You're focusing more on people criticising Starmer than the harm his policies are doing. People with actual morals don't tend to value the reputation of a politician more than the welfare of the people he victimises.

You're mischaracterising what I'm saying. Anyway, we clearly have different views - if not probably actually fundamentally that different in many ways. I think we're going round in circles, though!!

I don't think I am, all you're doing is inventing a new boogeyman. Just over a year ago we were hearing the same thing about the Tories, and since then Labour have come along and done harm they could only have dreamed of. So I guess I'm glad the left are no longer listening.