The @nytimes.com is in CYA mode far more often than not.

People love to rag on the NYT. They annoy everyone, meaning they're doing something right.

An interesting standard. Should we apply your logic to anyone performing functions on a public sidewalk that would normally be reserved for the privacy afforded by a stall in a restroom. After all, by your reasoning, "They annoy everyone, meaning they're doing something right."

"I am going out of business...making me the victor."

By your logic then, if I just constantly go around shitting on everyone's lawn in broad daylight, I must be doing something right? The NYT is awful.

No. Truth isn’t defined by what’s exactly in the mathematical middle of the loudest voices.

Yeah, what an absurd take on journalism to think that the point of it is to annoy the largest amount of people possible. I guess Newsmax is journalism of the highest quality to Glen.

Newsmax is a Conservative source; nothing centrist about them. It is interesting that Right wingers on X tell me to take my liberal ass to BlueSky where I belong, while hard Lefters call me crap, too. And here I am a guy who spent years with human rights causes and Liberal church membership. 🤷🏻‍♂️

You seem to look at criticism in the most shallow way possible. One should look at what the criticism is, not just if people complain.

Do you talk like this to people face to face in your daily life? If so I feel sorry for those who have to endure your self-appointed superiority.

Yes but I'm sure the tone is different online. You read it how you imagine me saying it and probably not how I would say it. Like I'm guessing you think I was calling you shallow when I was meaning that you just look at "criticism" in general and not what it actually is.

You often hear this fallacy from centrists about the BBC - everyone thinks they're shit, so they must be amazing

Yeah, it's completely moronic.

Centrists are annoying because they won't say what kind of system they want or think would be best. They approach each issue as a unique unconnected event rather than result of specific policies and behaviors. That's why no one likes them. No one knows what they believe so you can't trust them.

Being louder doesn't make you right and both the Left AND Right complain about the NYT being biased against their stands.

That doesn't mean they're neutral or truthful. The truth of a claim isn't determined by who complains about it.

Yeah, if the Times said the moon was made of cheese and the left and the right said that's stupid, it wouldn't make it true, it would make it so absurd everyone can see it.

The right: "the moon is made of cheddar cheese" The NYT: "the cheese that the moon is made of may not be cheddar, say some cheese experts who have examined samples provided by administration officials in bags marked MOON CHEEZ in Sharpie."

I just remember not that long ago the Left embraced the NYT and the Right hated it. Now it seems almost fashionable to hate them by everyone, and I can't help wondering if some group is behind this effort to discredit what was considered a crown of the newspaper business.

No, it's because of stuff like this.

No difference really between the @nytimes.com and TV network news.

That doesn't make any sense. I'm annoyed that they keep publishing anti-trans nonsense. What's "right" about that?

I don't know what articles U R referencing. But IMO, to write of an entire publication bc U didn't like something published abt 1% of the population is short-sighted. Now, no opinions will b changed in continuing this & only blood pressures will rise, not intelligence, so I'm ceasing this exchange.

Nah, fuck you.

But Americans are partly to blame also. A large number don’t know at the minimum how our government functions. State vs Fed. They don’t believe/understand the 3 branches of government are coEqual and used as checks and balances.

The reason the press is so important is they are the ones who keep us informed. It's why the first thing every authoritarian regime does it attack it. Most people I work with tell me they no longer know what to believe.

If Trump does something he doesn't have the legal right to do and the NY Times says "Trump signs executive order recinding spending on blah blah", most people aren't going to say the Times doesn't understand the separation of powers, they are going to say oh, I didn't know he could do that.

It takes a village

Television and newspapers used to have a lot more influence over candidates and campaigns. People used to get their political ideas and news and "vibes" from the press. They don't. Not anymore. Unless you consider social media and hateradio to be part of "the press". I don't 🙂