Vance: "If you go back to World War II, if you go back to World War I, if you go back to every major conflict in human history, they all end with some kind of negotiation." Washington Post, May 8, 1945: "Germany Surrenders Unconditionally."
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Vance: an intellectual vacuum.
aug 25, 2025, 10:03 am • 0 0 • view
Imagine having president who’d actually taken a history class.
aug 25, 2025, 2:28 am • 0 0 • view
Note, Hitler’s Luger got the best of that negotiation when his head blew apart. Also, Hiroshima and Nagasaki opted out of negotiations in the Pacific Theater and well, we all know how that ended.
aug 25, 2025, 6:30 am • 3 0 • view
Peter, is the VP simply unenlightened? Or is he deliberately LYING to us? If he doesn't know better, should that concern us that our elected reps aren't very bright? If he's LYING, don't you think that's something we should also be concerned about? No lack of material to write about, eh, Peter?
aug 25, 2025, 1:37 pm • 1 0 • view
lying. he is also a pootin puppet and a tool
aug 25, 2025, 1:42 pm • 1 0 • view
Pre-election, Vance admitted that he makes things up to prove a point. If he could get the base to believe that immigrants are eating cats and dogs, what is a little thing like historical facts?
aug 25, 2025, 8:08 am • 10 3 • view
So get negotiating w the regime to gtfo YOU promoted them insufferable all the time, you snake. Fix what you helped sow traitor.
aug 25, 2025, 12:31 pm • 0 0 • view
Wasn't Japan the same?
aug 25, 2025, 2:17 am • 0 0 • view
Same as when he said the Haitians we eating cats and dogs. To get the media to fall in line and make people remember he's still around. He's feeling as irrelevant as he is.
aug 25, 2025, 8:30 am • 6 0 • view
JD Klance is more of a fiction writer.
aug 25, 2025, 1:44 pm • 0 0 • view
Neither Trump nor Vance demanded that Russia return the 20,000 Ukrainian children that Russian troops abducted during their invasion of Ukraine!
aug 25, 2025, 3:34 am • 0 0 • view
Apparently neither Trump nor Vance learned anything from Reagan! "Peace thru Strength" does not mean embarassing or "dressing down" our ally against a Russian aggressor who "destroys his own Russian critics" in order to guarantee that he remains in power!!
aug 25, 2025, 3:31 am • 0 0 • view
Vance said that "diplomacy" would be used to end Russian invasion of Ukraine, BUT he certainly made great diplomatic blunder when Vance "attacked Zelenskyy for no apparent reason"! DIPLOMACY WAS NEVER TRUMP OR VANCE'S STRENGTH!! VERY WEAK AND UNDIPLOMATIC!
aug 25, 2025, 3:25 am • 0 0 • view
How is it possible to graduate from an Ivy League university and not know the basics of modern history?
aug 25, 2025, 5:50 pm • 1 0 • view
What an utter idiot he is
aug 25, 2025, 1:53 pm • 0 0 • view
Snow we know trump picked stupid that o one would want to replace him
aug 25, 2025, 6:18 am • 0 0 • view
Donnie always surrenders unconditionally. Sometimes gives up things that weren't even requested.
aug 25, 2025, 2:32 am • 0 0 • view
Also, because “human history” ends at 1900?
aug 25, 2025, 10:48 am • 2 0 • view
1300–bc
aug 25, 2025, 2:08 pm • 0 0 • view
So he got into Yale because????
aug 25, 2025, 2:22 am • 4 0 • view
slate.com/human-intere... The British Surrender to George Washington
aug 25, 2025, 11:10 am • 4 0 • view
Then I want to see our president stand firm in exactly the same way as Der Fúhrer.
aug 25, 2025, 6:17 am • 0 0 • view
Hillbilly JV doesn’t know history. He’s 100% wrong here.
aug 25, 2025, 2:00 am • 25 1 • view
Vance makes shit up but he's very articulate and confident-sounding. That has been his m.o. since he suckered the media into treating his memoir as a work of significance.
aug 25, 2025, 6:21 am • 0 0 • view
WWII ended with the nuclear devestation of two major cities- maybe he classes that as hardball negotiating?
