Actually it's very doubtful that a brain "executes a program" or does anything even remotely similar to a computer. The idea that we even understand brains enough to make such a claim is just hubris.
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I am talking about a materialistic/physicalist view of the brain. The opposite of mind-Body dualism. How do we distinguish very sophisticated machines from brains doing any form of input-processing-output, whether you call it program or not?
aug 26, 2025, 11:55 am • 2 0 • view
If we talk about a materialistic/physicalistic view, we can answer the original question very easily. AI can't suffer. Actually no one can suffer at all, because suffering is not a measurable quantity. Problem solved. Unfortunately no one will take that seriously.
aug 26, 2025, 2:13 pm • 0 0 • view
You cannot. And i am not aware of any indices that there could be a mind that exist independently from the physical matter. But there are many signs that our "mind" is created by brain matter as alterations of the brain changes who you are.
aug 26, 2025, 12:25 pm • 0 0 • view
I am not entirely convinced the separation is impossible. Just looking for the right idea. My motivation is not to distinguish myself from animals or machines, I’m trying to define a border between intelligence and not intelligence and I’m afraid Turing‘s test just does not cut it anymore.
aug 26, 2025, 12:55 pm • 2 0 • view
The issue here is IMO that you both are talking about "mind" as a physical entity of sorts that should exist independent of matter. But mind can be a collective property of the brain that is simply different from the sum of its physical parts.
aug 26, 2025, 2:17 pm • 0 0 • view
I explicitly affirmed the very notion you just described.
aug 26, 2025, 2:20 pm • 0 0 • view
Still entirely created and governed by matter. Emergence is no magic.
aug 26, 2025, 2:49 pm • 0 0 • view
The Turing-Test was bullshit from the start, really. Since we don't have a useful definition of concepts like intelligence or, for that matter, mind or consciousness, everybody can claim anything. Especially to sell AI. But we really don't have to buy.
aug 26, 2025, 2:09 pm • 1 0 • view
If one looks as hard as we do, maybe there isnt a border? Maybe intelligence is just complex interaction after all. Wouldnt surprise me.
aug 26, 2025, 1:00 pm • 0 0 • view
Its also Hybris to think we are more than some complex information crunching system. Thinking there is more than physics is most probably a psychological need. Many people cannot even accept that they are also just animals. Same issue.
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