Counterpoint: no it's not

It’s weird as hell that any of us are alive at all, but I for one am deeply invested in this state of affairs.

What about baking

As the kids say: "cope"

It's weird that I ever thought subscribing to The Atlantic was a good idea.

There is no shame in admitting you were lied too. The only shame is doubling down on ignorance.

I’m seeing a lot of screen shots of her pieces and none of them seem good

annie lowrey i’m hiring an etsy witch to curse you

death

Hell yeah journalism is BACK

LOL for realz!

It's weird anyone pays attention to The Atlantic anymore. They have one or two serious people left and that is it.

I mean they're not wrong *ducks*

Those are harder to raise than chickens.

Eggs disrespect Trump. This is what it's come to.

It's weird that we study science and attempt to prevent diseases. It's weird that indoor plumbing and toilets are so commonplace. It's weird that children waste so much time being brainwashed in public schools instead of working the fields and factories. #sarcasm

I want to read the entire thing but it’s gated. Has anyone read the whole thing? (I’m trying to be rational and not explode in rage)

Yeah, it's actually not an excuse for high prices, it's kind of an exposé on the entire egg production industry and how crap it is.

who were we to just think that anyone should be allowed to have water, whether from the tap, the bottle, or the sky?

Hey Nestlé, it looks like you forgot to switch to main before posting that.

@mtsw.bsky.social Kool-Aid moment.

Seriously!? Just put in the headline what it.

I, for one, welcome our new chicken overlords.

I mean, yes, technically, considering the environmental cost and healthcare cost (with farms being breeding grounds for viruses) it is weird that eggs were ever cheap, and it is still weird that they’re as « cheap » as they are. They are artificially cheap compared to their cost to the earth.

What in the dystopia?

With some notable exceptions, @theatlantic.com has been minimizing the true threat of COVID for years. bsky.app/profile/thev...

Oh god, where is Jonathan Swift when we need him. We need a modern version of A Modest Proposal.

I'm reading the article now, and it's truly a head-scratcher.

is it? is it weird, or are you the weird one annie?

Let them eat eggs!

Let them eat cake

Oh fuck OFF

I hope whoever wrote this gets their car and house egged

"Ideas" section What if I fart in a jar? That's an idea too

“Democracy is overrated, anyway”

I hate to be that guy but with egg prices increasing and bird flu on the rise, now’s a great time to find substitutes, lower your animal product intake, or outright go vegan.

Obvs the wife of Ezra Klein. 🤦🏻‍♂️

Another galaxy Brain take form the Atlantic.

She’s confusing Ezra’s BF Matty Y’s Head for an Egg again. Matty Y’s head is an oval. An Egg is not an oval.

Easy thing for a Harvard grad to mix up.

I, too, cannot believe she said "ovals" instead of the correct word "ovoids"

Are you a pedant? Come, sit by me!

it's where people who once had wits go to have them removed before @theatlantic.com they were Lumon Techologies

Isn’t “ovoid” related to the Latin word for egg? Won’t this just mean that eggs are egg shaped?

yeah, and same etymology for “oval”. it’s just one is 2D and one is 3D.

Well, eggs are indeed egg-shaped

Especially since both mean... egg-shaped.

actual chicken eggs are only ovals if you’re drawing them. in 3D reality, they’re ovoids. that’s why there are two words.

Yes I am aware. But both words come from ovum, the Latin word for egg. Referring to an egg as either an oval or an ovoid is redundant, and essentially boils down to "egg-like egg".

1. it was a joke to begin with 2. the subtitle uses “ovals” as a substitute noun for “eggs”; mathematically, it’s far more precise to use “ovoids” as the substitute noun 3. see 1

1. I think we've eggsausted the topic. 2. In fact, perhaps the topic should be ovoided altogether.

see no oval, hear no oval, speak no oval

perfect

They're just ovs. Nothing -oid or -al about them.

oblate spheroid erasure

Once again The Atlantic can f--k right off.

Are eggs the new lobster?