aug 25, 2025, 6:26 am • 0 0 • view
The NY Times are on the equivalent of the German Nazi propaganda machine but in America under trump!!!!
aug 25, 2025, 6:22 am • 1 1 • view
And Just Like That… We are fascists
aug 25, 2025, 2:08 am • 0 0 • view
Vance believes that he can get away with ANY lie as long as his delivery sounds sincere and knowledgeable - even though he’s the least sincere and knowledgeable person in government.
aug 25, 2025, 2:48 am • 9 1 • view
His delivery always sounds rehearsed, petulant, and whiny.
aug 25, 2025, 6:56 am • 7 0 • view
Maybe he should be watching the YouTube videos my husband had been watching these past several weeks. He might learn something.
aug 25, 2025, 2:24 am • 1 0 • view
How is it possible that the two dummest idiots occupy the two highest offices in America? Trump with his constant, “I don’t know” to everything he should know about and Vance with his “negotiation” smooth talk that shows he knows nothing about world history. Vance should go to school with his kids.
aug 25, 2025, 2:21 am • 10 3 • view
Yeah, it's entirely the opposite. The scary part isn't that he's stupid (he probably isn't), it's that he's so willing to spout stuff that he knows is stupid stupid so brazenly...and that so much of the US population would believe him.
aug 25, 2025, 11:30 am • 0 0 • view
Thank you for posting, Peter. Sofa boy is such a dope.
aug 25, 2025, 2:01 am • 3 0 • view
Bone spurs President and his couch f*cker VP are looking to make surrender acceptable!
aug 25, 2025, 6:16 am • 0 0 • view
WaPo? The failing WaPo? Fake news, even back in 1945. Everyone knows that Trump negotiated an end to WW2.
aug 25, 2025, 8:51 am • 2 0 • view
😹
aug 25, 2025, 1:20 pm • 1 0 • view
Fortunately, no one had to negotiate with Hitler in the end.
aug 25, 2025, 11:15 am • 1 0 • view
Japan, WWII, Unconditional Surrender. USS Missouri, Tokyo Bay, September 2, 1945
aug 25, 2025, 2:33 am • 23 3 • view
Really? Fascistic, authoritarian, and oppressive regimes have fallen without negotiations because they have been defeted. JD needs to study history. After all (and unfortunately), he is the VP. JD is a disgrace and an embarrassment for the US.
aug 25, 2025, 5:40 am • 0 0 • view
Its okay. If it comes from this administration, its fact. That's what happens with a cult.
aug 25, 2025, 10:45 am • 0 0 • view
aug 25, 2025, 5:18 pm • 1 0 • view
The couch fucker is dumber than the orange pedophile. These are the people in charge of the United States of America Government. You lot are fucked...
aug 25, 2025, 9:31 am • 0 0 • view
Vance lies Vance lies to the people & smiles while he lies Vance, in the past, compared tRump to Hitler Vance now works & lies for the guy he compared to Hitler Vance has been on more than 7 lavish vacations in 7 months Vance has changed his name 2x Vance only cares for himself,💰& power
aug 25, 2025, 12:58 pm • 2 0 • view
& of course japan negotiated a separate peace. someone give shady dance a history lesson on the bomb.
aug 25, 2025, 6:12 am • 0 0 • view
You'd think a vice president Yale grad would know this significant fact about quashing fascism.
aug 25, 2025, 6:14 am • 2 0 • view
Unless his bio is not real.
aug 25, 2025, 1:06 pm • 2 0 • view
Japan surrendered.
aug 25, 2025, 4:22 am • 0 0 • view
Vance probably didn't there was a world outside of America until he holidayed in the UK 😂😂😂🤡
aug 25, 2025, 6:20 am • 0 0 • view
I think he meant the giving chunks of Europe to the Soviet Union (Russia) part.
aug 25, 2025, 2:09 am • 0 0 • view
Of course they negotiated. It was right after they unconditionally surrendered because we beat them into submission.
aug 26, 2025, 1:26 am • 0 0 • view
German here. Nope, we surrender. We gave up. Both times. And on the second time the highest figures took the easy way out to not be hold accountable.
aug 25, 2025, 8:49 pm • 1 0 • view
JD should get a refund from Yale and OSU.
