it's genuinely difficult to tell what's going on with it. ive spoken with a friend of mine who's a physician about the hand thing everyone is obsessed about and it's apparently not really determinative of any serious health issues (but obviously doesnt rule out any serious health issues either!)
That’s similar to what my wife, a RN, says. It’s not good, but many of the things it’s indicative of can run on for more years than he has left in this term. Same with the swollen ankles
the fact that they are so secretive with any trump health information makes doing kremlinology and speculation impossible to avoid. he's 79 and a lot of guys that age encounter serious health problems, its not really sensible to assume he's in good health as a baseline absent other evidence
Health stuff is also like one of the only things hes managed to always keep a very tight lid on
I think things are not Gucci for him but hey ive been lots before wrong before so not going to be super confident about that
That and his actual net worth.
When it took days to come up with medical reports of his injury after he’d been shot kinda suggested there might be some underlying health issues beyond his weight he hadn’t been open about.
The guy flat out says I love McDonald's and drinks diet coke like water in addition to being 79. People have died much younger and in much better shape for absolutely no reason. Gotta start to wonder what conversations are being had.
a lot of the lifestyle stuff is but otoh gotta spot him some health points for never smoking or drinking though
Donald has never been seen with alcohol or tobacco in public but I’m not sure I’d trust the word that he’s avoided every drug.
Well, his mental health is clearly declining, although that merely makes everything worse for the rest of us and seems to leave his followers undeterred. His utility to J.D. and others would seem to determine how long he remains in power.
His family history suggests he'll be around for a while.
I figure if he's still golfing, he's still relatively healthy.
He's a dyed in the wool golf-cart guy. Probably takes 200 steps on 18 holes. He gets zero health benefit from golfing.
Maybe, but my mom only made it to 58 and her mom made it to 96. Was Fred the McDonalds addict Donnie is?
Yeah a combo of genes and president medicine made me think he was gonna keep trucking well into his 90s (as a vegetable), but on the other hand he seems to think he’s gonna die soon? Could just be the hypochondriac in him talking though
i cant genuinely believe he would accept the fact he would die soon even if he received a terminal diagnosis. "power of positive thinking" philosophy absolutely doesn't allow for that
He was freaking out about dying when he had COVID so we know this is something he is capable of seriously contemplating
It will be deeply funny to me if Biden outlives Trump
he might FEEL terrible physically, too, which could be part of it
I think people underrate that being president (even half-assing it like Trump does) is kind of exhausting. Lots of travel, lots of meeting people, lots of being on camera.
Fred Trump was not a well man for like the last decade of his life. Just a few years older than Trump and he couldn't remember his birthdate or age. Around perhaps, but the chances that Trump is non-functional within a year are not small.
crossing my fingers that he's burning the candle at both ends by sleeping three hours a night and spending every waking moment in a state of confused rage
Also very likely that he's been on uppers for several years now and still looks and sounds this bad.
his mental state is also worse than ever, with every day bringing a new level of nonsense I didn't think was possible to exceed the day before I'd consider that more of a sign than anything else Imagine what he blathers when the cameras are off....
The people I know who have a medical background think the swollen legs and general dazedness are more concerning than the bruises, but those can also be explained by the fact that he’s an old man who eats hamburgers and stays up all night raging about TV shows
i think the mental decline is really evident - guy's always been a dipshit but the contrast to how he spoke in 2015 is really striking. to me the most medically concerning thing was when he zonked out on stage and swayed to music for 40 minutes in the 2024 campaign!
How was that not the end of his campaign right there?
Yeah the Ave Maria Sessions were, to borrow a line from a former president, some really weird shit
i’d throw in repeatedly falling asleep during his criminal trial
I think about "let's make it a music" at least once a week
just the total normal shit that a guy not suffering a series of mini-strokes would say
The furtiveness is a bigger flag to me than the bruises. But Trump's conception of strength might also insist that even a mostly benign health issue needed to be concealed, so who knows.
Also he fucking froze on stage for 30 minutes last year something is very obviously wrong with him. Plus his family history of dementia. And you know the constant bragging about acing the dementia screener, which means he's constantly being given the dementia screener, which...
And they're bragging about how healthy he is, and their track record is only denying the stuff that's true, so...
Oh yeah how could I forget all the sudden talk about getting into heaven, surely not any kind of tell at all from the senile guy with absolutely zero filter.
Even if you assume that's an IV because he's had to get a line put in, there's like a million downstream possibilities that could imply between days & decades to live.
The non-paranoid take is that is if he is getting an IV for something, they could have done it in several places that aren’t so obvious. The reality is old people bruise easily and it can take them a long time to heal. Older people have thinner skin usually.
Collagen breaks down fast past 70
I wouldn’t otherwise be giving any of the physical ‘tells’ much credence, but he has also been talking like a guy who thinks he’s maybe about to die.
To me it says he’s getting regular IV fluids. Beyond that who knows
Yeah, I suspect this is the case, but it doesn't mean it's something critical. At the same time, them revealing that he has venous insufficiency is almost certainly underselling the extent of what he does have.
Old people love to bruise! Sometimes it’s nothing and Trump, a tremendously vain man, is going to try to hide it.
I’m actually somewhat of an expert on this, as I once got a bruise on my own hand and died almost immediately.
A buddy of mine is a doctor and is convinced the CVI is not stand-alone and he’s probably had at least mini-strokes. Even if he has congestive heart failure, it’s very hard to predict. He could die tomorrow, or he could live another 5-7 years.
a lot of old guy shit is like that. you don't decline steadily over time, you can go downhill very rapidly in a single incident or over a few days/weeks or plateau for years and be basically fine. as you say, hard to predict.
If he ever takes a real tumble, he could be gone in a day.
attrition rate for heavy guys is not great in the 80s not only because of heart stuff but because you take one bad fall and your hip/knee can be gone in a second
Let him golf.
Trump diminished might work as well for us as Trump dead. Will it happen? Who the hell knows. He could putter on like this for a decade, or he could stroke out tomorrow. He definitely looks like shit though, and I feel like we should draw people's attention to that.
The media insisted that it was important to speculate wildly about Hillary and Biden's health, what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
The health stuff is turning into its own Ah well, nevertheless
all the evil old rich guys who eat nothing but creamed noodles and blackened steak and haven’t exercised ever live to be 100
Maybe not within a day but weeks/months. Look at his buddy Hulk Hogan.
I think the thing to look for is less golf and jet travel. Even with a cart, an afternoon on the links is hard for someone with advanced CHF. Same with air travel. The unsteady gait when he met Putin along with the puffy ankles could be fluid buildup/diuretics relief, more of tell than bruises.
per Hemingway, Slowly and then All At Once
yeah, congestive heart failure seems like the most likely thing imo. my grandfather had it for at least a decade...and that's not even what eventually killed him. mini strokes also seem highly likely, but again, nothing that would signal anything imminent
My wife’s grandfather was diagnosed with CHF and was gone like 8 months later. Of course he was 90 when he got diagnosed. If he had CHF and it’s in the early stages, he’ll be in decline and they won’t be able to prop him up for the public-facing part of the job anymore in 2-3 years.
As someone who's spent a lot of time caring for a couple of seniors, spontaneous bleeding is not in the least bit uncommon and really shouldn't be taken as necessarily indicative of serious health issues
those thicc ankles tho 😍
Edema is also something old people love to spontaneously develop. Not a great sign but not an indicator of impending doom either.
Yeah. Even if he actually has something like congestive heart failure, he has he best medical care in the world. He could go on like this for years.
Old people bruise really easily is just a thing that’s true.