And they say print media is dead

this reads like something an 18th century duchess wrote to one of her friends

What were we thinking, buying so many of these fragile, messy, remarkable ovals?

🥂

We ought to have been fools for even considering such a preposterous idea

What! because we are poor shall we be egg-less? Pray, what means have you to keep me from the galleys, or the gallows?

Yes, I shall confiscate all of the ovum from the peasants! Anyone who dares to defy my order shall be sent to the gallows.

Until such time as I shall find and make a match, with a gentleman whose income is at least five thousand a year, I shall eschew these fragile and remarkable ovals.

Other than like milk, eggs should be near the bottom of the animal product price chart. Chickens will lay them at least every 3 days for years, and it doesn't take a lot of resources to keep them alive. (Note I am not saying factory farming is good, just reflecting on its realities)

the future of eggs is urban chicken farming I guess

Proper industrial supply lines are so cringe fr

No way

Is she high? What the fuck?

Neoliberalism at its finest 🙄

I'd actually like to know the story on this one, so I can laugh at her properly.

Normally I'd assume that's satire but it's the Atlantic, so "Ideas" lol

Chickens literally make eggs if you feed them. Eggs are nutritious and extremely versatile. That's why they're cheap and we eat so many of them! All we have to do is keep the chickens from needlessly dying. That's it.

I mean, yeah, they're fragile... but we figured out how to deal with that... and cheaply! And cooking is messy, in general. What a weird thing to say.

That is b/c of factory farming, which is incredibly destructive The breeding of hens & conditions to produce the eggs in sufficient #s to get you to those cheap prices is deadly And it's factory farms that are spreading H5N1 www.biologicaldiversity.org/programs/pop...

I have a carton of Canadian eggs in my fridge right now, and I'm unsure whether this means I'm rich or a thief who doesn't deserve such protein. Please advise. Can I eat them??

Wait until they go back and you have perfect projectiles.

Me when I've never experienced the sheer number of eggs a chicken produces

We have always been at war with Eastasia.

Wow I didn’t know a one sentence article title could make every cell in my body angry

I bet she thought that subheading sounded really cute.

Even the average $5 per dozen is a fairly cheap meal by today’s standards. That would be about 42 cents per egg.

When the prices come down, we're egging her car, her house and her hair

So tempting to read. But this is the neoliberal devil tempting you with their hot takes.

Vaitomanocuuuuuuuuuu

Black is white, up is down, night is day, America is Russian

The Atlantic is a shell of what it was 20 years ago.

The Atlantic once climate change fucks us over:

so now we don't even deserve eggs, huh? ffs these soulless ghouls will normalize everything that makes our lives shittier and write condescending articles trying to manufacture our consent how much more will we tolerate I wonder

Did anyone read this? Is it as bad as it sounds?

i agreed with it to be honest. just because so many people rely on them as a cheap source of food doesnt mean it isnt deeply fucked up what happens to chickens in industrial egg farms. the entire system needs to be changed not only for our benefit, but for animals' too.

Ok, so it was about the cruelty of factory farming. I would be much more willing to pay more for ethical foods. I also understand that some people can barely afford to provide enough calories for their families.

It would also only cost a few pennies extra per serving for all livestock to be given decent lives with outdoor access and good food. The educational YT channel Kurzgesagt literally just made a video about this and linked all of their sources! Cruelty-free food does not at all need to be expensive

i couldnt agree more.

So the atlantic just lets people submit opinion pieces that they typed up by smacking their head against the keyboard? Good to know 👍

I mean, it was pretentious of us to even consider eating an egg. I’ve been doing a lot of growing and learning.

I've been gnawing on a lot of tubers and roots, as befits my station

Please only eat the leaves. That way, the plant can sprout again for the next person.

[burrows out of reach]

👏👏

Some asshole during ramp season, every year. Leave me this one joy of foraging like my ancestors and eating every bit because goddamn.

"You know actually, I think we have too many human rights When you get them by the dozens, it really makes you appreciate them less, individualy."

oh my god she's married to Ezra Klein, there is two of them

Yeah, how dare poor people have a cheap, easily available source of protein?

