Keep hearing Liberals saying how they have not clearly communicated what they stand for. But what DO they stand for other than the interests of greedy old white boomers who will go to their graves in a warming world clutching onto their franking credits. And I’m a rich old white boomer. #4Corners
Well said. And then there’s the ‘women problem’ they can’t seem to figure out. They’ve fought feminism every step of the way, because it doesn’t agree with their values. But, hey, no problems with their values!
Conservatism is simply trying to convince voters to vote against their own interests. That’s why they only ever complain about their messaging failing.
As a boomer, I concur. The libertarian drivel they peddle is little more than a greed creed
Failing to communicate the ‘benefits’ of reform was Kennett’s excuse too
Yeah me too - pretty ashamed of some of my older friends - still talk like our conservative parents did in the 60s - same old slogans
Those people are usually illiterate, I’ve found, wrongly assuming their winning of the generational real estate lottery makes them financial geniuses. A reckoning is coming.
Aside from a tiny group of people - everybody is getting it in the ass.
As someone who's seen a lot of elections go past, the Liberals have well & truly lost their way. The decline starts with Howard ramping up the rhetoric from Thatcherism & Reagan. WorkChoices anyone? The economic failures from the LNP since & their major shift off centre has left them out in the cold
The Libs say Australians don’t know what their policies are. But the Libs don’t have policies. They have talking points and imported culture wars. Essentially a US Republican franchise, they are not interested in governing. Division and mean-spiritedness is their end game. Just appalling people.
" We don't have policies, we are not in government" said the relevant spokesmoron prior to the election.
The Libs still think we live in Howard’s world. But those who voted for him in ‘96 are now mostly dead. People that age now are better educated, mostly progressive, accept climate change, worry about their kids & grandkids and reject the sexist, racist, science-denying worldview of the Coaltion
Hear, hear
They’ve driven off a demographic cliff just like the UK Tories. How sad.
Agree utterly and totally!
Retired public school principal John Frew captures Sussan Ley’s near impossible task in dragging the Liberal Party (never mind its fossil fuel-captured coalition partner) from the far right back to policies that reflect the concerns of middle Australia. johnmenadue.com/post/2025/05...
She will have no hope
It's true. While generally lnp voters may be inclined to give Sussssan a go, there's no way they'll vote for them with the current mongrel male line up. While Angus, Ted etc are still there, they're unelectable.
Howard managed a Liberal majority in the parliament, he maintained the coalition in case he needed it after the following election
Principal Liberal policy: Constantly denigrate Labor in order to gain power for its own sake. Born to Rule Mob can't afford to let Labor have a go at running the country properly.
The exploiters
Make the under 35 year olds pay for every stupid law the Liberals made up
Spot on. That last election just told us that new generations are deciding now. Until all those Liberal MPs who were there when Abbott was elected are gone, the Party is stuffed.
And hopefully have a better stance on off shore detention and believe that seeking asylum is not illegal.
I had the misfortune of disagreeing with one yesterday. Unhinged. You can't talk to them because they have a conspiracy theory for every occasion.
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All very true
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There are apparently now more guns in Australia than before Port Arthur. Mr Howard’s only redeeming legacy has not stood the test of time.
Yes, but the Australian population has increased by more than 40% since the firearms law reforms, so there are fewer firearms per capita, which is one of many enduring reform legacies. www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion...
Sounds like the US is the problem
They have the Qld LNP as a shining (gilded turd) example to show the country what they do best. Crissifulli's sole raison d'etre seems to be providing fodder for the Murdoch media's culture wars. Punch down on First Nations, cancel literary awards, Sharks! Kill them! & cancel renewables etc etc etc
Agreed. It’s Mean Politics for Unhappy People.
The Qld LNP are a particularly clueless bunch of Numpties so I have every confidence that by the next election even their best buddies in the business world will vote them out just to be shot of their incompetence & utter idiocy.
Spot On!
Well stated
A bizarre 4C, hardly a deep analysis of the Liberal Party’s problems by independent experts but rather, everyone blaming everyone else…..same happened after 2022 election, a lame attempt to resuscitate a dying Liberal Party….
Those who denigrate boomers are presumably not including their own parents and grandparents...
No, I include my parents
Yes, I often think the biggest mistake my fellow boomers made was having too many kids.
Ok I’ll wear that ;)
I’m 66
So do your children/grandchildren denigrate you for being a boomer?
No, I’ve convinced the real evil ones are Gen X - ScoMo’s generation.
Totally agree.
Mine, a refugee, handed out HTV's for the DLP in the 50's. Kept progressives out of gov for too long. Came to his senses by the 60's & fought union campaigns for his profession in the 70's. Now in his 90's he hosted an ALP corflute on his fence & celebrated with a DuckFutton red. People are complex
Exactly.
And I bet he's not whinging about being taxed on his $3 miilion super balance....
Ha, he wishes. He only whinges - or rather perplexed - that his mates get full pensions (🙄) & seem able to travel the world yet he only gets a part pension - because yes his teaching super scheme was pretty good. He knows his Boomer status has been good to him though
Yes, I don't think the $3million whingers are in industry super funds - theirs would be S MSF's.
as the old saying goes, you can't take it with you.
