Some notes, from an airport, on this dumb performative decision, which is calculated to appeal to vapid totalitarian twats. /1 www.whitehouse.gov/presidential...
Some notes, from an airport, on this dumb performative decision, which is calculated to appeal to vapid totalitarian twats. /1 www.whitehouse.gov/presidential...
/2 The Supreme Court has repeatedly held that the First Amendment protects flag burning from prosecutions aimed at its offensiveness or its tendency to profane a national symbol. That’s a generation old.
Not this time. The mad king always gets what he wants from this corrupt court.
Yes, but it was a narrow 5-4 decision back in 1989. Today, it’ll probably go 5-4 the other way. Besides, incitement, fighting words etc. are to be argued from a squalid cell. Perhaps in Uganda or South Sudan. Making the process be a cruel punishment will dissuade people.
Ahh, but not THIS corrupt, illegitimate, biased, activist, lackey SCOTUS.
/3 Now the FedSoc mids in the Administration have a Bright Idea: what if we prosecuted flag burning not as flag burning but on theory that it falls under the “fighting words” or incitement exceptions?
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It'll never happen, but with this supreme court you never know anymore. It could be very funny if Trump's EO inadvertently leads to making hate speech illegal in the US. And we all know how much these people love hate speech.
[Picking a fight in a bar] "Hold on, I have to go get something out of my trunk real quick."
wouldn't this mean hanging a flag upside down is incitement in their own argument????
Haha. I know where you are going with this. I had the same thought. Lol
/4 Except this is not, in fact, a particularly good idea. The “fighting words” exception is defunct. It hasn’t been used by the Supreme Court to justify a speech restriction in living memory and it was specifically rejected as a basis to uphold flag burning laws.
Literally a “sir” story with tears if their eyes they watched the flag be burned and knew they could not stop it
Did I fall asleep and miss the recent pandemic of flag burning?
EVERY ONE of the US flag burnings I have seen in the last two decades have been reported from overseas.
Bet they go for it this time….
Assume a criminal prosecution of someone got to the current SCOTUS. How does that play out with our conservative, textualist majority?
/5 “Incitement” is dumb too. Incitement means speech INTENDED and LIKELY TO cause IMMINENT lawless action. That means “go beat up this guy.” It does NOT mean “hey I have an unpopular opinion.” Courts have not upheld “incitement” as a “heckler’s veto” —-
I’m curious as to how much this is catering to the diminished faculties of the tyrant, and how much this is the product of administration officials who are simply stupid.
Neither. It is performative patriotism for the autocrat-loving, low mental capacity base.
/6 — that is, they have not upheld the theory “this was intended and likely to cause imminent lawless action because you knew it would make people mad enough to attack you.” (By the way that’s more or less the origin story of fighting words. Long story.)
/7 It’s easy to say why. Saying “you can prosecute flag burning as incitement because it makes people really mad” allows you to say “you can’t criticize Israel/denounce Trump/preach Islam/say reality TV suck because it makes people so mad.” It limits speech to what thug trash will tolerate.
And that is exactly what they are trying to accomplish with this. Bet SCOTUS bites.
So wearing a MAGA hat would be incitement. Interesting...
Yes, this is what they're trying to do.
/8 Anyway the administration is also saying “let’s prosecute flag burning when it also violates other laws,” which could be a thing but is something they could do anyway and would be selective prosecution if it’s a law they normally don’t prosecute.
Meanwhile MAGAts march around with defaced flags with the blobs photo on it. And Nazis marching around, but that’s not inciting.
Where are the free speech warriors? Matt? Bari? Michael?
/9 Here is Texas v. Johnson, 1989, specifically rejecting 36 years ago this verminous administration’s stupid, dishonest arguments: supreme.justia.com/cases/federa...
Texas v Johnson (1989) was followed up with United States v Eichman (1990); affirming that the government can not prohibit expressive conduct merely because society finds the message offensive.
"Incitement" … like what happened on Jan 6th? Cuz…
So, what would happen if you burned a "thin blue line" flag, which is already itself a violation of flag rules?
@alt-text.bsky.social
Problem is, this is the pre-Calvinball Supreme Court you’re citing
this seems like their entire point. get it sent to the current court and have the court say this EO is ok. regardless of what previous courts have said. seems to be working pretty regularly for him.
"You can't do this because it might make angry violent people angry and violent" would effectively outlaw any kind of existence for some people. Which is not an argument that this administration won't try it, just an obvious consequence if this argument is allowed to be made.
Sense object reference is too difficult of a subject for magats
Still blows my mind that this was a 5-4 decision.
Rehnquist's dissent is unhinged. A history lesson and a couple of poems about the flag apparently seemed like good justification to restrict expression.
Trump really is terminally locked in the 1980s.
I'm surprised he isn't saying "Because the flag itself was in interstate commerce we will simply charge it as federal arson"
I remember having to write a memo about how you could try to punish burning a flag using air pollution laws
Using the full force of the DOJ to prosecute someone for jaywalking because they burned a flag outside of a designated of crosswalk will do wonders for morale over there
It’s just a thin veneer to make it seem there’s a rational justification for twisting the law to suit their preferences of the moment.
