I mean… still a reach. Concept creep is a thing. There’s no reason to use devastating language for a moderately bad event because then are we left with to describe true horrors?

Hey dude, can we get a list really quick of which minorities you think can be purged from society without it being a big deal

what's it like being dumb?

You’d have to let me in on the secret 🤷‍♀️

sorry, maybe you're just autistic, in which case sorry for calling you dumb, but doubling down on your weird pedantry only serves to diminish or even dismiss bigotry. is wildly inappropriate and pretty disgusting.

This is a strange hill to die on.

Language is essential to understanding and communication

So how far up the "dehumanizing us" chain do you have to go to satisfy this standard?

your language is communicating that you don’t think discrimination of trans people rises to the level of true horror, so i hope you understand that.

“The government can exclude and discriminate against disfavored minorities explicitly just because it thinks they’re bad” is a pretty horrible thing in and of itself, without getting into the precedent it sets up

Moderately bad? FYI from a professional in communication and such. Thats gonna read as "it's just a marginalized group so what" regardless of what you meant. I suspect you meant; it's not direct violence. But it's not gonna read that way

I'm just here to watch everyone roast your ass

"Outright bigotry from the government targeting Americans who were willing to give their lives for this country" is more than moderately bad

it’s only “moderately bad” that people are being expelled from the military simply for being trans? is that what you’re saying? just making sure i’m clear.

Ooooh look at those moving goalposts!!!

… I’m not sure you understand what that means

I am more than an aware what it means when you say "is this REALLY the worst?" and then people point out that the OP said "one of the worst" and then you keep going on a tear about "well concept creep is a thing" as if you didn't commit semantic elision yourself, you condescending ass.

For the love of god we are all talking about horrible things are you are sitting here asking for a ranking as if that isn't part of the whole divide and conquer playbook. For fuck's sake!

And if you aren't thinking this is part and parcel of the entire plot to dehumanize trans people--which yes is happening amid other aims to dehumanize additional marginalized people--then I am asking you to at least not be such a know it all jerk about this shit. Fuck.

Nothing to do with trans people. I remember when being gay got you discharged too. It sucks. If trans people were being imprisoned I would agree this is one of the worst travesties ever. Discharge from the military just doesn’t rank as highly; it just doesn’t. You guys really need to take a breath

I’m not asking for a ranking. The original poster ranked it. Discharge from military service just isn’t it. Whatever

Have you not been reading anything anyone has said to you? It's not *merely* discharging, it's doing so on an explicitly bigoted and discriminatory rationale, arguing that the government has the right to decide entire groups are, as such, bad people deserving of mistreatment, and courts allowing it.

Yes, I get that. I remember when being gay would get you discharged too. It sucks. It’s terrible. If Tran people were being imprisoned or killed for being trans then yes, that would be one of the worst current travesties. Military discharge isn’t

You keep seeking to downplay and sanitize what they’ve accomplished here in a way I find strange. It’s much much more than mere discharging, which is a commonplace occurrence - why reduce it to that.

It’s a discharge. It’s not a court martial and prison, which is what they used to do if you were caught having gay sex in the military. I’m not sanitizing, I’m arguing for perspective. Things are about to get so much worse for all of us. We have to keep our ability to describe it intact

How does the oppression Olympics benefit anything? People are rightfully upset. It doesn't mean other things aren't also terrible. At a certain point things are just shitful and measuring degrees of shitfulness is useless.

it's moderately bad that 1000 honorable government employees were fired for an innate, unchangeable trait and marked as dishonorable by our bigoted government?

I don’t think the number even matters that much, whether it was 100, 1000 or even just one, it’s both the prejudice behind the action and their openness about that. They’ve admitted in court there’s no rationale for this ban other than bigotry.

Its not only the prejudice against transgender, but blacks, women and gays.

In comparison with kidnappings and extraditions of innocents to torture prisons, child separations, the shutting down of USAID and thousands of resultant deaths, the killing of cancer research, and the hundreds of thousands of government employees who’ve lost their livelihoods, unfortunately yes.

I don’t agree at all, segregation and open discrimination explicitly allowed by the legal system is genuinely very very bad, and absolutely of a kind with the other things listed here. It doesn’t become less bad because they’ve demonstrated this on a smaller test population, as with separations.

it's fine, we're used to being everyone's second fiddle

So 1000 service people being discharged is worse than the inhumane treatment immigrants? Medicine being withheld from people with diabetes and asthma? Food being withheld from gestating infants and babies? I’m not arguing that it’s BAD. But come on. www.wired.com/story/cbp-re...

It's not a contest. What is wrong with you? What are you trying to win here?

this is a gradation you've introduced. the only person looking to rank any of this stuff is you. nothing good lies down this path of thinking (and if we are on that path - withholding or withdrawal of medication is within the remit of what the Trump admin is doing to transgendered people in America)

yeah the VA already cut off care to trans troops and vets awhile ago, its just no one noticed

the only person here arguing that something is less bad is you

No, the initial post argued for a ranking

No, it didn't. It identified re-segregation as one of an unspecified number of evils perpetrated by the current administration. You objected because of a reading that is entirely of your own creation, and not at all present in Kabas' original statement.

saying this was one of the greatest travesties absolutely does not call anything less bad. you're the one that immediately jumped to declare that something wasn't as bad

Yes the comparison is inherent. That’s the point. If everything is one of the greatest travesties, then nothing is. We can use precise language to mean what we mean without everything being the worst ever. Because then we lose nuance and the ability to communicate

if they came out and done the same thing to any other demographic, people like this would be listing the resegregation of the military as bad, but i guess its only moderately bad because there's not that many of us

"Of all the things you spend your energy getting angry about right now, how dare you pick injustice against trans people?" says person choosing to spend their precious anger juice on ... people getting angry about injustice towards trans people.

Moderately bad *in comparsion* with even greater cruelty which is how you initially framed it

Pedantry in the service of bigotry, how original.

this is pointless nitpicking that adds nothing.

It does add something. It's patrolling people's responses to injustice, and attacking them for defending one particularly imperilled minority against all the others being targeted. It's vile behavior cloaked in the thinnest of "I'm on your side" pretense.

i'm going to be quiet now, since others have it worse. forgive me for saying anything.

I think you have some reading and listening to do!

I think you have some analysis to do

If it were black people instead of trans would that also be only "moderately bad"?

Yes. 1000 people being discharged from the military isn’t as bad as killing or imprisoning innocent people.

So if they were discharged from the military *for being black* that would be "moderately bad." At least you're consistent I guess?

Yes being discharged from the military is a moderately bad event compared to, well, so, so many other even more horrible events happening to people, even trans people. My objection is to overwrought language, not to trans people in the military

Why do you keep omitting the reason they were discharged? You make it sound innocuous, but you didn't frame the other events in the same way. You made sure to emphasize why they were bad.

Why don't you rank that list for us in your preferred order so people know when they're allowed to use a superlative going forward

I think, “this thing happened and it’s heinous,” is perfectly fine. The initial post argued that it’s one of the worst things to happen, which I happen to disagree with. If everything is the worst, nothing is.

IMHO, one is no worse than the other. They are all despicable. What is even more galling is that all in the Administration think they have a mandate from the voters to be cruel.

So many to chose from: *Hiring incompetent @ inexperienced cabinet *Firing high ranking black and female military commanders *Ending US AID *Terminating cancer research *Blaming Zalensky for Putin invading Ukraine *Deporting illegal immigrants without due process *Defying supreme court *Musk