aug 25, 2025, 6:35 am • 0 0 • view
No....... If I remember my movies correctly ...I am pretty sure the DEAL was for Hans Landa to give up Hitler, Goering, Bormann, & Goebbles at the Theater ... we needed to kill all 4 to win the war
aug 25, 2025, 3:46 am • 3 0 • view
Russia needs to be DEFEATED and DEMILITARISED ASAP. Putin needs to go home And then to The Hague. War-criminal. Mass-murderer. He fears not nato but democracy. His prisoned-people might want it. O and RELEASE THE EPSTEIN FILES !
aug 25, 2025, 10:24 am • 1 0 • view
However, the rubes will believe Vance.
aug 25, 2025, 11:09 am • 4 0 • view
#Yale students ought to pay better attention in history class, obviously. On the other hand, Neo Nazis and election deniers like #Vance probably doesn’t admit Hitler’s defeat 🙋♂️
aug 25, 2025, 10:46 pm • 1 0 • view
The problem here is that THEY DON’T CARE IN THE SLIGHTEST if they are historically correct or not. If it not suits them, it’s not the history they’re going to reference. They’ll just going to say whatever fits their bill and claim that as a historical fact.
aug 25, 2025, 6:59 am • 0 0 • view
Our strength only works if we all actually band together. Otherwise we will continue to deal with this and it will only get worse. Ffs how many more places need occupied by shitlers gestapo and “national guard”. Our indolence will be what truly ends us
aug 25, 2025, 3:41 am • 0 0 • view
Or hanged by piano wire or ingestion of cyanide
aug 25, 2025, 7:56 am • 0 0 • view
Russia needn't even give up control of its OWN land, as Germany did. Just get the F off of another country's land, and release all the stolen Ukrainian children.
aug 25, 2025, 6:54 am • 1 0 • view
Nobody expects him to have any kind of education, do we? He knows how to use eyeliner.. so what???
aug 25, 2025, 6:25 am • 0 0 • view
Pertinent, powerful tune: open.substack.com/pub/ohhistev...
aug 25, 2025, 9:57 am • 0 0 • view
Maybe Vance can persuade Putin to shoot himself.
aug 25, 2025, 2:54 am • 0 1 • view
At least our Nazis are stupid fools.
aug 25, 2025, 6:24 am • 0 0 • view
JD knows history. Don't be fooled. He spews lies, propaganda, twisting reality & history to advance his ThielBro technocracy agenda. Remember "They're eating cats & dogs?" He knows the truth, but he's foxnewsing *all the time*. If he wasn't despicable (& effective!), it'd be fascinating to watch.
aug 25, 2025, 2:48 pm • 0 0 • view
JD should also answer why it would even enter his head that it could ever be acceptable for the U.S. to negotiate over terms with the fascist powers who killed hundreds of thousands of Americans & million of others?
aug 25, 2025, 7:26 am • 4 0 • view
Vance: "they negotiated to surrender unconditionally."
aug 25, 2025, 5:44 pm • 0 0 • view
Are you trying to say that he's a lying sac of sh.t?
aug 25, 2025, 10:34 am • 2 0 • view
The truth isn’t really a thing for them. Their cult just wants stories.
aug 25, 2025, 6:14 am • 0 0 • view
Media needs to squelch their false reinterpretations of history in real time. Not a second should lapse between incorrect/lying statements and reality. Ever. Do. Your. Job. Media. (Otherwise what's your point in a free democracy?!)
aug 25, 2025, 2:20 am • 2 1 • view
America and its allies sent 160,000 negotiators to Normandy. The negotiations end with Hitler shooting himself in a bunker.
aug 25, 2025, 7:40 am • 4 1 • view
The Mongols only negotiated to avert a war. After that there was no negotiation.
aug 25, 2025, 10:47 am • 0 0 • view
Hirohito weeps.
aug 25, 2025, 2:50 am • 2 0 • view
Germany surrendered and Japan was bombed - that what I learned in my history classes.
aug 25, 2025, 11:12 am • 1 0 • view
www.history.com/this-day-in-...
aug 25, 2025, 2:05 am • 0 0 • view
Dude is confusing post war agreements with how the wars fucking ended.
aug 25, 2025, 6:15 am • 0 0 • view
He’s not confused, he’s a gaslighting liar to their base. They count in ignorance.