But Ken, do you believe this Supreme Court will adhere to any form of precedent or rationality when they clearly intend to uphold anything Trump does and will find any kind of twisted rationale to do so? Your analysis makes perfect sense, but not when we have such a corrupt and beholden Court.
Is "you're only prosecuting me for this random crime because I happened to be burning a flag" a viable defense?
To the extent any other selective prosecution is. Requires proof that (1) selected because of prohibited reason (protected speech, race, etc.) and (2) similarly situated people aren’t being prosecuted for the same thing. (2) is the hurdle most people can’t clear.
Thanks!
Aw shit, there goes my plan to burn a flag while I'm robbing a bank.
I wore the US patch on my shoulder on 3 combat tours in part to defend every person's right to burn the American flag. You can also burn the Russian flag. You can burn books. You can burn the constitution. You can burn your bra. You can burn porn. The First Amendment: 'This We'll Defend.'
It could also be justified to prosecute people wearing a swastika.
What about tell folks to go march to the capitol?
A lot of people, weirdly, say exactly this about criticizing Israel.
Including the president, demanding a takeover of and defunding of any university that allows students to do so.
So, I guess flying the Confederate flag should be banned because that makes people mad, right? Oh.....wait. The hillbillies are allowed to make others mad it should only be against the law to hurt their widdle feewuns.
“The argument amounts to little more than the self-defeating proposition that, to avoid physical censorship … by a hypothetical coterie of the violent and lawless, the States may more appropriately effectuate that censorship themselves.” Cohen v. California
We should just start burning Trump flags and see how the addled toddler reacts
By this logic, burning a Pride flag could incite somebody to wanna punch you in the teeth. So that should be illegal as well, correct?
A long but good story that Ken told well in the first episode of the Make No Law podcast.
So is wiping one's butt with the flag still acceptable?
Only if it's soft and tender.
47 has moved on from real, live women to inanimate objects.
I've seen shirts with flags, guns and slogans that meet this threshold more easily.
Or "Hey, go take the capitol because Mike Pence is not 'doing his job', I'll catch up with you on the march"
See also: 6 JAN 2021
Sure would've been nice. If the Supreme Court would've allowed Jack Smith to indict Trump for his incitement on Jan 06, 2021. Maybe we wouldn't be here today.
Or, go storm the Capitol building.
I have been incited by all the regime’s crime and sedition. Threatening to FEED PEOPLE TO ALLIGATORS is “fighting words,” no? I am incensed!! 🥊🤬🥊
next its going to morph into not defacing a picture of Trump or using his name in a derogatory manner its never so much about the current issue they are pushing as laying the ground work for the final level they are seeking
The Supreme Court is full of partisan hacks. I'm not holding my breath for any kind of considered or balanced ruling. The MAGA crowd chanted "burn it all down", and now they've successfully installed politicians who are fulfilling that desire.
The last time I heard "fighting words" was probably an old west loony toons character exclaiming "thems fighting words".
Yosemite Sam
Since EOs are not laws and do not overturn laws, how much legal authority could an EO ever really have?
On the one hand, you can't create a crime via executive order. On the other hand, bsky.app/profile/swin...
And goodness knows this Supreme Court respects precedent. 😕
They might respect this one. Since Scalia signed on to the majority. But who knows.
I admire your notion of fair odds.
Roe was a more sketchy ruling than this, which made it easier to overturn. I mean you had RBG saying the reason for the ruling was flawed and too sweeping. There was a significant dissent in the Johnson v. Texas case, but I haven't heard the claims it was legally flawed, but rather just wrong.
Interesting.
is the "fighting words" idea -- like could that also be expanded to a political regime where the idea was you let local Proud Boys beat the shit out of someone for burning an American flag, and then just decline to prosecute them for civil rights violations or something?
Ho boy, jazz hands with old fashioned Hollywood quotes "fighting words?"
Also it's a civil rights violation discriminating against American citizens apparently. Because "there is a group whom the law protects but does not bind..,"
Who can do anything about anything???
What about raising a fist and saying fight fight fight while you have ketchup on your ear, are those fightin' words?
Or maybe in front of a crowd of supporters, telling them if he isn’t president they won’t even have a country.
I'm going to have a front lawn that's a bed of flag ashes. Nothing incenses me more than trying to limit my right to burn the flag and demand I owe fealty to the state. It's forced patriotism. Fuck that noise. He's trying to incite a reason and laying the groundwork for firing on protesters.
Sold out americanflaglogs.com
"What if we relied on the fact that it's not offensive to *everyone* and instead pretended that it's because it's offensive to one person at a time?"
it doesn't offend me one iota. I would be the first with the gasoline and the matches, and fuck anybody who can't handle that. a distress signal is a distress signal.
The better idea would have been to trademark the United States flag and then bring RICO actions for criminal trademark dilution.
Ah but the pesky first sale doctrine applies, and case law is even earlier and has more history.
didn't the court explicitly consider this argument in poppy bush's term and reject it?
LoL they gonna run out of ways to package it to prosecute it so they will say it pollutes or contributes to global warming or some such because with these imbeciles consistency of argument is as dead as irony.
