China's not a role model. They lifted people out of poverty but continue capitalist exploitation, just barring international capitalists from interfering with local industry. The workers must own their means of production, not just replace the private owner with the governmental owner

Yo I am a HARD leftist, as well as a propaganda historian. My area of specialty is 20th century China. Adapt policies, sure. Does China today behave as a communist state- no. But when you say lifting folks out of poverty, you can’t just gloss over the millions who died of starvation.

Those were all people. And their lives were forfeit for the glory of wealth to outdo the West, and succeeded because of information manipulation and cult leadership. Did things ‘get better,’? Yes, if you are viewing things from a capitalistic perspective. But for many, things didn’t. They starved

The current administration is utilizing these same tactics. Don’t glorify this.

"But at what cost" historian.

I mean, literally, yeah.

Has the BBC sent you a job offer already?

I’m sensing sarcasm. (I’m autistic. This is a genuine guess.) Want to fill me in on your position? I am interested in learning more about what you think.

"out of poverty" in China means $58.oo per month...

Millions (maybe more) were dying of starvation prior to Mao.

You are not going to sell me on the forced starvation of anyone to ‘improve’ things. We don’t kill some people and go, “the ends justify the means. 🤷 “ It’s class genocide. Y’all are going so far left you’re circling to the right. Please tell me you see this.

This is my entire life arguing with the capitalists.

I am sorry, I meant capitalist bootlickers. Most of these class traitors actually don't own any capital.

God, please move on from this argument. As a leftist I beg.

lol the meme is funny. It’s just a meme

I mean, even that’s arguable

I mean the policy that lifted those people out of poverty was to abandon the dumb policies that put them there in the first place. It's not like China's poverty rates are stellar in any case, as millions are still in poverty

Some of their policies are not that different from U.S American Republican on social and environmental , when they first started. They are lesser socialist like social democrats. The U.S has very similar economics to china just saying.

People just take policies from whatever state they like in the name of ending poverty, when it make sense.

They class being out of poverty as 58 dollars a month...but thanks for shilling for them...they will appreciate it..

there is always option 3... [I.E. Maybe it wasn't socialism, but what if we tried a more prefigurative socialism?]

(I share a lot of communist memes but I consider myself a socialist)

(i am a staunch communist actually, like yeah anarchist but 100% also a communist and thats what i want to build)

I am 100% with that!!

What if we did Supa Capitalism, where everyone is bourgeois?

"No that would be fascism"

Are you stupid or what?