Redrawing was Newsom’s idea, or at least wouldn’t have happened if he hadn’t championed it, similar to Abbott. There’s no “legislative commission”, the maps have been drawn—we vote them up or down. The “No” campaign is already centered on the “abandonment” of the citizen’s commission.
You don’t understand the process in CA. Citizens can put amendments on the ballot through petitions, as can the legislature by passing measures. This legislative constitutional amendment will be on the ballot as Prop 50.
Which again, Gavin would have very little control over. My point still stands
Yes. Newsom merely publicly advocated for it, signed the legislative action that will get the repeal proposal onto the November ballot, will presumably campaign extensively for Yes, and will sign into law any new maps that get approved if the referendum is successful. So your point is he's not ... ?
But he wouldn’t (or at least shouldn’t if they’re living up to the name of the bill) have control over how the congressional map is drawn *if* the amendment is voted into law. And that would take control away from the independent citizens’ commission because they have to…out-Texas Texas??
It’s clear you don’t understand the process. In TX, new maps were made law by the legislature plus Abbott’s signature. In CA, the leg put a measure on the ballot for voters will do that. All that is left is voter approval. Here’s Assembly version: ctweb.capitoltrack.com/public/searc...
Note that it refers to AB604, which actually draws the maps: ctweb.capitoltrack.com/public/searc...
So your complaint/question of what role Newsom might play in the drawing of districts is moot: the legislature already drew them, and they go into effect if the voters approve AND the TX legislature goes forward, which they already did.
Question isn’t moot. It’s in the name of the bill, you *don’t* want the appearance of gerrymandering. This is supposed to be fighting rigging, not leaving the system open to it. The system before was fine. Dems are losing their shit and flailing because they got their asses handed to them last year.
The proposed amendment would have the legislature creating the map, and the problem with that is it leaves the system open to gerrymandering. As I said before, the will of the legislature isn’t always necessarily the will of the citizens. And again, Gavin would just be signing off on the new maps.
No. The legislature has DRAWN the maps, which will go into effect if and only if the voters approve in the special election. You seem amazingly unable to understand this.
Since he's also objecting to the mean bad Democrats doing gerrymandering in literal self-defense, we might have to entertain the possibility that he's simply a bad-faith troll.
Sorry, are you five years old? “Other side bad, so we have to sink to their level.” This isn’t some stupid game. Where the fuck do you expect this to go? You think other states won’t try this as well?
I do think so. In fact, one Republican state has already done this at direct Presidential order, and it would almost certainly not stop there whatever California did. Your alternative strategy does seem promising, though it might help to flesh out a few details.
I do understand it, and that’s the problem. You’re giving Gavin all this credit which he should not be getting if this amendment is living up to its name. The old system was fine.
I’m not giving Newsom credit for anything he didn’t do. You’re opposed to this, fine. But you’re clearly not from CA, because these questions have been discussed intensely here for 2 weeks. We LIKE the old system; this is being done ONLY in reaction to TX. And the voters will decide, unlike TX!
The will of the legislature, again, is not always the will of the citizens. The citizens had their own voice before, but apparently we feel the need to out-nut the nut house.
Democrats are flailing because they got their asses kicked hard and still don’t know what the fuck to do about it. So we’re ditching the will of the citizens because we’re going to try to out-nut the nuthouse.
Oh no proposing a referendum that will have to get an electoral majority to be enacted won't anybody think of the will of the citizenry.
I mean, think about that for a second. You want to compete against blood-red, post-2020 Republican Texas?? Where would the line be? Think about where we are right now. And Gavin being a fanboy of Trump architect Steve Bannon is kinda sorta problematic as well.
Your point seems to be that Newsom deserves very little credit for this happening. Abbott’s role in TX was to call a special session and sign the bill, while Newsom has been the motivator for and face of the CA campaign.
Because redistricting is in fact different between Texas and California. And yes, you are correct that Newsom does deserve little credit. Because even if the new act is voted into law, he’s still just a pen for the new congressional map.
The vote in Prop 50 is whether the legislature should be in control of the congressional map. “Abandonment” seems like your characterization of the vote against Prop 50. The Will of the legislature isn’t always the Will of the citizens. And this is just rolling around with pigs anyway
You all are really going to try to take away the will of an independent commission to compete with blood-red post-2020 Republican Texas?? Where would the line be??
We’ve seen just how crazy things are, and the absolute shit that people will put up with just for the image of safety and security. Seems like trying to compete with Texas right now would be a fool’s errand, a never ending slippery slope