Every time I read "fighting words" it's in this voice
Fascists taking over our cities and putting MRAPS in front of Union Station & some mean tweets are the fighting words? This is happening because too many entitled people of a certain persuasion never didn't get what they want & have never been in a real fight.They don't think no means no.
"fighting words" the government has historically denied exist of course so as to protect fascists and other murderer wannabes...
I honestly did not anticipate them trying to bring back fighting words.
Trump lawyers are in constant contact with the corrupt conservatives on Scotus directly or through the "Friends of the Court". This illegal EO may already got the approval of at least 5 cons on Scotus, it's certainly approved by Alito and Thomas, Alito may have suggested the language of this EO.
So was Roe though…
Even Scalia said that if he thought the Founders would have allowed flag burning as protected first amendment speech, he has to come out that way (and he did) even if he personally disagrees (he thinks flag burners should be prosecuted). And Scalia was a well known liberal as we all know 👍
Does this mean that they’ll go to war to stop flag burning in other countries?
I’ve come to rely less on my sense that law as a settled matter undergirding the nation is a shared value. I can and might be wrong. But more often, I am better served by seeing the current SCOTUS majority as an oft musing but incessantly ratcheting partisan maximalism machine for their asthetics.
Right to abortion was 2 generations old.
Waaaay old enough to recall the ruling. Yep.
But do you have any confidence this Court won’t concoct some exception to uphold the EO? I certainly don’t.
So was abortion, right? And voting rights…
No plans to burn our flag, but would rather live in a country where you can than one you can’t.
Has Robert’s Supreme Court rendered itself and constitution obsolete?
What's the current state of established supreme court rulings being respected by the supreme court, vs entirely ad hoc rulings
Next time he should pay more attention in history class. Or stop paying others to take his tests.
Hey, don't underestimate this court's willingness to arbitrarily throw out precedent in the name of keeping Mad King Donnie happy.
It angers me that people want to say it shouldn't be protected because it seems like a very pure example of political speech. Like there are so many areas of 1A law that are more open to disagreement, but this seems objectively correct.
If hypothetically I wanted to test or push this issue in close proximity to the White House or DoJ are there pro bono folks around? Not sure I can afford the bill otherwise :/
Another example of Trump living in the 1980's. The last flag burning issue I remember was during Ronald Reagan's time in office.
The twat who described it said that this empowered the DOJ to investigate incidents of flag burning and look for crimes that don't run afoul of the first amendment, right? Incitement would be part of that, but what's the federal equivalent of jaywalking?
He has no authority fuck him. And if there's any reason to burn the flag it's because of him and the treasonous traitorous Republican party
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In a land where legal precedent is considered a quaint concept every Executive Order is constitutional.
The orange pedophile can go F himself.. oh wait he is not 13 years old…
But we’re good with these pants. Read the flag code before you go all ‘Murcia’ on us DJT.
as a vet, i’m more pissed off at people who leave their flags outside until they get raggedy and sad than i am at people using their first amendment rights
Such a hateful little man appealing to hateful little men
Q: How do we know that Trump recently watched The American President with Michael Douglas on TV recently? A: this bullshit memo on freedom of speech/expression from Fascist Central.
What time was it on last night?
Trying to throw red meat over in the corner to distraction from his name being in the Epstein files. 🙄
MAGA is gonna LOVE giving up their rights.
They always do.
Yes please!!!!!
Oh, come on...it's the only thing that comes close to a pet, he has. 😜
So, if some fat MAGA fuck drapes himself in a flag, and I consider that desecration and incitement, can I beat his dumb ass silly and have Illegally Blonde prosecute him under this order? Cool.
We can burn the flag if we want to. Geez this guy is crackers.
Some in the admin are likely wagering SCOTUS would overturn Texas v Johnson (it was a 5-4 decision even then)
What about desecration with people’s names and added color stripes?
So let's really piss trump off and burn Effigies of Trump!
So the 1st amendment doesn't mean shit anymore? Good to know I guess
No. Since Jan 20, 2025
What are they talking about? According to legal and Constitutional regulations one of the most honorable ways to put a flag to rest… is by fire. Will we go back and re-charge those burning flags…at the Insurrection? Or is there a short statute of limitations to protect “his wrecking crew”?
If I had a flag, I’d burn it.
Finally, we have a president solving the big issues
So how are you supposed to dispose of worn ones? Hang them from the tailgate of your pickup? Oh, wait..
Please. MAGA desecrates the flag daily.
Hm. Are they going to prosecute? And will they succeed?
They'll try but it won't work.
Trump's move is complete BS. Also, ironically, under the uniform flag code, the proper and respectful way to dispose of a worn or tattered flag -- is to burn it.
flag sales are about to boom. but only foreign made flags. I may start a youtube channel exclusively on myself wiping my ass with an american flag and then burning it.... or maybe just taking a big old dump on it....
Taking the Rehnquist approach rather than Stevens. Both dissents were difficult to get behind, but i can understand a draft dodger like Trump not being able to appreciate Stevens' unease w flag burning. Personally, I find Trump humping the flag more desecrating than its burning.