Wow.

Next month “It’s weird that we even had Social Security”

Trump has merely restored the natural order of things, you see.

So chop chop soon?

Also known for such bangers as "it is possible to kill children legally".

like we gotta get the guillotine out right

The Atlantic continues its decline lmao

What's even weird about it? They're one of the easiest animal based proteins to produce and have a virtuous cycle in self-replenishing via new chickens

They slaughter 350 million baby chickens in shredders every year, and they don't even have to 🤷 apnews.com/article/eggs...

"Little Monetary Value" is also a weird take - like the excess chickens couldn't also have been used for stock chickens. You don't even need to excessively feed them. The more tough meat makes for a better broth - this just raises the question of what the fuck chicken stock is actually made out of

Salt?

It would only cost a few pennies extra per carton of eggs for them end all chick culling and just scan fertilised eggs! Like the prices Americans pay for eggs that aren't even cruelty free is ridiculous! Where I live every option for eggs is cruelty-free and free range!

The article is about that - it's a good question whether or not it's being implemented in the United States though

Germany banned it in 2013; France in 2022; Italy upcoming in 2027 inovo.nl/the-evolutio... US has the ovo-sexing technology now, but still TBD on whether we have the political will to require it (apologies on the total derail ... US also subsidizes eggs, which keeps them cheaper)

I think it's useful information to have that otherwise people - including myself - wouldn't have been aware of or considered. I'd only add that while we may subsidize eggs the subsidies only go toward mass produced eggs that arguably are lower quality. Anything pasture raised or organic still is $$

In fact the shortages in the United States have really only mostly been noticeable with those lower quality eggs - we buy Farm Raised/Organic and the price on those hasn't shifted despite the change in demand very much Which is nice - for once there's two separate supply curves being observed

They're trying to sell us on starvation

Nah come on.

I love you Wikipedia, never change.

Whoever wrote that is getting permabanned tho lol

A Comrade willing to die for the cause /s

It’s actually an interesting article www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archiv...

Actually, it reminds me of that time astroturfers tried instrumentalising discussions on sexism to deflate support for Luigi Mangione Both criticising the animal holocaust and sexism are very valid. Doing it with that title in the current cultural context though cant not feel a bit manipulative

Straight out of Sykes & Matza’s techniques of neutralization: 1. It’s not my fault 2. Ok it’s my fault, but it wasn’t so bad. 3. Ok it was bad, but they had it coming. 4. Ok they didn’t have it coming, but you’ve done bad too! 5. And besides I had a good reason. Each one its own think piece.

1. Expensive eggs aren’t Trump’s fault 2. Ok, they are, but they aren’t that expensive 3. Actually, we shouldn’t be eating eggs at all 4. It’s our own fault eggs are expensive 5. It’s good that eggs are expensive now!

It's weird that people still subscribe to the Atlantic.

My 14-year-old cousin has a chicken coop in his backyard they're cheap because they may as well be as easy to make as piss

Wild that there are so many high five ass comments on a headline screenshot that didn't post the article because its content ruins the dunk www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archiv... removepaywall.com

Ok but like Who the fuck wants to read the Atlantic?

Now THAT is a legit point lol

She doesn't even address anything new or explain WHY she believes this. It's just the same industry-driven misinformation in a new Atlantic article. "There's always beans?" We should all be so lucky! I'm heinously allergic! Not even her platitudes lift a finger on the subject! Swish, and dunk

I'm sorry the author didn't call you to check on your dietary restrictions prior to writing, that's insurmountably cruel of her indeed

Well it's not like she checked into why they trim beaks so badly, which has a lot more to do with the inhumane caging practices and resulting health problems than you think! Thanks for taking the bait, I knew you were gobbling up this shart of an article without question 🫶🏻

It kind of doesnt ruin the dunk though. I did go through and read it, the article says basically nothing of import, but it doesnt need to. No one reads articles anymore, and they know that. If they want to spread an idea, stick in the title of an article and send it off, regardless of the contents