aug 25, 2025, 6:16 am • 4 1 • view
Very true. He just says what he wants or is told to say. It's all just one big money game.
aug 25, 2025, 6:26 am • 1 1 • view
Don’t think Japan had much negotiating power either.
aug 25, 2025, 1:59 am • 4 0 • view
Why does Vance even open his mouth .Everytime he does he puts his foot in it with his ignorance.
aug 25, 2025, 12:07 pm • 1 0 • view
So did Japan and Italy
aug 25, 2025, 7:09 am • 0 0 • view
He's verbally burying and rewriting OUR TRUE History. What will the next 400 years look like? Just ⚖️ askin' 👈🏼
aug 25, 2025, 8:06 am • 0 1 • view
JD was busy "couch surfing" while in school. Must be embarrassing for OSU and Yale that he doesn't know history.
aug 25, 2025, 2:33 pm • 0 0 • view
Vance is a mouth piece, nothing else. A mental midget.
aug 25, 2025, 1:53 pm • 0 0 • view
JDV - "I was right, N*zi Germany negotiated their way to a surrender..." Yeah, sarcasm emoji... the regime has no shortage of idiots...
aug 25, 2025, 2:04 am • 0 0 • view
Both Hitler and Mussolini negotiated with a gun, both lost!
aug 25, 2025, 5:28 pm • 1 0 • view
As an aside, I’m amazed at the number of articles on the front page. Only a tiny photo and the rest: substance. No wonder newspapers are dying.
aug 25, 2025, 9:14 am • 1 0 • view
aug 25, 2025, 12:57 pm • 1 0 • view
Vance has learned the lesson well that the GOP base opens up and says AHHH especially about historical revisionism. World War II ended in negotiation my eye. We beat the Nazis, period.
aug 25, 2025, 1:14 pm • 1 0 • view
This is why history is so important. If you know, they can’t change it.
aug 25, 2025, 2:36 am • 0 0 • view
Sure JD, Adolf Hitler negotiated a bullet in his head.
aug 25, 2025, 10:36 am • 2 0 • view
Wow, how utterly wrong. #Germany and Japan were defeated first. #Germany twice in WW1 & 2
aug 26, 2025, 5:57 am • 0 0 • view
To be fair JD is kinda Stupid
aug 25, 2025, 6:47 am • 1 0 • view
Do your research, lightweight WWII ended with both military victories AND diplomatic negotiations. You just can't stand the Trump administration so you'd prostitute yourself in the process rather than concede the point. FFS
aug 25, 2025, 2:27 am • 0 0 • view
He knows enough about history as trump, zero!
aug 25, 2025, 2:44 am • 0 0 • view
I remember when misspelling potato was career damaging scandal for a vice president.
aug 25, 2025, 9:33 am • 4 0 • view
aug 25, 2025, 6:21 am • 0 0 • view
@meetthepress.com did you call Vance on his BS? No'p. American journalism has failed America.
aug 25, 2025, 3:03 am • 20 4 • view
Vance thinks he is so smart that he does not need to learn history.
aug 25, 2025, 4:20 am • 0 0 • view
I don't think anyone's ever said Vance is smart. Or knowledgeable. Or truthful.
aug 25, 2025, 2:04 am • 3 0 • view
Definitely not truthful. He proves it everyday.
aug 25, 2025, 1:03 pm • 0 0 • view
Vance is again proving that someone like him can go to prestigious schools and graduate without learning a solitary thing. The man is stupid.
aug 25, 2025, 11:57 am • 3 0 • view
And write a book and have a movie about it.
aug 25, 2025, 2:07 pm • 0 0 • view
The old Washington Post would have made note of Vance’s error. Not Bezo’s WP. But maybe they can cover again, Biden being old.
aug 25, 2025, 2:39 am • 2 0 • view
Part of the ongoing history rewrite and whitewash
aug 25, 2025, 1:01 pm • 0 0 • view
Any negotiations were among the Allies, numbnuts.
aug 25, 2025, 3:04 am • 0 0 • view
More of this.
aug 25, 2025, 7:53 am • 1 0 • view
Wonder if you’re rethinking all those shitty columns you wrote trashing Kamala
aug 25, 2025, 2:06 am • 2 0 • view
💯 Exactly this 🤬
aug 26, 2025, 5:29 pm • 0 0 • view
Wars end when somebody wins.
