I mean I'm a hardened atheist who at this point believes like 80% unironically that Trump is the/an antichrist, so...
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I relate to this
jun 28, 2025, 12:58 pm • 2 0 • view
Interesting fact! The Bible uses the term in the plural.
jun 28, 2025, 4:13 am • 2 0 • view
Yes, so I have been informed
jun 28, 2025, 4:20 am • 3 0 • view
Revelation 13:3 One of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed, and the whole earth marveled as they followed the beast.
jun 28, 2025, 3:19 am • 25 0 • view
😳
jun 28, 2025, 11:17 am • 4 0 • view
jun 28, 2025, 12:22 pm • 0 0 • view
Definitely sign of beast on their foreheads with the maga caps.
jun 28, 2025, 11:26 am • 6 0 • view
I agree, in the sense that they made up a terrible version of their god and accurately predicted that it would be really appealing to a massive number of Christians.
jun 28, 2025, 7:16 pm • 1 0 • view
If there is such a thing as the antichrist, it’s 100% Donald Trump.
jun 28, 2025, 12:53 pm • 2 0 • view
he's really enthusiastically following the literature if not
jun 28, 2025, 2:40 am • 187 0 • view
No but it's genuinely uncanny
jun 28, 2025, 2:41 am • 137 0 • view
really feels like confirmation that revelation was written about nero
jun 28, 2025, 3:18 am • 19 0 • view
I mean there was a point last week where I wondered if he was just gonna invite the Iranian army to walk to Megiddo for “A Big Beautiful Brawl”
jun 28, 2025, 3:21 am • 19 1 • view
I have the same reaction. I suppose that a key factor of Antichrist is that people don’t recognize him for what he is, but jeez.
jun 28, 2025, 10:54 am • 3 0 • view
Yup. The Jesus of the Bible would just be absolutely aghast at all these people claiming to follow his teachings by accumulating money or other nonsense.
jun 28, 2025, 2:45 am • 100 1 • view
The prosperity gospel is one of the wildest things this country has invented.
jun 28, 2025, 2:50 am • 155 1 • view
I think the same textual mechanics that made prosperity gospel possible are identical for originalism.
jun 28, 2025, 3:54 am • 91 2 • view
It's extremely similar, yes
jun 28, 2025, 3:58 am • 27 0 • view
Also it's literally the same people and the same movement.
jun 28, 2025, 5:14 am • 0 0 • view
One is a bit more Catholic than the other, I think.
jun 28, 2025, 5:15 am • 1 0 • view
When I say the same people I mean the same individuals working in concert.
jun 28, 2025, 5:16 am • 0 0 • view
I’m going to be thinking about this for a while.
jun 28, 2025, 4:00 am • 3 0 • view
I keep going back and forth if it’s him or Musk
jun 28, 2025, 5:50 am • 2 0 • view
Is the antichrist like the Highlander? There can be only one?
jun 28, 2025, 6:22 am • 1 0 • view
No, there are multiple
jun 28, 2025, 11:33 am • 1 0 • view
To be fair, it is kinda baked-in with the “I am the way” stuff
jun 28, 2025, 4:30 am • 0 0 • view
You mean a Galilean peasant who preached about how hard it is for rich people to get to heaven might not have liked the prosperity gospel? /s
jun 28, 2025, 3:19 am • 29 1 • view
He was immensely clear on this very specific point! Over and over and over again!
jun 28, 2025, 3:20 am • 29 0 • view
"There is one thing that Christ and all the Christian saints have said with a sort of savage monotony. They have said simply that to be rich is to be in peculiar danger of moral wreck." —G.K. Chesterton, ORTHODOXY
jun 29, 2025, 5:47 am • 19 5 • view
The next few sentences hit even harder, especially right now: "It is not demonstrably un-Christian to kill the rich as violators of definable justice. It is not demonstrably un-Christian to crown the rich as convenient rulers of society. It is not certainly un-Christian to rebel against the rich...
jun 29, 2025, 6:20 am • 3 0 • view
... or to submit to the rich. But it is quite certainly un-Christian to trust the rich, to regard the rich as more morally safe than the poor." Boom.
jun 29, 2025, 6:20 am • 6 0 • view
His message was overwhelmingly for the poor and outcasts of a conquered land, and he was murdered by Rome for his anti-elite message, yet too many evangelicals today would rather ally themselves with Empire than with the victims of Empire.
jun 28, 2025, 3:27 am • 21 0 • view
I always walk away from these evangelicals thinking that I n their minds somehow White Jesus got his documents in order with the Romans first and was pitching God’s get rich scheme to his followers before the crafty Jewish rabble killed him.