The fact that the article itself is meaningless is further proof of the article's intention, I feel. Can I prove it? No. But in the age of dogwhistles, you cant take anything for granted.

bsky.app/profile/kenn... wild that you're gonna make me tap the sign again

Didn't say that but ok

Literally you did but I know it's hard to admit you're wrong after coming in smug

I do want to point out, for the crowd, that this article has a piss poor headline but largely is about just how miraculous it was that eggs ever got that cheap. It's not a right wing hit piece. It's really more a dissertation on the fact that eggs became cheap through tech. archive.ph/6Tynx

Most of this article is industry-driven misinformation that is either outdated, incomplete, or is only in place BECAUSE factory farms are so heinously run. It's class warfare on the poor. Once again, the problem is not eating food, the problem is capitalism.

Just SOME of the problems in this ongoing gish-gallop: Trimming beaks is only necessary for birds who eat eggs or cannibals. Birds will pick open ANY scab, even from needles. Beaks are like dog claws and you can trim before the quick without injury... Unless it's done too quick, often the case.

Further, euthanasia is 99.8% more humane and often the end result of any attempts to anaesthetize birds, especially livestock. Are you going to feed MILLIONS of roosters, bulls, rams? They regularly fight and kill each other on accident. We trim hens' beaks to keep them from eating THEMSELVES.

Notice I am not arguing against the inhumanity of the battery cages. They are built explicitly for the convenience of the humans raising egg-laying chickens. They are worse than you can imagine. "Free-range" often means the exact same barn without cages. Workers need TYVEK + N100 to enter either.

Letting birds be REALLY free-range exposes them to risk, namely wildlife. Hiring workers to protect them costs money. Chicken and eggs have historically been cheap BECAUSE they can be barn-raised. This is not discussed, nor compared to other proteins like beef which can be raised on feedlots.

Tech that tortures living creatures. 😿

Yes, the article mentions that multiple times that male chickens are basically indiscriminately killed and that the females basically live on printer paper sized spaces.

I once saw this *HORRIBLE* short film where a worker looks to see if a chick is male, and then if it is, it's put on a conveyor belt. At the end of the belt is a big plastic bag. In drops the chicks and down comes this giant press and squishes the chicks. 🙀🙀🙀 It may have been a USSR era film.

YES! I'm here for a Chick-fil-A cows vs. the Atlantic hens showdown: whoever wins, we all lose.

😂👏🏼

FTFY

“Let them eat eggs”

Sorry annie, canadians can't hear you from your tower old.reddit.com/r/EhBuddyHos... Pound cake and pavlova anyone?

Not the onion

Holly shit!!! So now we need to bear a history lesson (dinosaurs, seriously) from the wife if fucking ezra klein to whitewash why egg prices won’t come down? But she never care to explain this shit last year? His husband surely reminded us that Biden was bringing us closer to economic collapse.

First stage of grief: Denial

“Eggs are complicated, they should cost like $100 each!” Michael J Nelson

"Are Eggs Necessary?"

The reality is Americans pay much less for food than most nations because of our shoddy & cruel industrial farming practices that harm animals & farm workers, and USDA subsidies that reward shoddy practices.

😂

straight toooo the guillotineeeee

This person owes royalties to vegans.

Wtf

I went looking for this quote and hoooooly crap. www.irishcentral.com/roots/genoci...

I'm so unbelievably put out by the fact that this is a real article and not satire you made to piss me off

This is gonna quickly devolve in to 'No Really, We Should Be Grateful the Billionaire Class Can Legally Hunt the Poors For Sport'.

Capitalism brain rot is getting so much worse

Coastal elite media opinion writers gain object permanence challenge: difficulty level impossible

@nytpitchbot.bsky.social

Suggestions of titles for follow up articles - “ mobs were never this rowdy” And “ oh gosh isn’t my neck fragile”

I'd think "hey this expensive thing is now actually cheap" would be a good thing.

