Remind me: Which court order(s) has the puppet regime complied with so far?
Remind me: Which court order(s) has the puppet regime complied with so far?
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Going to be a lot of refund checks going out when the dust settles.
It's not that difficult for Roberts. Worse Chief Justice since Taney.
I want this criminal Court to overrule them. I want them to vaporize their authority and ensure the economic collapse that is our only hope of overthrowing this regime.
Link?
Seems clear to me. Only when one redefines basic terms in the Orange Thing's "interpretation" to where they're not recognizable, do his edicts makes sense to damaged, sloppy, brains.
K. Well. Lemme know when the Roberts Court tells that appeals court to stay in its lane bc SCOTUS has been very clear that anything T does is fine and dandy under our constitution & the appellate court is bound by precedent. Whatever that is anymore.
What does this mean for importers who have paid tariffs deemed to be illegal? Do they get their money back? A credit memo?
Refund (like IRS) if SCOTUS denys cert or upholds appellate court unless they split the baby & say he can't do it but too bad for importer which doesn't make a lot of sense.
Exactly as we all knew
Wonder if Clarence Thomas will get another motorhome out of helping destroy the US economy and our relations with our historical allies.
What are the ethics of believing he’s doing 1,000 horrible things but the economy is literally the only thing a majority cares about* so just let it happen? *eventually RFK Jr death total will start to add up and that might - MIGHT - mean something.
Sorry my fat thumb incorrectly posted a reply to another point to you.
Can't happen here because the jurisdiction for tariffs is only in the 1 equivalent of a federal district court that deals just w/ tariffs & appeal only goes to the court that rendered the decision today & then SCOTUS. In other words no forum shopping in TX no jurisdiction.
Tacos for everyone!
Some court in Alaska will say something else because this stupid labyrinth of courts is the main of humanity
Can't happen here because the jurisdiction for tariffs is only in the 1 equivalent of a federal district court that deals just w/ tariffs & appeal only goes to the court that rendered the decision today & then SCOTUS. In other words no forum shopping in TX no jurisdiction.
The opinion is here: www.cafc.uscourts.gov/opinions-ord...
OK, so what if they decide to ignore it and proceed anyway?
Then whoever they're trying to impose tariffs on would just point them back to this and say "your own courts determined you don't have the authority"?
Okay, so how do we get damages? You know, all of us that have been screwed over by costs?
ah you see thats the fun part.... we dont
You don't live in America, right?
You live in this place but you're here putting doomerism on everyone's timeline. I find that weird and sketchy.
My thoughts exactly
They can't.
What stops them?
Tariffs like these depend on everybody else respecting them. The administration can say whatever they want, but they don't have the ability to enforce anything, even if they wanted to.
Two things: SCOtUS And A subservient GOP Congress that would pass them and go nuclear if he wanted them too
Both of which require the administration to concede their loss and request permission first. So again, they can't just ignore this. They're screwed until further notice.
The ruling wont take effect until October.
SCOTUS wound grant a stay too
Would
Sure hope you are correct.. The ruling authoritarian regime has not been following our laws and customs ..so why would they begin now? Why would they not remove the people respecting the tariffs?
Despite one or two high profile incidents, they have actually been abiding by the court orders against them. They love to act tough, but they sure do give up pretty quick like.
Importers refuse to pay Goods get impounded & stored @ huge storage cost to the state, while the importers take the Administration to court (case by case), also @ huge cost to the state Meantime, shortages, bankruptcies, inflation etc etc etc… One word… CHAOS!
Nothing dt has till Oct 14th or so to appeal to SCOTUS. If they deny cert or uphold appellate court the importer paying the tariff at the port of entry will be entitled to a refund just like the IRS issuing a refund. If they overrule well we no longer have only Conggress w/ the power to do tariffs.
And this is why the Project 2025 regime are trying to get it to the SCOTUS they installed, to transfer those powers to their king.
Congress will find its backbone, issue an ultimatum, and then impeach and remove if the demands are not met. Just kidding, a little Friday humor for you there.
Hip hip hurrah!!! Agree that this a Big, Big ruling l!
That will only make the fascists in charge more determined to destroy the courts.
Ruh roh Shaggy!
Why are they not immediately undoing them then WHY ARE THEY ALLOWING THEM TO STAY IN PLACE
Because the district court placed a stay on the theory that if they were right then US govt could just refund the amount of the dt tariff importer paid. NO harm not foul
They should have demanded it done immediately
Off to SCOTUS then and watch them bend the knee. Thank you, John Roberts. The felon IS your Frankenstein, and honestly, Frankenstein is a much better creation than the felon.