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It’s neither. It’s considered Aa part of Free Speech, and it’s protected. Ask the SCOTUS.
True story, my evangelical, republican mom has written to her congressman one time in her life. The subject of her letter: flag burning. This is super important to MAGA boomers.
Fuck DJT and every single one of his lawless clowns.
I just read the title and said “NOPE”
The unwritten part is, "However, feel free to desecrate everything this SYMBOL represents. After all, it's the symbolism that matters."
Where’s the match?
NB: We have always been a nation of twats.
Better to burn down the constitution and wrap themselves up in the flag, amirite?
As Trump announces prosecution for burning the flag, a million Libertarians look up from oiling their AR-15s and say, "cool".
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Don’t burn it, hang it upside down. It means “nation in distress “!
Missing the point, I think. I can do either, fully within my first amendment rights.
The #irony as Felon J Trump signed flags with his iconic signature
How petty.
Nice analysis - I did take a year of constitutional law but it’s been a while. Up next, anyone caught in public without a flag lapel pin gets 3 months in prison.
It's plainly a dumb trap to get people to burn flags and then conveniently Proud Boys show up to engage in sanctioned violence. Better for liberals to refuse the premise and raise the flag. Own it. Don't cede the flag to MAGA.
He does not have the authority to ignore the US Constitution! 💯% illegal order .
And yet he does it every day. Have you noticed anyone stopping him?
This order can be fully ignored it is unconstitutional it violates the first Amendment.
Sigh. Already decided by the Supremes, but let's continue the way back machine
And to make it more appalling, Trump is claiming the Constitution gives him a right that SCOTUS said decades ago does not exist because of the Constitution.
Not the 6 extremely vile cons on this current Scotus. It's likely that the language of this EO was already approved by the cons on Scotus and may have been even created by Alito himself.
Nonsense.
Let's hope you're right and they make the right decision here, a very rare thing for them.
An executive order is NOT law! The president is not authorized to enact laws. He is supposed to uphold laws that the legislative branch has enacted. Since he has NOT upheld these laws he is subject to impeachment. The midterms are SO important to STOP this NONSENSE!
How about the Trump flag.
We can still use it to clean the barn floors with though right?
But nothing for burning down American democracy?
HEY DONNY, I JUST BURNED ONE FOR YOU. COME GET ME.
The current regime has figuratively burned the flag but I've never seen anyone literally burn it.
This is so trite that it belongs in a terrible movie
Burning a flag that is now reduced to a rag under this kakistocracy is a moral imperative.
To be honest, protestors need to be burning Trump and MAGA flags to make it personal.
I hate the looping Noem real ID bullshit at TSA
Just burn trump flags. Get your point across and it’s not illegal.
"totalitarian twats" 🤣
Tired: deplorables Wired: vapid totalitarian twats
What about all the depictions of the flag I see from Orange clown supporters - black-and-white flags, torn flags, flags as clothing?
So are my Trump neighbors who are letting their flags literally rot off the flagpole guilty of slow motion flag burning?
No, but they are in violation of section 8 of the flag code. There's no federal punishment, its handled state by state. If you want to get petty, send pics to the local American legion. They usually send someone to give a stern talking about respect and lay the flag to rest (by burning, ironically).
You can't just throw it in the trash. It's not trash. So of course people burn them when they're unhappy with government, they still respect the flag, so they're still treating it with respect, they've just lost faith in government. I'd argue that throwing them in the trash en masse would be worse.
Time for everyone to burn the flag in protest again
Can't wait for J D Vance to come and lecture us in Europe about "free speech" again
Shouldn't be too much longer I was hearing this morning that Couch Fucker was given more responsibility with the negotiation between Ukraine and Russia. Seeing that he's taken vacation ever month since being sworn in I'm sure that means a trip to the EU.
He does really enjoy being a scold, doesn’t he, especially when he is abjectly wrong and clearly wrong.
Li'l JD revels in his wrongness. There has never been one wronger than he. (Except, perhaps, that one wronger be me) The chief wronger, who durst wrongify to our horror. Thus, 'cause a bore'er is he. Epstein Epstein Epstein Epstein Epstein Epstein Epstein Epstein Epstein Epstein Epstein Epstein
Next time Junk Dunker arrives in Europe, greet him with a well-used couch.
Gotta ask, has there been an extreme uptick in flag burnings? I haven’t noticed. 🙄 or is this just another way to liberals in their place? Trump just continues to focus on all the wrong things and destroy all that was working. 🤬
Good luck with that...
He has probably already had a flag designed with his face on it. That's why I think he's doing this.
The Boy Scouts are gonna be in SO MUCH TROUBLE. Again, how does one dispose of a worn US flag?
By burning the Israeli and Russian flags, you can skirt the proposed law by maintaining the intended message. 🇷🇺 = 🇮🇱 = 🇺🇸
It is only a matter of time before criticizing Putin or Russia is considered a crime here. We are a client state. One can only guess what the kompromat is.
There's going to be a lot of boy scouts in prison.
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Now he knows the Constitution! But he’s not sure which parts pertain to him and or he will follow.