jun 28, 2025, 9:18 am • 12 1 • view
Truly. Just the devils work. I mean that as only a semi joke, cause I don’t think the devil could have spun that tale better.
jun 28, 2025, 6:07 am • 0 0 • view
It's as close to a perfect match for real world, non-ironic Satanism that is possible
jun 28, 2025, 11:16 am • 1 0 • view
I’m not even sure I can make an argument with that at this point but I am resisting side eyeing the Mormons really hard.
jun 28, 2025, 9:13 am • 1 0 • view
There is no literature. There is no antichrist. That isn't a thing in the bible
jun 28, 2025, 11:48 am • 0 0 • view
I don't think the odds of me becoming Christian again are very high but the last six months have made them very noticeably not zero!
jun 28, 2025, 8:31 am • 9 0 • view
Me, 30 year lapsed Catholic: “Look I’m never gonna believe your man gooned death but he had some solid ideas. If this here institution is actually gonna do some material plane theological liberation I’m back in with the genuflecting & the holy water. Get me a saint & point me in a direction, padre.”
jun 28, 2025, 9:10 am • 12 0 • view
They're still anti-choice, anti-gay, and anti-trans, tho, and don't allow women in leadership roles. I'll absolutely take the advocacy for immigrants, but the Catholic Church is still not Good even if you ignore the supernatural nonsense. They're just doing the stopped clock thing again.
jun 28, 2025, 11:17 am • 2 0 • view
the current pope is the priest who forcibly installed women in the curia a two thousand year tradition doesn’t turn on a dime but it can be made to turn
jun 28, 2025, 12:48 pm • 5 0 • view
You go to the holy war with the army you have, perfect being the enemy of the good, etc etc… The only thing that would bring me back around to Catholicism as praxis would be Liberation Theology and we now have Pope 2 related to that tradition all the other baggage aside…
jun 28, 2025, 12:52 pm • 3 0 • view
A stopped clock can still be a useful projectile. I'm happy to throw them at my enemies but that doesn't make them my friends. 🤷
jun 28, 2025, 1:46 pm • 1 0 • view
it does not and i won’t ask you to pretend otherwise
jun 28, 2025, 1:47 pm • 1 0 • view
To unpack that metaphor a bit... Their methods for determining truth and morality are fundamentally bankrupt and give wrong answers the vast majority of the time. They're useful on one particular issue right now, but that does not make them trustworthy allies overall. See, for example:
jun 28, 2025, 1:52 pm • 0 0 • view
leo needs to tear out the usccb root and branch if the church is going to have any future here and i am currently optimistic that he knows it
jun 28, 2025, 1:55 pm • 1 0 • view
I would like to believe that you are right and that such efforts will succeed in the long run. But the RCC will likely still stay hateful far longer than any of us will stay alive. Improving it is better than leaving it as is, but since it's based on nonsense anyway, I'd rather just let it die.
jun 28, 2025, 2:02 pm • 1 0 • view
Same. The only thing that has shaken my strongly held belief that there is no God is that American Christians were given a choice between Donald Trump and devout Catholic Joe Biden. Could not be a more perfect test of faith.
jun 28, 2025, 1:46 pm • 6 0 • view
Religion has always been explicitly left wing economically. The wealthy will never enter heaven according to Christ, a ban on taking interest for loans and mandatory charity in Islam, langar in Sikhism. Plus the rules about not cutting hair in many religions including Islam and Sikhism.
jun 28, 2025, 4:54 pm • 0 0 • view
Thats why we always had a welfare state - religion. They were supposed to be the ones to help the poor and the needy. Thats why going against their teachings was so frowned upon. They were the support system for the poor. Also why women used to be consistently more religious than men.
jun 28, 2025, 4:56 pm • 0 0 • view
That only changed with the arrival of the welfare state model where the state gives welfare directly. This led to the weakening of religious institutions in public life and a shift of women against religion. It was the inventions and developments in logistics that helped the state accomplish it.
jun 28, 2025, 4:59 pm • 0 0 • view
Same. I'm feeling like I need to bust out my old Seventh-Day Adventist books
jun 28, 2025, 3:04 am • 2 0 • view
the 7DAs might fear God but not enough to stop them diddling kids.
jun 28, 2025, 3:15 am • 1 0 • view
* waves to fellow ex-SDA *
jun 28, 2025, 1:44 pm • 1 0 • view
Same for me. I grew up hearing that prophecy in the church, and Trump fits the Antichrist perfectly. Which would make Elon Musk (with his plans to make X an “everything platform” including banking) The Beast and his mark.
