You asked me "how do you know its not working"? Because this whole "give both sides a platform to present the illusion that they're equally reasonable" has been all over US media for longer than either of us have been alive. And yet, there he is. I'm done. Nazis should die. Argue with yourself.

in this form? in this media environment? no, it really hasn't. we're not talking about the msm sanewashing that has been happening for that long, were talking about extremely popular internet personas being faced directly with effective rebuttals head on (or not).

because in THAT environment the predominant position on the left *absolutely* has been "stand real still and don't make any noise and they'll just go away." obviously, they haven't.

I feel like this is also pretty self-evident when you look at how the right wing internet media approaches the concept of debate with ACTUAL effective debaters like sam seder... it was basically a running meme for years that they were all terrified of him, because they were.

because it is to THEIR advantage for their bullshit to go unchallenged. Steven Crowder literally humiliated himself running away from Seder. Tim Pools audience was mad at him because he was so bad at responding to Sam's arguments when he went on his show.

these people CAN be pulled away, but they will never be unless SOMEONE shows them the light, *in contrast* to the dark that they've been steeped in.