What about the Russian flag? Does this EO cover that too?
I’ll burn the flag and the bible in the same GD pit! #LFG
Knew a guy at university who ran out of roll up papers and found the Bible pages a suitable alternative
Acceptable. 💪🏼🤙🏼
Jesus turned water into wine so wedding guests could get hammered. Fuck -yeah- he’d fire up a joint.
“Jesus is my high” taken to all new levels
😂
That onion paper works great for that purpose. Tastes a little weird.
So, anyways, how about those Epstein files?
Will that be country club jail or hard time jail? Just asking since a convicted sex trafficker has been moved to a country club jail. Certainly, burning the flag can not be as criminal as sex trafficking young girls and women.
Oh yes it will be!
More signs of his dementia. He imagines himself a King. And remember, Executive Orders are not Laws. And hey, he better start prosecuting Magats because they burned some at the J6 Insurrection and more. #NoKings #nokingsinamerica
Scrotus isn't ready to overturn the first amendment even for the conservative king.
Yes. It makes people very shouty when I say it but not every stupid Trump idea has a SCOTUS majority.
Most Americans are too busy figuring out how to protect their friends, family and loved ones that don't think or believe like this administration and how to pay rent and afford medication and still feed their families, at the same time, to burn the flag.
May I borrow “vapid totalitarian twats”? It has a nice ring…
If people can be jailed for desecrating the flag, let's start here:
I guess prosecuting Trump for molesting and debasing the flag is out of the question.
Justice William Brennan wrote for the majority, stating that "the government may not prohibit the expression of an idea simply because society finds the idea itself offensive or disagreeable". 1989's Texas v. Johnson, SCOTUS ruled that burning flag is a form of protected "symbolic speech."
The pedo flag
Start burning swastika flags.
Isn't this covered under the First Amendment rights?
I always go back to what George Carlin said about people getting all worked up about the flag… “it’s a symbol, and I leave symbols to the symbol-minded.”
But it’s ok to use Trump flags to break into the Capitol and injure police.
And: you can't make new criminal laws with an executive order.
Yeah he can! Watch!
It’s Not a law.🛑
He just has his auto pen write out an executive order. 99% of them are not legal & wouldn’t last 10 minutes in court. He does it anyway.
I expect a lot of people in Chicago will be facing this bogus charge. If I even live one day after we come out on the other side of the crap, I will be satisfied.
are criminal offenses enacted by executive fiat now? i (dumb , inal) thought changing the criminal code required an act of congress
It's all about appealing to the twats.
Good Luck. Where is Jane when we need her?
Well, as far as I am aware she most recently got arrested during a protest in 2019 and spent her 82nd birthday in jail for that. She's 87 now so unlikely to be putting herself in many situations to get arrested again.
I think this is more of a distraction than anything else. Its meant to force liberals to defend flag burning, which the majority is against.
A previous SCOTUS ruling means nothing to the current court plus they're encouraging states to prosecute anything they can make stick like disturbing the peace, violating a burn ban, or destruction of property. MAGA DAs will be all over this.
The Stars and Stripes or the Stars and Bars?
We now live in a totalitarian dictatorial country. We are not a republic or a democracy at all. The option is to stand up against this tyrannical government exactly the way the 2nd amendment described.
From the Incitement guy? You're telling me John Incitement signed this shit?
Yeppers!
The same twats who will wear American flag shirts, in violation of 4 U.S. Code § 8.
Shirts? I wish it stopped at shirts.
I always found the disposable paper plates and napkins to be especially offensive. Just seems wrong to eat off the flag, and then wipe your mouth with it. The only thing worse would be printed toilet paper. Which I have actually seen for sale online I think.
Thank you, Ken. My aunt is married to one, sadly. I fear he has roped her in too. Will share this.
And before sundown we have the first test case, by a veteran of all people. Kudos and total respect to that man.
They've probably read the flag code too. Which specifically states that the proper method of disposal for an old flag (after they've faded, developed holes, fraying etc.), is to be burned, not binned. What you're not supposed to do with it is put its image on paper plates, napkins, clothing, etc. 🫠
RELEASE THE EPSTEIN FILES !!
Texas v. Johnson — until that is overturned by SCOTUS (a likely outcome, but definitely not a certainty), Trump can go pound sand.
And according to the DOD's own website - "The approved method of disposing of unserviceable flags has long been that they be destroyed by burning." Betting that EO doesn't distinguish between disposable and free speech.
The law says that old flags are to be disposed properly - preferably by burning. Hmmm so if I take out my old flag and burn it I will be arrested
Burn a new flag. It. Does. Not. Matter. The. Age.
I know - I was just saying I’m sure it doesn’t matter to the regime.
Yeah. Got it. Any suggestion that we start changing our constitutionally mandated rights on the basis of a shitty EO is misplaced. There are no loop holes we need to find. I’m going to buy a flag, film myself burning it and then tag the entire shitty admin. Fuck them all
But… There is a proper way to retire old flags. The Boy Scouts do this. How to Properly Dispose of Worn-Out U.S. Flags www.defense.gov/News/Feature...
What about wearing the flag? What about putting someone’s image on the flag to desecrate it?
