as hard and often as it must.

jun 21, 2025, 12:24 am • 24 1 • view
avatar
peppermint.jack @peppermintjack.bsky.social

many such groups who have the power to tug at the nation's conscience, many are choosing not to do so

jun 21, 2025, 12:30 am • 3 0 • view
avatar
Josh @joshgoldberg7.bsky.social

What movie is that from /s/

jun 21, 2025, 1:10 am • 0 0 • view
avatar
BlueishMage @blueishmage.bsky.social

In England of old, were pardons available to those in debtor's prison?

jun 21, 2025, 12:23 am • 0 0 • view
avatar
T. Greg Doucette @gregdoucette.bsky.social

Could be both. Typically a judge would order an official to appear; then if they refuse, issue an order for them to show cause why they should not be held in contempt; then issue the contempt order bsky.app/profile/xeht...

jun 21, 2025, 12:25 am • 34 2 • view
avatar
Ron Pluth @ronpluth.bsky.social

Probably no one, since he's been released.

jun 21, 2025, 12:26 am • 0 0 • view
avatar
Ron Pluth @ronpluth.bsky.social

Sorry, didn't mean to poop on things. It's an interesting scenario I've wondered about, too.

jun 21, 2025, 12:28 am • 0 0 • view
avatar
T. Greg Doucette @gregdoucette.bsky.social

At some point you need someone with silver bracelets to make it real. If you hold Bondi in contempt, but the Marshal Service won't arrest her, you go to a state/local department willing to make it happen bsky.app/profile/raja...

jun 21, 2025, 12:28 am • 79 5 • view
avatar
T. Greg Doucette @gregdoucette.bsky.social

Good Crisis delayed a little bit longer 1,311 days to go bsky.app/profile/tali...

jun 21, 2025, 12:32 am • 158 9 • view
avatar
T. Greg Doucette @gregdoucette.bsky.social

Sure. That's 5 minutes a day he's not doing something else ~110 hours, if he were to do that every morning between now and when his term ends bsky.app/profile/benh...

jun 21, 2025, 3:32 am • 50 4 • view
avatar
YetAnotherSteve @yaseppochi.bsky.social

Jesus, that’s more than 30 rounds of golf! No way that’s happening. (cron + the autopen will fix that, sadly.)

jun 21, 2025, 5:07 am • 0 0 • view
avatar
T. Greg Doucette @gregdoucette.bsky.social

Yep. Immigration court is an "Article I" court, b/c it's a tribunal created to help carry out an enumerated power of Congress bsky.app/profile/tkna...

jun 21, 2025, 4:56 am • 38 2 • view
avatar
T. Greg Doucette @gregdoucette.bsky.social

I stand corrected -- and turns out the immigration system is even more f*cked up than I thought 😬 ⬇️⬇️⬇️ bsky.app/profile/reic...

jun 21, 2025, 5:07 am • 74 8 • view
avatar
BlueishMage @blueishmage.bsky.social

Right, so they're Article II courts...

jun 21, 2025, 1:57 pm • 0 0 • view
avatar
Heikkolaatuinen Martin Vermeer @martinvermeer.fediscience.org.ap.brid.gy

@gregdoucette.bsky.social > The judiciary's contempt authority is inherent. Nothing stops them from enlisting state/local law enforcement to arrest executive contemnors Is the latter really true? Honest question. Interesting! I am aware of the option of using a private prosecutor, but […]

jun 21, 2025, 5:54 am • 0 0 • view
avatar
Space Witches, Esq. @popelizbet.bsky.social

it is shenanigans all day in there, Sally has horror stories.

jun 21, 2025, 5:10 am • 3 0 • view
avatar
Enrique Bedlam @enriquebedlam.bsky.social

Greg. The level of fucked up is frankly astounding.

jun 21, 2025, 2:49 pm • 0 0 • view
avatar
Rajamic @rajamic.bsky.social

This brings up a question I've had for close to a decade now: Is there a way a law could be structured that would convert them to Article III, thereby requiring the same rules of evidence and procedure as federal courts?

jun 21, 2025, 2:02 pm • 0 0 • view
avatar
Aaron Reichlin-Melnick @reichlinmelnick.bsky.social

