I don't understand this because older people will have personally known people affected by WW2 and the spread of fascism, which is what the ECHR was designed to prevent recurring. So you'd think they would value protection of human rights the most
I don't understand this because older people will have personally known people affected by WW2 and the spread of fascism, which is what the ECHR was designed to prevent recurring. So you'd think they would value protection of human rights the most
The generation born immediately post 45 (70-80 years old) had everything given to them in life, free everything, jobs for life and booming house prices making them feel wealthy. They now behave like spoilt children. The previous generation experienced the war and most of them learned its lessons.
broad generalisations but I know what you mean. Still think the over 65s would have a residual memory of the threat of fascism though
I am nearly that age. We were literally spoon fed a diet of anti German propaganda on TV throughout the 60s. They took that message to mean “hate Germans” and other foreigners, not anti fascism. I didn’t realise how much I had been brainwashed until I visited Japan. I had been sold a vision of ..
joyless worker drones who always followed orders. I visited in 2019 and found a country full of wonderful welcoming, smiling people who were so much fun to be with. The propaganda worked, it just sold the wrong message.
Most of the older people you refer to have no memory of WW2, they grew up on the image the UK wanted to portray. Hence so many see Empire as good and refuse to accept it had issues. Now throw in the selfishness that they created via thatcher, and here we are.
They're now groomed to believe that immigration is the cause of all their woes and that the ECHR is to blame. All lessons forgotten.
but the point made was that we (older ppl) don't have 'woes' because student grants, affordable housing, good pensions etc.
What affordable housing ? What good pensions?!?!
post-war generation benefited more from those opportunities than succeeding generations, I'm told
we've 'had it on a plate for 2 decades' apparently. But I have some sympathy for that view because young ppl now face job insecurity, ridiculous housing costs etc.
The student grants stuff is a bit of a red herring from younger people who aren’t aware that the trade off on that was far fewer people going into HE, which I suspect is a trade off they’d not be happy to make! The housing costs is a very real generational difference though
it's not me who was labelling 'boomers'! @gsoh31.bsky.social was suggesting that generation had a different view of human rights than younger ppl and I was wondering why they would. I still don't quite see the connection
The affordability is with respect to modern costs of housing, it undoubtedly now costs people a greater percentage of their incomes to rent privately and house prices are obviously a much greater ratio of incomes than they used to be. It doesn’t mean housing cost nothing back then, just less
there was rent control for a while too
True, housing cost less, if you had access to it. But if you were a single woman it was virtually impossible to take out a tenancy agreement or mortgage. And if you were a single women with a child, god help you!
Oh I don’t doubt there were different difficulties! Also in general it’s understandable how people end up in a detached position of not realising how much it’s changed, classic example is holidays which have massively collapsed in price in your lifetime. Avoiding holidays could get you a deposit
I feel for you mate, having tried to explain this to boomers since, well, forever
80 years on from the war I believe those with genuine recollections are getting rare. So we are talking now about those who grew up on re-runs of all the propaganda films produced during the war, where we had to be constantly on guard against invaders from the continent.
but we have recollections from our parents' generation plus what we learned about Stalin
But a lot of people who lived through the war and fought didn't speak about it to their kids, trauma probably having something to do with that. (My partner's grandad was at Anzio - but never spoke of it). Their kids (our parents generation), learnt about it mostly from war films and Biggles.
Indeed, talk about betraying the sacrifices of ones parents and grandparents! My grandfather was one of the first people into Belsen at liberation Never forget!
Now ask them what the ECHR actually contains. The level of fucking ignorance!!!
Having just seen a video from @politicsjoe.bsky.social interviewing constituents of Clacton. I don't feel giving some people the facts makes much of a difference, I'm afraid. When people are so entrenched in their views, nothing will sway their opinions.
#notallboomers
Those trends roughly follow party loyalties and support for reform / Conservatives. Nothing really remarkeable, but I am a little surprised that support is so low in the young. I would have expected it to be more overwhelming. Influence of populusm?
Depressingly you can almost hear the referendum slogans being written: "The ECHR makes us keep 350 million illegal immigrants each year. Let's give them to France instead."
As a solid gold boomer, gradually getting accustomed to the casual discrimination and forced groupings into false collective identities by the generations that have come after me, I would be voting to keep the ECHR.
btw voted against Brexit, and time has only reinforced my view that was the right thing to do.
It is quite funny that you did the thing you claim others are doing to you in the very sentence you decry them doing it to you.
Evidence of early onset dementia?
As a boomer, I resent this post.
Would be nice to see it cross referenced with questions where they test if they have a clue what the ECHR is.
Exactly my thought. We should be asking which parts of it they disagree with, and why.
Fuck you and your generalising. No-one asked me, or anyone I know who was born late 40s. Some of us were taught what the ECHR stands for, unlike the ill-educated who want anything dismantled that contains the word 'Europe'.
They did ask people tho, it's a poll.
Please don't lump us all together. None of the many 'Boomers' I know think that leaving the ECHR would be in any way a good thing. None of them voted for Brexit.
That can be entirely true whilst it being true that on current polling the only age group still net in favour of Brexit is the over 65s. People you know and people I know are not representative of our wider demographic groups
I agree.
Seconded..
Well said! While recognising the data in the poll, to lump all people together solely on the basis of their date of birth is (“you people”) is ignoring their individuality and the important messages that be be contained within.
What was he info presented to people before they were asked? Because of you don't undo the tabloid view, even asking the Q is biased isn't it?
*the
This will be decided in an election, not a referendum. It won’t even need 50% of the vote for it to happen. And Boomers turn out.
Labour will be backing it by 2029.
Almost every poll in the UK looks like this: Should we give this this cute innocent puppy a treat or throw it into a volcano? 18-49: - Treat 70% - Volcano 30% 50+: - Treat 5% - Volcano 95%
I think boiling it down to just age is disingenuous. Ignorance, selfishness and education are a bigger factor. I’m 57 and understand and appreciate what the ECHR has given us, but there are those that don’t, or don’t want to understand
I am so tired of them.
"Them." I am so tired of this generalisation.
I’m so tired of boomers not understanding cohort effects and having narcissistic little hissy fits.
I mean, the last remaining war babies will be making the 65+ cohort look less ignorant and destructive. 5 years time and the full boomer negative effect will be even more obvious. It’s not about you personally. It’s that about 70% of the people your age are destroying the UK for everyone else.
How offensive. Grow up anonymous person.
The "nOt AlL bOoMeRs!1!" crowd can kindly knock it the hell off. The fact is that the majority of polled individuals over 50 *are* of the mindset, regardless of whether you yourself sit in that age group. Making noise just because you needlessly took it as a personal attack isn't helping anybody.
Thing is, they seem determined that everyone needs to be like them I guess it can't be easy with Death perched on your shoulder but even so
I wonder why the different age splits - 6, 24, 14 and 25+ years. As I fall into the latter it would be interesting to see how an 80+ group differed. That this was the topic this am among friends we considered we had had the best in spite of being war babies.
Please don't put everyone over 65 in the same pot. There are those of us who do think differently and no, we are not all senile
75 yr old agrees with you!
And a 55 year old here
If only the younger population would vote !
I don't understand the 65+, of which I am a member, attitude to this other than their brains are frazzled. It makes mo sense to any normal person to leave the ECHR.
Why on earth are Gen X and Boomers against the ECHR when they've spent all their lives enjoying its benefits?
I think a lot of people have no idea what the ECHR is, but are just radicalised against anything European.
Never a truer word. The least generous generation around.