sadly peoples lack of understanding about socialism made this surprising to people. There are two kinds of parties - reformists (greens, ALP, Liberal) who think they can create change when capitalists hold all real power (see K Rudd), and revolutionaries who can help working class.
Look at Venezuela - a complete basket case under the "revolutionary" Maduro
It's OK that you weren't aware of this - our genocidal capitalistic education system doesn't want people to be aware of this so no shame on your part :)
So why don't you move to a country the best aligns w/ your values for 2-3 years. Write back on a monthly basis, specifically comparing the freedom and privilege you take for granted here v there?
Following up again - can you please confirm with me which countries have working class in control of the means of production, which would align with my values. I do not adhere to genocidal capitalists controlling countries politics like Australia (see Gina and Clive replacing Rudd with Gillard).
There are none, may have been some historically, however, obviously the model never worked, could not scale and was inefficient
ah OK got ya. So we both agree capitalism is terrible :) What are we even arguing about then!!!
Sorry to bother you but can you please provide a list of the countries in the world where workers control means of production? The ones that align with my values. Thx xoxo
I think your issue is that you are mistaking bureaucratic capitalism (Mao, Stalin, Madura) with socialism. but they are completely different! If workers fought for their rights under Mao Stalin Maduro they would be executed. Not socialism at all, sadly. Once again - socialism = workers control MoP
I'm sorry I'm confused - I wasn't aware there were countries where the working class controlled means of production??? Perhaps I am mistaken thought! Can you please provide me a list of the countries where workers control means of production, so I can consider your offer? Thx xoxo
Before you criticise a country for being socialist, ask yourself, do the working class control the means of production? if the answer is no, like Venezuela, that means it is not a socialist country.If it is not socialist, that means it is capitalist. I do agree with you though that capitalism is bad
This is a common misconception-socialism is about working class controlling means of production.Maduro's Venezuela is bureaucratic dictatorial capitalism. that is where a dictator and their bureaucracy controls means of production. this is similar to Cuba, USSR, Mao China, which were also capitalist