aug 26, 2025, 1:16 am • 0 0 • view
Has he no shame?
aug 25, 2025, 2:19 am • 0 0 • view
We are educated, nevertheless thank you.
aug 25, 2025, 2:03 am • 5 0 • view
Vance is not from or about this universe. He has only his concept of history. He is an admitted liar and is a waffle.
aug 25, 2025, 11:03 am • 2 0 • view
Third Punic War (149–146 BCE) Rome razes Carthage; polity erased.
aug 25, 2025, 7:22 am • 1 0 • view
Afghanistan (2021 change of regime) Islamic Republic collapses; no Kabul–Taliban peace deal at the end state.
aug 25, 2025, 7:31 am • 2 1 • view
How did JD miss that one.
aug 25, 2025, 1:18 pm • 0 0 • view
Iraq War—initial invasion phase (2003) Ba’ath regime collapses; no armistice with coalition (insurgency follows).
aug 25, 2025, 7:31 am • 1 0 • view
Sri Lankan Civil War (1983–2009) LTTE militarily destroyed; no final negotiated settlement.
aug 25, 2025, 7:30 am • 1 0 • view
Rwandan Civil War & end of the 1994 genocide RPF takes Kigali; genocidal regime flees; no accord with génocidaires.
aug 25, 2025, 7:30 am • 1 0 • view
First Congo War (1996–1997) Mobutu regime collapses; no settlement with AFDL victors.
aug 25, 2025, 7:30 am • 1 0 • view
Fall of South Vietnam (1975) Saigon captured; unconditional capitulation as Paris Accords had collapsed.
aug 25, 2025, 7:29 am • 1 0 • view
Bangladesh Liberation War (1971) Pakistan’s Eastern Command capitulates; no political deal with the new Bangladeshi state beforehand.
aug 25, 2025, 7:29 am • 1 0 • view
Malayan Emergency (1948–1960) Insurgency militarily defeated/withers; no end-war pact.
aug 25, 2025, 7:29 am • 1 0 • view
Chinese Civil War (1945–1949) PRC wins; ROC retreats to Taiwan; no end-of-war treaty.
aug 25, 2025, 7:28 am • 1 0 • view
Spanish Civil War (1936–1939) Republican state collapses; Francoist victory without agreement.
aug 25, 2025, 7:28 am • 1 0 • view
Finnish Civil War (1918) Reds collapse and surrender; no political settlement.
aug 25, 2025, 7:28 am • 1 0 • view
Russian Civil War (1917–1922) White forces defeated/evacuate; no general peace accord.
aug 25, 2025, 7:27 am • 1 0 • view
Paraguayan War / War of the Triple Alliance (1864–1870) López killed; Paraguay occupied; no peace with his government.
aug 25, 2025, 7:27 am • 1 0 • view
Taiping Rebellion (1850–1864) Nanjing stormed; leadership killed; movement eradicated.
aug 25, 2025, 7:27 am • 1 0 • view
Indian Rebellion of 1857–58 Revolt suppressed; Mughal dynasty abolished.
aug 25, 2025, 7:26 am • 1 0 • view
Shimabara Rebellion (1637–1638) Uprising crushed; mass killings; no talks.
aug 25, 2025, 7:26 am • 1 0 • view
Spanish–Inca War (1532–1572) Last Inca ruler executed; resistance destroyed.
aug 25, 2025, 7:25 am • 1 0 • view
Spanish–Aztec War (1519–1521) Tenochtitlan taken; empire dismantled, no treaty between equals.
aug 25, 2025, 7:25 am • 1 0 • view
Fall of Constantinople (1453) Byzantine Empire extinguished by Ottoman capture.
aug 25, 2025, 7:24 am • 1 0 • view
Sack of Baghdad (1258) Abbasid Caliphate effectively ends after conquest.
aug 25, 2025, 7:24 am • 1 0 • view
Mongol conquest of Khwarazm (1219–1221) State collapses under invasion; no settlement.
aug 25, 2025, 7:24 am • 1 0 • view
Bar Kokhba Revolt (132–136 CE) Revolt annihilated; Judea devastated.