Wut

jfc

the atlantic is atlantic-ing

Someone better be sneaking up behind her with chloroform right now

Consent manufacturing machine go BRRRRRRRRRR

please burn this news company down please

mandatory FUCK THE ATLANTIC

Why were eggs cheap?? Cause chickens shit them out every few days whether we eat them or not lol like…what is going on here???

The first 3 years, without artificial light, about an egg per day, then it slowly declines. Chicken egg farms keep them under artificial light and make them continue to produce an egg per day. They use breeds like Golden Comet, etc. which are prolific layers.

Chickens emphatically do not lay that much. A leghorn or a golden comet, under IDEAL circumstances, will lay about 325 eggs in its first 16 or so months of life, and then production drops off by about 20% per year after that, until around year 3 when they mostly die young of reproductive issues.

Also golden comets/red stars & leghorns are modern industrial production hens specifically bred to be uber-layers. Your standard heritage bird will lay closer to 200 eggs in the first cycle & 20% less than that each year after, but may lay for 6 or 8 years.

Ummm, thanks for the Ted Talk, I'll go out back and tell it to my chickens 😉

often several times a day, depending on the time if year and breed of chicken, and you don't have to raise them in hell conditions to make that happen either!

It’s wild because humans have had domesticated chickens for…a very long time. They’re small, don’t need much food and produce food for humans. This really should be a no-brained lol

It's why we've kept them around for so long, fr

And you can eat the chicken or the egg.

I'm a small farmer who humanely raises layer hens, surrounded by many colleagues who do the same, and I have NEVER heard of a hen laying more than one egg in a day. I don't doubt it's happened, but certainly not routinely, and CERTAINLY not "several" eggs in a day.

A leghorn or red star MIGHT lay two on opposite ends of a 24 hour period, but again, I've never seen or heard of this happening in my 8 years doing this in a community of small farmers. More likely I expect them to lay about 6 eggs a week their 1st yr, 4 in their 2nd, less in the wintertime.

yeah, at most two, sorry for the imprecise wording

All good!

Ok but have you tried hiring a crooner to sing to your chickens? youtu.be/sEwX6pFFAtU?...

LOL I have not, clearly I have failed them. (I know this is meant as a joke but there's actually been careful scientific research done that shows that hens actually can lay more eggs when they're exposed to certain kinds of music. I guess maybe it calms them?)

Oh my Goodness I was just *joking* to my fiance the other day about singing to our chickens every day, do you remember who did that research you mentioned?

I couldn't find the study I saw, but here's a solid summary of other studies done: www.jahankaveh.com/en/effect-of...

Awesome, tysm

I guess we are reaching this future.

"fragile, messy, remarkable ovals" she could just @ me

In lieu of eggs, please eat the rich instead

This is amazing

Eventually... "It Has Always Been Weird That We Were Able to Make a Living And I'm Tired of Pretending It Is Not. Aren't our bodies made in the perfect shape of a serf, meant to live and die in service and at the pleasure of the Masters?"

She's on here... IJS

Retail price for eggs in Canada is half the wholesale price in the US and our government keeps the price artificially expensive.

“It just one egg, Michael. What could it cost? Ten dollars?”

yeah someone's gonna have to kill this woman I think

And this is why I’ve said for a long time, fuck The Atlantic

God I hate that couple

Lol

Do not, my friends, become addicted to Egg.

Not reading it, but eggs, just like ALL "cheap" animal products are the result of mass abuse and torture of animals. That's why it's cheap.

it's not really about the eggs it's about telling poor people to lower their expectations

Have you tried reading the article? because it was anything but a classist judgment on egg consumption

It’s a bizarre defence of the Trump Administration

It’s bizarre because the Atlantic had always criticized Trump even before he became president. Also, it’s not like there is an switch at the white house called “Resolve (insert random Economic) Issue”. Even if Kamala had become president she would had faced this exact same problem.

On the one hand she went to Harvard, but on the other hand she supports universal basic income. It is totally possible she's just having a breakdown.

JFC.

You can’t fool me, a chicken wrote that.

oh for the love of god

Saw this a bit ago. Sometimes, Kennedy. Sometimes I think about the fragility of the human body.

