Gee, it might have something to do with all the Democratic leaders spending all their time bashing the winner of the Democratic primary, AFTER the primary is over.
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That does not remotely answer my question. Again, how is the phrase "vote blue no matter who" relevant to any this?
jun 29, 2025, 9:44 pm • 1 0 • view
"vote blue no matter who", as i understand it, is a philosophy of lining up and uniting behind the democratic nominee, saving one's criticism for a time when a general-election campaign is not happening. jeffries does not seem to be adhering to this principle.
jun 29, 2025, 10:05 pm • 9 0 • view
Yeah, I'm aware of all that. The way gruelly's posts are worded make it sound like they're talking about someone who IS adhering to it, so I'm not sure what it has to do with Jeffries.
jun 29, 2025, 10:38 pm • 1 0 • view
i think the complaint is that the principle has been applied selectively — people who espoused it in the past, when they liked the nominee, are abandoning it now that they don't like the current nominee.
jun 29, 2025, 11:34 pm • 1 0 • view
or perhaps it would be more accurate to say that the grievance is with the posture of the democratic party as an institution, as indicated by the statements of its leadership. the basic charge is still of hypocrisy: they wanted us to "vote blue no matter who", but they're unwilling to do the same.
jun 29, 2025, 11:34 pm • 2 0 • view
That all makes sense, but I still don't think it applies here. I don't know if Jeffries actually espoused it in the past, and even if he did, that would just mean he was right then and is wrong now. If Coumo had won the primary, the phrase would be just as true for him as it is for Mamdani.
jun 29, 2025, 11:57 pm • 0 0 • view
Imo, establishment dems being salty about their loss here doesn't mean anything about "the vote blue no matter who folks" in general.
jun 29, 2025, 11:57 pm • 0 0 • view
Gruelly is pointing out that the phrase rose to prominence from the right half of the party asking the left to fall in line for the general. In this instance the left is asking for the right to fall in line for the general, and the right is having a meltdown about it.
jun 29, 2025, 11:50 pm • 8 0 • view
That's not actually true, though. I was there in 2008 when the phrase rose to prominence and it was mainly being said by progressives trying to convince moderates/centrists to vote for Hillary. I don't know if or when the "right half of the party" ever adopted it themselves.
jun 30, 2025, 12:02 am • 0 0 • view
2008? I hadn't seen it that early, I saw it rise to prominence in 2016. I think a lot of people may have also heard it then, when it was often coming from the right half of the party in my personal experience.
jun 30, 2025, 12:07 am • 3 0 • view
Wait, I miscounted. 2016 was the one that was Hillary vs Trump, that's when the phrase started. Still I don't remember it being said by the right half of the party. I don't think the party even had a "right half" back then.
jun 30, 2025, 12:16 am • 1 0 • view
Hillary vs. Bernie was very much the right vs. the left halves of the party! I'm using shorthand because of character limits, but you can frame it in a bunch of ways - corporatist vs not, health insurance vs health care, PATRIOT act good vs bad, Iraq war good vs bad (at its start) etc.
jun 30, 2025, 3:57 am • 3 0 • view
Maybe I was still a little young during that time and wasn't paying enough attention (the election before that was the first time I was old enough to vote), but I don't remember anyone on the left being on the right side of any of those issues, not even Hillary.
jun 30, 2025, 4:53 pm • 0 0 • view
Anyway, I still remember 'vote blue no matter who' mostly coming from people who voted for Bernie in the primary, basically saying, "I'm as disappointed as you are but don't forget what's at stake if Trump (and the rest of the Republicans) wins this."
jun 30, 2025, 4:53 pm • 0 0 • view
The accusation is that a significant chunk of the right half of the party was using the phrase disingenuously, which I think is probably correct, much to the irritation of those of us on either side who actually meant it.
jun 29, 2025, 11:52 pm • 6 0 • view
Now that the leftist candidate has the D next to their name the centrists are doing everything they can to shit on him. Is that really hard to understand?
jun 29, 2025, 10:07 pm • 2 0 • view
I understand it just fine. What I don't understand is who in this situation is saying to vote blue no matter who?
jun 29, 2025, 10:40 pm • 1 0 • view
I’m not going to do your homework for you Cletus
jun 29, 2025, 10:59 pm • 1 0 • view
Who tf is Cletus?
jun 29, 2025, 11:01 pm • 0 0 • view
Jerry is trying to call you unintelligent by deploying an offensive stereotype of a rural person, because Jerry isn't clever enough to either understand or answer your question. I don't think Jerry is worth your time, honestly.
jun 29, 2025, 11:48 pm • 1 0 • view
the person saying “vote blue no matter who” is the progressive aiming the comment at Jeffries who is not committing to backing the D candidate. I thought that was so painfully obvious it didn’t need an explanation and this guy was just being willingly dumb. got it jethro?
jun 29, 2025, 11:53 pm • 1 0 • view
Poe's law, friend. You don't have to assume everyone asking questions has ill intent, this isn't Vichy Twitter. We can all be better here, if we try. (I haven't totally shaken it off either, it takes time and work!)
jun 30, 2025, 12:06 am • 1 0 • view
Honestly, thank you for saying this. I was so tempted to say a snide comment back to him. It would've been easy, too. I don't think he even understood the question I was asking.
jun 30, 2025, 12:20 am • 1 0 • view
It's going to take teamwork for us all to recover from our Twitter trauma!
jun 30, 2025, 3:54 am • 1 0 • view