Wait! He can’t read!
Are there no photos? No beer cap rebuses?
Jinx I didn’t read your post before I posted mine! 🦋
Guess the VFW and American Legion will need a new way to respectfully dispose of American flags. Wouldn't put it past the moron to have them arrested.
BURN THE FLAGS 🔥🇺🇲🔥 🖕
So, is he openly defying the Supreme Court? Quoting: "Notwithstanding the Supreme Court’s rulings on First Amendment protections, the Court. . ."
Yes
Yeah.
Is the severability clause for these executive memos/bleats new? Sec. 3. Severability. If any provision of this order, or the application of any provision to any person or circumstance, is held to be invalid, the remainder of this order and the application of its provisions...
Burning the flag is worse than bleeding the people of this country dry, just to turn around and give it to the billionaires.
I fly my American flag upside down and truly don't give a rat's ass what the Stephen Millers of the world have to say about that. It will stay upside down until democracy is restored.
Yeah, I never beat the 💩 out of any fat ass sweaty asshole for wearing the flag as a banana hammock or a wife beater, but it really does piss me off. Does this royal decree affect the Pedofuhrer retroactively for inciting a coup attempt and causing the desecration of a bunch of flags?
At one time I would haven’t ever thought about burning the American flag but its meaning to me has become a meaningless symbol of oppression.
Also, I was taught that dignified disposal of worn-out American flags involved…burning them ? The Boy Scouts and the American Legion offer this is as a service I believe …
We're so far past the America that the founding fathers created. I'm gonna burn the flag of the current Dumbfuckistan we've devolved into.
I just remember from boy scouts that burning a flag was the proper way to dispose of a non pristine flag. Are we arresting scouts now or did we just throw out that part of the flag code.
Making flag burning meaningful again!
proves once again he’s a senile old boomer. Flag burning is so Sixties
But Kid Rock slappin' it on his ass is A-OK!
Yup
What if you light one of Kid Rock's farts while he's wearing it on his ass and the flag "accidentally" catches fire?
That video would go viral.
But it’s ok to deface it with your fucking ugly mug.
So to clarify, it’s not RICO? [runs]
😂🤣
This is a waste of Ink and Americans time…..
Just a silly random Q: Q: When was the last time you ever heard of anyone actually burning a flag? A: #Epstein
Doesn't he have real issues to deal?
The flag we should be burning is the Stars and Bars since that's MAGA's true flag.
Hey Donnie boy, you're the one desecrating the flag, you twit.
I'm gonna burn a flag and film it.
So if me and my friends burn one in the backyard, no one seeing and stuff, who exactly is the target of my "fighting words?" I mean an actual, live person who could, you know, fight.
I guess your friends could get upset. Theoretically. This seems like one of those consenting adult things, ironically. If you get upset, your allowed to leave the flag burning orgy, no one will be upset, lol.
I can't wait to burn an American flag later today!
When will thinking cross thoughts about your mom and burning an apple pie become crimes?
So the American Legion can't burn old damaged faded flags for us anymore?
Vapid totalitarian twats has a pleasant consonance to it.
Such performative bullshit. I’m buying a bunch of flags just to burn. The flags of Trumps America.
So what day is official burn the US flag day again?
June 14th
June 14, 2026. His 80th birthday.
100% (Burn the) Flag Day.
Today
Flag Day. I might also do it on the Marine Corps birthday just to see the rage response.
The next 4th of July.
Maybe Memorial Day?
June 14
Isn’t that “Burn the White House” day?
Ask the British since they last burned it August 24, 1814
If you want us to do it again, I’m sure I can whip up a fair number of folk to do it again
My child and I have decided that’s kinda an easy out for the current occupant, so we’re inciting the local ducks to finally engage in The Great Duck Uprising™️, and humbly suggest that they should start by covering the White House in duck poop during their migration.
That was last Saturday...
I’ll just add context for this one, because I was going to say it. On August 24, 1814, the British army burned down the White House. So, Burn Down the White House Day was actually yesterday. In looking forward to the first Tear Down the Ballroom Day and Reinstate the Rose Garden Day.
If the ballroom is anything like the “wall,” it will be unfinished trash anyway. Talk about government waste! 😏
Agreed.
To be pedantic about my own joke, if memory serves it technically isn't Burn Down the White House Day, as it wasn't actually painted white until it got redecorated after the burning...
BTW, I hate Trump, but the West Wing was only built in 1902, the current Oval Office in 1934, and Residence and State Rooms in 1952. The White House has always been as changeable as the people in it...
True. It was the color of whitewashed Aquia Creek sandstone, off-white, a bit toward gray. Painted w/ white lead paint in 1818. It wasn’t called the White House until Teddy Roosevelt was there. But if we call it Burn Down the Executive Mansion Day, people will be wandering around looking for one.
*I’m looking forward . . .
I will say it does cross my mind that they hope flag burning happens/becomes a thing: bsky.app/profile/dark...
I mean, yeah, the inner circle are all 4chan edgelords, they'll find/ manufacture the videos themselves, this is all kayfabe meant to keep media entertained and talking about flags while they execute occupations of the homeland.