They clearly told everyone what they stand for, in directing voters to say NO to the voice, it says they stand for control, not independent thinking or trust. Old white backward thinking old smelly, old white men, and a few old women. Only the same people voted for them.
And only believe in exploitation
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So am I and what are franking credits??
Their problem is people do understand their policies.
Retired white male here, financially comfortable. Stuff those ratbags they don't give a damn about anything worthwhile. They have no empathy, no feelings except for their own petty selves. I'd like a genuine contest of ideas, but one side is clueless.
No values. No vision. No mission. No strategy. No goals for the place. Just a pandering to their donors and vested interests.
squatters, grifters, chancers and religious nutters
I'll never forget Andrew Bolt sneering on Sky News about how the ALP's policies favoured privileged people 'like students'.
The Liberals are a front for the $billiobaires, IPA networks, Trump’s Atlas network. The Liberal Party don’t have any policies. Their ‘management’, as National Littleproud referred to the shadow back room figures on 7.30 ABC, tells them what their policies, talking points are on a given day.
I think they've communicated very well exactly what they stand for and I for 1 hope they continue to do so until they're completely extinct.
My mum is still waiting for her franking credits. Despite not ever owning shares 😆
I’ve got some shares and am still waiting to pay the “negative tax” Labor said I was already paying.
And the irony is her franking credits, even if she had them, were never imperilled. The issue was refunds for people whose tax liability was less than their franking credits. Hint: Not many. Already comfortable. Mostly pretty well off.
I tried to explain it to her but she wouldn't have it 😆
There were plenty like her Claire
Yeah well, thanks to her and people like her, we got Scomo. Simply unforgivable 😡
I’m still waiting for my 550 bucks electricity subsidy promised us by Tony Abbott!
So much waiting... 😄
Goodness! I dont mean to mock, but wonder if there are people now thinking they are in danger of losing their super tax profits?
Probably 😊
That is code for ‘we’re not lying good enough!’
Me too and I will never vote for them!!
Having long ago turned JFKs “Ask not what your country can do for you” maxim on its head, many conservatives/neo cons now kid themselves that what’s good for THEM, is good for the country.
The corporate mate state, trickle down economics, tax minimisation rorts, deregulated labour, punitive welfare & class-centric everything from education to medicine are the kinds of things Tories value today.
Yup, we heard them loud and clear, that's why they have been decimated, how is it possible to learn less than nothing from an electoral drubbing?
Reading article today on Australian’s superannuation and how much, and growing, is past on in bequests. More money to abate climate and environment catastrophes and revision of tax system which supports the rich.
Nobody knows what they stand for except themselves and their rich friends. They don’t know either. What they’re about to do is basically survey us see what we want and promise to give it to us. They have no ethics, no vision, no policies. And no principles. And hopefully no hope.
Exactly. When a party no longer knows what they believe in, or if the beliefs they do have are rejected, then they no longer have a reason to exist. A party coalesces around an ideology. They don't hunt for ideologies to create a party.
They stand for opposing a labour movement.
The Liberal Party seems to be confusing what it stands for with what the Liberal Party SAYS it stands for. Fortunately, most voters has seen and noted what the Liberal Party ACTUALLY stands for. It'd be great if the media finally pointed out the Liberal Party's gaslighting about "values". #AusPol
Or rather, the Libs confuse what they stands for with what their donors stand for - wrecking the planet (miners), monetising division (Murdoch), war profiteering & demonising refugees (defence and security industry), killing public education (private schools), wrecking Medicare (private insurers)
Well. They had EVERY channel going "Dutton says", every 15 minutes. And then giving him 15 minute rants. So---- best they look at themselves.
They stand for nothing
The fact is they didn't have any policy and all they could do was attack ads. They crap on they had a defence plan, they had an education plan but, but, but it got released the day before or we couldn't use it...
Precisely. The pundits are saying they are shocked they performed so badly. I’m shocked they didn’t perform worse. Their ‘plans’ were culture war triggers dressed up as thought-out policy.
Christopher Pyne admitted on Gruen on ABC that the defence "policy" was just a fabricated idea with zero detail He said when he was asked about it during the campaign he just made up things on the spot because nobody had provided an actual policy
And the fact is we can all see this. It’s karaoke politics. But then we are expected to play the ‘karaoke public’, mouthing along with the predictable scripts uttered by a zombie journo class.
Don't tell Hastie, he reckons he had quite a detailed policy that was effectively hidden by Dutton and his team of flying election monkeys.
Yes Henderson said the same about Education. Funny that
Times are changing! The Boomers are passing! Hence almost half of the House Of Rep' is LNP To the ALP with a larger Cross BENCH!
Love It!
I listened to election coverage on most channels on election night, including Sky News. IT WAS GLORIOUS WATCHING THE LNP AND ET AL SQUIRMING IN THEIR OWN BULLSHIT🤣🤣🤣
I'm nearly the same as you, but I ain't rich. I had a great life though, teaching great kids.