aug 25, 2025, 7:23 am • 1 0 • view
First Jewish–Roman War (66–73 CE) Jerusalem destroyed; Masada falls; rebels crushed.
aug 25, 2025, 7:23 am • 1 0 • view
Universities need to start withdrawing the degrees they awarded these people.
aug 25, 2025, 2:49 am • 53 0 • view
Dersh first.
aug 25, 2025, 9:20 am • 6 0 • view
Too bad the journalist interviewing him wasn’t aware.
aug 25, 2025, 7:24 am • 0 0 • view
Obviously not a student of history
aug 25, 2025, 1:59 am • 6 0 • view
Time conflict in college with upholstery 101.
aug 25, 2025, 2:06 am • 5 0 • view
Vance is not even close to being the sharpest tack in the sofa.
aug 25, 2025, 2:15 am • 11 0 • view
It came to be said that “US“ Grant stood for unconditional surrender. But I guess you’d have to to be on the Union side to understand.
aug 25, 2025, 2:27 am • 0 0 • view
"We hereby proclaim the unconditional surrender to the Allied Powers of the Japanese Imperial General Headquarters and of all Japanese armed forces and all armed forces under Japanese control wherever situated." www.archives.gov/milestone-do...
aug 25, 2025, 2:30 am • 4 2 • view
Or on the other side of the globe, maybe this sped the "negotiations" along?
aug 25, 2025, 3:49 pm • 0 0 • view
The current corrupt administration firmly believes we are all completely stupid.
aug 25, 2025, 1:30 pm • 0 0 • view
I'm sure Don Corleone was negotiating when he made an offer that couldn't be refused.
aug 25, 2025, 6:44 am • 0 0 • view
just like all those MMA fights end in negotiations just like all those PGA events end in negotiations just like all those NFL games end in negotiations I think I've made my point, he's a well educated fooking moron
aug 25, 2025, 6:39 am • 0 0 • view
Apparently Vance went to some really crappy schools.
aug 25, 2025, 1:59 am • 20 0 • view
Don’t assume Vance is dumb. He knows exactly what he’s doing. Which makes it way worse than if he was just stupid. The dumb ones are the people who support Trump, Vance and the rest of the Trump crime family. They refuse to admit that what they’re seeing is actually true.
aug 25, 2025, 3:53 am • 30 1 • view
Exactly. Pretty sure he's quite familiar with Goebbel's propaganda tactic that a big lie repeated often enough will eventually mislead people into believing it's true. Vance isn't stupid, he amoral to the point of evil.
aug 25, 2025, 8:19 am • 20 2 • view
The “Goebbel Tactic” you describe is Trump’s playbook exactly. It was given to him by his old lawyer Roy Cohn and was refined over decades of use on a passive New York media more interested in juicy headlines than factual accuracy. It works. The antidote is a smarter electorate. Uh oh….
aug 25, 2025, 10:11 am • 6 0 • view
What would Vance know?
aug 25, 2025, 8:54 am • 0 0 • view
Nothing. Clearly.
aug 25, 2025, 1:19 pm • 0 0 • view
As did Japan
aug 25, 2025, 6:13 am • 0 0 • view
Here’s a picture of a T34 negotiating its way into Berlin in 1945
aug 25, 2025, 7:19 am • 8 1 • view
Did he go to school? Geez!
aug 25, 2025, 2:12 am • 0 0 • view
The vice president of the USA might be even dumber than rapist Krasnov.
aug 25, 2025, 6:05 pm • 1 0 • view
When the facts and history don’t support a particular republi-con narrative, the GOP changes the facts and rewrites the history.
aug 25, 2025, 3:08 am • 5 0 • view
Even though it was printed by corporate media, it was still true in this case
aug 25, 2025, 9:59 am • 0 0 • view
Ahhhhh nope!
aug 25, 2025, 2:56 am • 0 0 • view
Another Trumphumper proving that you don’t have to be smart to go to Yale.
aug 25, 2025, 7:43 am • 0 0 • view
In the post-truth era all of history has been rewritten. Did you know that the oval orifice negotiations ended the one hundred years war, the Spanish Inquisition and has brought peace and harmony to the Middle East?
aug 25, 2025, 6:31 am • 0 0 • view