To hear Trump tell it - he blames Canada for that.
Well, the British burned the White House in retribution for the American army burning down the capitol in Ottawa earlier in the war. So, that wouldn’t be the biggest lie he’s told.
Way sooner than that. Like, tomorrow, sooner. Or today. Today works, too.
He instinctively coopts symbols that are of importance to others. His molesting the flag as a campaign stunt is a prime example. His hollow show of the Bible (which he sells copies of for $59.95) is another. None of it means anything to him. He merely likes the "brand."
I think the whole point of this is to incite people into burning flags as a form of civil disobedience and then use that to build a new narrative surrounding all of these people “hating america.” Maybe declare another kind of emergency and escalate again.
Better to burn trump flags anyway
Agreed
How is this helping to bring food prices down?
That EO is immediately null and void. The SC has repeatedly ruled that flag burning is speech and protected.
But the SC has also repeatedly ruled that Trump is their New Daddy and priority #1 is tongue-fucking his sticky treason hole and begging him to love them like their own Daddy never did
SCOTUS is corrupt as hell. You know they will just rubber stamp this.
No, we don't know that
That is true. What we do know is members of the highest court can openly take bribes without consequence.
Here we go again. Was it Rehnquist who said that criminalizing burning the flag negates the very values the flag represents? Words to that effect. Maybe a different Justice. (Yes, I googled, but it was taking too long.) I feel strongly about this issue.
Hang on, didn't The Simpsons predict this? youtu.be/pSANTRnEBgg?...
OH YEAH! DOOR'S OPEN BOYS!
Scary how prescient the Simpson's writers have been over the decades....
What we see today has been on the right's wish-list for decades. It was never a secret. They have continuously, loudly and proudly expressed their evil intentions. They finally found the guy who wasn't afraid to sully his legacy by implementing that evil. It is exactly the legacy he desires.
Mainly because there's nothing too ridiculous that the US won't do at some point...
Or is that where the idea came from? Most of his ideas seem like they come from cartoons.
EO’s still are.not.laws!
Does this mean all the assholes with tattered flags mounted on their pickup trucks will be prosecuted?
“The authority vested in me”… what a tool.
Is it still legal to burn the Israeli flag? Russia's?
We are failing to call out these EO's for what they are: edicts from our would-be king. There's no precedent, nor any lawful basis, for a POTUS to declare/impose a criminal statute by EO. #Trumpocalypse
Just makes me want to wipe my ass with one and mail it to Mara Lago, probably give me a rash though
Seems to me the president violating the constitution is the real issue but you know MAGA
Can we burn these two together? 🙄
He's dry humping that flag like it was a 15 year old girl.
Prosecute all Felon47 pedo protectors.
Hey Dotard isn't groping an American flag considered abusing that flag?
This executive order is one mention of RICO away from being crafted specifically to annoy you. What we really need is a podcast by a well know free speech lawyer with a history of great podcasts, dedicated to free speech issues with some kind of witty title.
Does this cover American flag thongs and banana hammocks? It seems it should.
"(c) To the maximum extent permitted by the Constitution, the Attorney General shall vigorously prosecute those who violate our laws in ways that involve desecrating the American Flag, and may pursue litigation to clarify the scope of the First Amendment exceptions in this area."
He’s an idiot!
Are they going to prosecute all the people wearing American flag clothes?
All past reasoning of the Supreme Court is subject to being discarded if the current SC needs to serve the whims of the leader.
It’s useless.
blah blah blah
My solution since 2016 has been simply to let all symbols and celebrations of this country go to the maggots. I don't see any scenario in which I will ever be proud of the US again, so why embrace its symbols? So if someone's burning a flag, it won't be me, because I don't and won't have one.
Pitiful as that is we no longer fly ours either. It no longer stands for anything.
Trump is burning down the country but not the flag. Got it 🙄🤬
This was litigated already. They used to claim it was illegal to wear parts of the American flag as clothing too. Now that kid rock et. al find it fashionable, they are letting that one go. Fukk all of them and the flags they hump!
Which it will even though it will never be enacted
But it's ok to wear it as underwear? Sighhhh
See, before today I didn't really want to burn an American flag. Now it's basically my duty as an American
Straight up had the same thought.
No. Let's all just print this and burn it at huge public rallies. It's the best of both worlds and will drive their Cheeto Jesus batshit crazier than he already is. Who is with me? Let's light this stupid shit up
And, send the freakin ashes to Donald.
My take is that burning a Confederate flag will make all the same people just as mad, but deprives them of the "patriotism" argument.
👋 Andy, for months, I've been displaying my flag upside down as the recognized 'in distress' signal and I've no idea how many of my neighbors understand that or are aware of what's happening. Maybe my next step is a simple message on a sign-I'm still contemplating the message. .
I was going to burn mine, but at the last second I realized that it would then be impossible to wipe my ass on it.
It is definitely my duty as a Canadian to burn the one I have.
Next EO if you burn a trump flag/poster, the Nazi or Zionist flag you get 10 yrs perhaps? It's safer to be a paedophile as you are more protected by magalordtrump & guardians of paedophile. That's how we see magaland frm the outside 🤦
I feel like burning a flag right now! Come get me!!!