Actually, no, immigration courts are not even Article 1 courts. Immigration judges are technically DOJ attorneys, not even ALJs. There was a big push for years to make them an Article 1 court, since that would insulate them somewhat from political interference, but no bill ever passed.

jun 21, 2025, 4:59 am • 84 9 • view
avatar
Mitchell Horton @jarlent.bsky.social

That's why their "hearings" right

jun 21, 2025, 5:40 am • 0 0 • view
avatar
Gabriel @b1uecruz.bsky.social

And considering he’s only willing to work maybe an a hour a day, that 5 minutes is more significant than it appears.

jun 21, 2025, 5:02 am • 2 0 • view
avatar
Gary B @gplusb.bsky.social

Do pardons preclude suspension of law licenses or disbarment?

jun 21, 2025, 3:45 am • 1 0 • view
avatar
Shoulder Devil @shoulderdevil.bsky.social

I would assume not, since all he can do is pardon federal crimes. The President has no authority over who gets to keep their law license or disbarment proceedings, neither of those things are a criminal matter.

jun 21, 2025, 3:53 am • 4 0 • view
avatar
Shoulder Devil @shoulderdevil.bsky.social

also I feel like at least one lawyer will appreciate that autocorrect tried to change "disbarment" to "disharmony"

jun 21, 2025, 3:54 am • 1 0 • view
avatar
Gary B @gplusb.bsky.social

Causing disharmony, via disbarment, for complicit DOJ lawyers would not be dissatisfying.

jun 21, 2025, 4:03 am • 1 0 • view
avatar
The Amazing Prizzini @amazingprizzini.bsky.social

Oh, thank God

jun 21, 2025, 12:35 am • 0 0 • view
avatar
John Pontoon, dissident rando @johnpontoon.bsky.social

Do judges have any role in referring disbarments? I think threatening their ability to earn a living would be a shit-ton more motivating than possibly-toothless contempt orders.

jun 21, 2025, 12:52 am • 0 0 • view
avatar
Dennis Price @dennisprice.com

Yes. Judges can refer attorneys to standing committees in their own districts and send notices to the bar for consideration of discipline. But they can’t force the bar to act. Florida has been saying they won’t open a case on an elected federal official.

jun 21, 2025, 3:46 am • 1 0 • view
avatar
John Pontoon, dissident rando @johnpontoon.bsky.social

Fellow named Emil Bove has coerced his subordinates into breaking oaths beyond question. He want elected to anything. There’s an example to make.

jun 21, 2025, 3:52 am • 0 0 • view
avatar
Dennis Price @dennisprice.com

Him getting confirmed would/will be a nightmare. Him getting treated like Bork shouldn’t be controversial. But I have little hope.

jun 21, 2025, 3:54 am • 1 0 • view
avatar
Ryan Paige @ryanpaige.bsky.social

I am absolutely at the ready to be deputized by any judge in order to round up some of these Trump administration miscreants and introduce them to the joys of busting rocks should the need arise. I've got my own handcuffs and everything... well, my wife usually uses them, but I can borrow them.

jun 21, 2025, 12:34 am • 1 0 • view
avatar
Schmuck Schumer @schroedinger.bsky.social

Can't they just deputize whoever they want to do it, not restricted to just other LEOs?

jun 21, 2025, 12:51 am • 0 0 • view
avatar
Observation Post @observationpost.bsky.social

The problem is whether you can find a state/local department willing to go up against armed feds, because an admin that does not comply with court orders is not going to comply with state/local law enforcement. And I think the Posse Comitatus Act prevents the courts from deputizing the military/NG

jun 21, 2025, 1:00 am • 0 0 • view
avatar
benhosp.bsky.social @benhosp.bsky.social

Yeah but can’t he just take 5 minutes every morning to just scribble “I hereby pardon all DOJ attorneys for any contempt charges they may have received yesterday”?

jun 21, 2025, 2:32 am • 0 0 • view
avatar
Tsotate @tsotate.bsky.social

Also eats up the time in which this SCOTUS could be making really stupid and damaging rulings. Make them burn their time, every time.

jun 21, 2025, 10:37 am • 0 0 • view