Oh sure. I guess I was asking about what qualifies as non participation especially in the context of the lines being blurred with participating in it.
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It's a good question. Things are indeed a little blurry. I used to think simply not eating animals was enough, but after further reflection, the animals killed in the harvesting of crops really bothers me. The numbers are quite high.
aug 18, 2025, 5:35 pm • 0 0 • view
I think the most ethical diet probably involves hunting animals for meat, and then also growing one's own fruits and vegetables. But I don't have the stomach to kill an animal, which makes me wonder if my veganism is simply a low tolerance for suffering rather than an ethical framework.
aug 18, 2025, 5:36 pm • 0 0 • view
Oof. There’s a lot here. Good stuff mind you, but a lot. The dilemma of ethics vs tolerance should also probably include practicality and convenience. Also I could see the argument about hunting/planting for food but I wonder if you looked into the sustainability of that for a global population.
aug 18, 2025, 7:49 pm • 0 0 • view
Not taking away from your argument but I have gotten my family to consume less meat and more plants. If I started hunting/planting I would have to hunt/plant not just for myself but for them. I live in the NYC area. Cant grow stuff all year round. Would I have to move?
aug 18, 2025, 7:52 pm • 0 0 • view
I think for me it’s a hybrid of low tolerance mixed with a rationale of logical harm reduction (lantern flys/roaches/even being pro choice as off topic as it may sound-and def not equating them). A goal of mine is to get others to stop consuming animals. Is that even possible with hunting/planting?
aug 18, 2025, 7:57 pm • 0 0 • view
Somehow you gave me even more to chew on. Agreed that hunting/growing is not sustainable for a global population. Nor for urban dwellers (I mean, it's possible, but much harder). We should continue advocating for widespread adoption of PBD as a baseline, while debating tweaks around the margins.
aug 18, 2025, 8:23 pm • 1 0 • view
I think the thing is it isn’t easy no matter what. Life will always cause some death. And honestly you’ve done the hardest thing(recognize a flaw within a belief you have). Many vegans wouldn’t consider killing being possibly more compassionate. This is why lab grown meat to me is the silver bullet
aug 18, 2025, 8:30 pm • 1 0 • view
I actually don't think it is. I have a hard time believing it will ever gain widespread acceptance. It's already caught up in the political culture wars. Still, I hope I'm wrong.
aug 18, 2025, 8:35 pm • 0 0 • view
I just try to do harm reduction the best I can, although we all make trade-offs for convenience. Lately, I've been thinking that eating pasture-raised eggs from regenerative farms might be better than eating a plant-based egg alternative. What do you think of that one?
aug 18, 2025, 8:36 pm • 0 0 • view
This is honestly one of those situations where I just don’t know enough so won’t pretend to have an opinion. I never really ate eggs when I ate animal products so it’s not something I ever looked into. Sorry.
aug 18, 2025, 8:45 pm • 0 0 • view