I feel the same way. What can they do if hundreds of thousands of citizens burn their flags at the same time?
I certainly want to start with all the blue line flags, punisher logo flags, and Trump flags.
My thoughts exactly.
When the SCOTUS ruling came out in 1989, I was in college. There was a rash of flag-burnings on campuses. The one on mine was done as the ROTC students were drilling on the quad. Nobody cared.
I could easily burn one like this, except I can’t easily support the company selling it
🔥🇺🇸🔥
Burn confederate & Trump flags, that'll piss MAGA off even more & isnt covered by the EO.
I’ll join you my friend.
If you really want to incite some violence, have a national burn a red MAGA hat day.
But then I'd have to purchase a red MAGA hat.
I’m game
What you may see as your "duty" to now burn a flag is the precise outrage they seek and will provide an opportunity to put this before the Roberts Court which will reverse Johnson. We're fkd.
Just burn Confederate flags and they will receive the intended message. 😈 youtu.be/yiM5NXRP7ds
Burn one of those Thin Blue Line flags... or maybe one of those black-and-gray "fascist-but-pretending-not-to-be-tee-hee" variants. That way, you aren't burning Old Glory, but a dirty impostor.
Kinda feel like that’s what they’re baiting us to do though. Then they can make endless right wing news reels about how much we hate America
On the one hand, I really don't think anyone in his orbit is smart enough to chew their own food, much less come up with a plan like that. On the other hand, they do have a penchant for cruelty and rage-baiting, so... 🤷♀️
It's not that hard to think through rage-baiting, esp given how much they practice it. Trump is lazy, incurious, and unwise, but not exactly stupid and occasionally finds a good gimmick. And some of the people around him are a bit smarter.
Trump is dumb as a rock. The heritage foundation isn’t unfortunately. They’re depressingly effective at creating propaganda that appeals to his base.
So? You can jingle keys in the faces of those fucking morons faces, tell them keys are "woke" and they'll throw their house and car keys off a bridge at the first opportunity.
You are no longer free American. You live in a dictatorship that will not let you exert your former constitutional rights. If you say something mean about the Donald your home will be searched, you will be arrested, you will be jailed, you will be disappeared
This
Yup!
I suspect that part of the motivation here is trying to bait people into burning the flag, which fair or not, is very unpopular Like, if suddenly a bunch of people started burning American flags I expect they'd be overjoyed, especially at the visuals on the news and social media
It would be easy to turn group flag burning into a celebration of independence & pride. People acting together in the spirit of freedom is a joyful sight, and those optics could shift. Make little flags with your neighbors, eat potato chips, burn the flags and video it. Sing America the Beautiful.
Yeah, same with the NatGuard, just takes one incident for him to bring down the hammer
Yes, there is a “dog whistle” aspect to the order that people will use as an excuse to actually riot over a burning flag.
Have a feeling most American flags are made in China, who could afford to burn one with the tariffs on them at the moment?!
maybe should all get Russian flags!! 🔥🇷🇺🔥
What is the alternative? At some point we have to choose - fight the destruction of democracy or concede and lick the jackboot. I’m beginning to think the American people no longer deserve what they have, err had.
So when's Flag Burning day?
Wha about burning the Russian flag, is that included?
Thank you - and I am definitely borrowing (while crediting you) the term "vapid totalitarian twats."
I find it ironic that the proper way to dispose of the American flag is to incinerate it on the one hand and, if you incinerate it you're liable for legal action on the other hand. Time for a little legal clarification. I know the difference I'm just being cute...
Does trump cuddling and humping the flag count.
Eeewww for that image I will never be able to erase!!!!
Of 🙄
Then you won't want to see the video clip if it. 😄😄
Texas v Johnson, what a dumb fucking idiot.
is it ok to use the American Flag image for sewage/storm drains?
What this country needs is a good White House enema!! Oh, and pass the syringe to us in Texas!
So...shitting on the Constitution isn't a crime any more?
Burning flags was a thing for a while, doesn't seem to be so popular any longer. Back in the 80's people would do it to get a rise out of the conservatives, then it just went away because people were like "Free speech" and shrugged.
"Free Speech Absolutists" My ass.
Why would I burn perfectly good toilet paper?
🤣😅😅😂
Given the jurisprudence of the current Supreme Calvinballcourt of the United States, it's sadly likely that these prosecutions will go forward: "The flag-burning incited LEOs to engage in violence against the perpetrator."
In various "officer-involved shootings" in which a weapon "was discharged."
Who is doing all this flag burning? Where is it a crisis? What is even going on.
Dementia can make you live in the 1980’s again.
Nothing worse than a flag humper
What if it looks like an American flag but it's not and it serves the same purpose of protest? Point being the proposed law is intended to protect the flag but its purpose is to arrest people who are protesting, even to the point of seeking out local burning laws to convict protesters.
so are the twats who defile the flag by dragging it it behind their trucks also going to be prosecuted?
It's already been ruled free speech by the Supreme Cour...oh, fuck.
read section 2(d) closely