Yet nothing will be done to stop him
The court that rendered this opinion is composed of 8 appointed by a D (5 by Obama 2, Biden, 1 Clinton) 3 Rs ( Bush, GW & GHW). But get this the majority opinion that dt HATES w/ 7 votes written by a R + 6 Ds. The dissent written by an Obama & joined by 1 other Obama & 2 Rs!
The stock market is closed, we’ll have to wait until Monday to see the fallout, hopefully the world sees that the USA has laws after all.
Isn't Wall St closed on Monday for Labor day? May not be much of a reaction at all. Will be interesting to see what China etc does because of the latest TACO extension.
Time for a refund check for all the increased prices I have paid over the past several months
Finally...now watch as #47 ignores the court
Just wait until he sends it to ‘my justices’.
Does it matter Trump will disobey and nothin will be done
Trump tantrum coming in 3...2...1...
4 judges thinks he has the power... UGH
What was interesting was the dissent was written by an Obama appointee joined by another one + 2 Bush appointees AND the majority opinion was written by a Bush appointee
Taxation without Representation!!
i guess doj is already screaming at scotus to take this up immediately
I'm really curious how they are going to spin that one.
ha! now can we have a class action to force him to refund tariffs that we paid, personally since it wasn't a legal action?
They will be returned. In fact, the sec'y of Commerce's own children have been buying up the receipts at a steep discount.
Really? Where are they sold? Do you have a site to any article? That is a very interesting point if accurate.
They formed a corporation and were buying them up from wholesalers, 20 cents on the dollar I think, last time I checked, though that price has probably increased. We are talking about multi-million dollar tax receipts.
My senator is on approps - by chance is this reported somewhere?
search "lutnick family buying tariff receipts"
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Interesting thanks for the link.
thank you, will do
thanks for the insight. it does figure.
LOL
And the Republican Congress will roll over for Trump
And I'd still like to know what the emergency was
So dumb. It’s alll just so dumb
It's glorious to read and see. 🥳
It's already too late. All suppliers have sought other markets and no longer supply the USA.
That isn't accurate. Countries have stopped shipping to US packages to individuals w/ value <$800. Foreign cos don't care because they don't pay the tariff. Only reason they wouldn't ship is if the orders decreased due to demand dropping.(but under dt 1.0 domestic washing machines prices increased
To match foreign machines so there wasn't really any change except to the ultimate US consumer who got screwed. It is likely to be the same here even if tariff eliminated would US importer reduce back to 12/2024 price? Also possible foreign govt could restrict certain exports to US in retaliation
NO SHIT
HOW DO I GET MY REFUND!?!
I’d join that class action. I want my money back that they apparently unlawfully stole.
Not likely unless you were the importer paying the original tariff. I guess it is possible they may reduce the refund by any pass through to consumer but don't hold your breath.
As of now they illegally took money from somebody. Give it back.
According to Trump it was the foreign countries that paid the tariffs, so there can't be refunds to Americans, kinda sorta?
Not the only one with orders in limbo
Serious question: Who's going to make them stop? Say this makes it all the way to the end and they are deemed unlawful. And Trump just shrugs and does it anyway as he has shown to do. Who makes him stop?
This means nothing I’m sorry to say. Trump will appeal, it will go to SCOTUS and they will let him do it.
SCOTUS doesn't even need to let him do it... They can just let his request to appeal sit forever and they'll just keep in force. They were too chicken shit to do anything of substance.
Thank God Canada didn't sign some stupid loser deal based on those tarrifs.
Appeal to SCOTUS immediately. No more lawfare judges, sorry.
Incoming shadow docket "temporary" reversal order in 3....2....
“Soon to be overturned by the Supreme Court…”
Can't wait to see what kind of gordian knot SCOTUS will twist themselves into to say "but it's OK when trump and only trump does it"
Time for another game of Calvinball
What did the SC think when it gave immunity from crimes while in office…?
same thing no doubt
Just take a bill to Congress he has a majority 😁
yep, it's like he wants to show himself to be a dictator answerable to no one. Congress could make it all 100% legal by just codifying it into law.
But I suspect he wouldn't get it thru so has to be the dictator
not the end. scotus will burn the usa down like its supposed to.
TRO on tariffs, or am I dreaming?