Why are people sending this rag money? Invest in Wired, it's cheaper and at least 50% of The Atlantic magazine in any given week is written by chuds.

Ah, The Atlantic, treasure trove of piping-hot dogshit takes.

“Let them eat… not eggs”

Wall

The Atlantic needs to shuttered, permanently. Scum publication on all fronts that is actively harmful to the world

These Republicans need to live in fear of being slapped in broad daylight holy shit

Apparently we are supposed to subsist on a diet of watered down gruel.

Block that clown

Ugh yeah good advice. I am definitely gonna have beans and rice with dinner now though, that sounds yummy.

I mean, nothing wrong with cheap food, the French have done amazing things with it, but getting to the watered down part is bad.

I hate The Atlantic. I can barely even articulate why, other than that it's like full throttle doomerism.

Trying to get cutesy 🤢

Ezra Klein’s wife!

Doesn’t work as well as you’d hope in [Borat voice]

It's giving "water is a privilege" energy, where's this '"journalist'" from? A mad max film?

They're trying to normalize how expensive eggs are now

That old playbook: 1. It didn't happen 2. Even if it did happen it's not a big deal 3. Okay it did happen but you don't understand <-- we're here 4. It did happen and it was awesome

5. It did happen, but it’s not the reason the results you predicted occurred 6. Okay, it caused the results you predicted but those are good results 7. Okay the results are bad, but the alternative was worse 8. I always knew the thing would happen and I was trying to stop it

9. Repeat from any point from above.

Did we get to X. It did happen and they deserved it

“Thank god we’re finally free from the tyranny of an eggs!” Coming soon

This instead

Only the rich should be allowed to consume protein.

Woof

real 'let them eat cake' vibe right there.

Impossible that this wasn't thought up by @nytpitchbot.bsky.social

He’s got a tough job to outdo some of these writers

I can smell the bong rip through the screen

this is more of a shrooms thought tbh

i didn’t read the article but the cost of animal proteins like eggs is only typically low because the animals are treated horrendously. sorry for veganposting but it’s true!

like there’s a reason eggs from chickens kept in less shitty conditions have always been $$$

Fwiw Mass. buyers have been restricted to buying "cage-free" eggs for nearly a decade since Question 3 passed in 2016 and haven't felt nearly the same impact they're feeling now from the mass cullings to prevent/slow spread of H5N1, as Q3's opponents (big ag companies) warned we would.

Even if true (sadly it is), they're running this line of argument now out of convenience, Atlantic op ed people are not interested in ecological sustainability or animal liberation, they're in it to browbeat/shame the poor. Classic case of Bad Faith Arguers being both correct and full of shit.

that eventually becomes the point of the argument to some degree, but it's buried so deep into the article as to feel like an excuse of "no you didn't read it all, so you don't know what i really meant"

The article is about that, you got the idea. I didn't and thought this editor was putting out "we should actually celebrate high prices!!!" propaganda, but it wasn't.

"It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week."

ok this is an insane article to write right now, but it is genuinely a thought ive had all the time

Maybe eggs were just the human spirits we cracked along the way

these are the people who will look at Japan's plentiful eggs and assume it is magic and not giving a shit about food safety

Alienation from modes of production & reality be like

Did anyone read the read the article? I am intriged to know how she tries to justify this lunatic take, but the thing is paywalled (of course)

Can’t afford eggs? qu'ils mangent de la brioche! 🍰

A headline so intensely McArdle that I am utterly shocked Meghan had nothing to do with it

"So get used to it, peasants." [slides into 318 egg bath]

already adding other incredients to when she is eaten

Imagine spouting this? Like what even is their thought process?

i wanted to read the full article just to see if she makes some kind of salient point here but no, its paywalled. shame. fuck the atlantic, i guess.

FFS. Those millennials and their egg toast, amirite? Next thing you know, the peasants will be demanding water and air and light. Lousy freeloaders.

Apart from everything else I hate the act of "over describing a thing" on the place of actual analysis or criticism.

Haha @theonion.com , you almost got me.

"Let them eat egg substitutes...."