jun 28, 2025, 7:26 pm • 2 0 • view
Given that much of the antichrist stuff is probably about Emperor Nero, he's certainly singing from the correct hymnal on that front. [I'd also fully expect a Trump Redivivus QAnon thing after Champagne Day.]
jun 28, 2025, 2:46 am • 52 1 • view
Twelver Islam occultation doctrine but for Trump
jun 28, 2025, 4:33 am • 5 0 • view
Oh, absolutely, he'll be winning Republican primaries long after he's dead
jun 28, 2025, 2:53 am • 39 0 • view
it's going to be rnc: the apprentice using a hologram of him
jun 28, 2025, 2:54 am • 24 0 • view
and qanon and evangelicalism and some secret third or more thing that'll be cooked up before he dies is going to fully merge over the next two decades i think
jun 28, 2025, 2:55 am • 19 0 • view
I joked somewhere about people setting up LLM bots to mimic Trump after his death, but apparently this is already a thing with other celebrities so...
jun 28, 2025, 1:32 pm • 5 0 • view
I legit would not be surprised if they simply change the name of their whole party in his honor.
jun 28, 2025, 3:19 am • 31 0 • view
Have any of the places that renamed Lincoln Day Reagan Day changed it again to Trump Day yet?
jun 28, 2025, 11:57 am • 3 0 • view
Works for me lol
jun 28, 2025, 3:20 am • 17 0 • view
Literally where im at too
jun 28, 2025, 1:58 pm • 2 0 • view
I’m an ex Christian atheist and still, what they are doing with that faith brings up a profound rage and grief in me. Routinely I’m mumbling to myself “heretics! Blaspheeeemers! Defilers of Christ’s message!” Vance in particular twists Catholic writings so far outside any scholarly or traditional
jun 28, 2025, 6:04 am • 113 3 • view
I'm an atheist Jew lol, and, same!
jun 28, 2025, 6:08 am • 4 0 • view
It was a Jewish religious scholar that introduced me to the term “post theist”! Dr. Justin Sledge. It was a conversation that he was having with another religious studies person and it just resonated so much.
jun 28, 2025, 6:18 am • 1 0 • view
Yikes, sorry, I was talking about the term “post theist” in another comment and lost track. Sorry. I say atheist. Post theist is probably more accurate for myself, but no one really uses the term.
jun 28, 2025, 6:21 am • 1 0 • view
interpretation that I’m surprised he hasn’t burst into flames. I wish religious studies were taught in school. So much of the US is profoundly religiously illiterate. Happy to see people reclaiming faiths whenever they are being abused.
jun 28, 2025, 6:04 am • 51 0 • view
Comparative religion could be very useful. Unfortunately, they're putting in Christian Nationalist BS instead. This ex-Catholic current Presbyterian (Trump supposedly being one makes me GAG) spends a lot of time teeth grinding.
jun 28, 2025, 2:00 pm • 6 0 • view
That’s how you know that there’s no god, if there was one Vance would have burst into flames months ago.
jun 29, 2025, 5:21 am • 1 0 • view
Like seriously! Even from a young age I never really believed in the God and/or Jesus stuff but I just wanna shout at my parents "How can you call yourselves Christians?"
jun 28, 2025, 12:19 pm • 6 0 • view
Vance in particular managed to get publicly denounced by the leader of the faith he claims to ascribe to
jun 28, 2025, 1:06 pm • 8 0 • view
I’m disappointed he hasn’t been excommunicated, he should be.
jun 28, 2025, 2:30 pm • 1 0 • view
I'm irreligious and the way Trump talks about the Bible has got me acting like Tomas De Torquemada
jun 28, 2025, 6:45 am • 3 0 • view
Also an atheist, and it does feel like a biblical battle unfolding. Probably because one side is biblically fucked in the head.
jun 28, 2025, 6:18 am • 10 1 • view
The giant gold idol stuff is kind of hard to stumble into I'd think. Seems very specific. Most rich evil people don't seem to have big gold statues. It's one of those "I'd have two nickels" things except for Trump being the antichrist.
jun 28, 2025, 3:50 am • 37 1 • view
I'm Jewish and I think this
jun 28, 2025, 12:30 pm • 19 0 • view
Atheist Jew and hard same. Got dragged to enough evangelical services as a teen to know what they were saying in the nineties, and, um… he’s here, guys. That video of them speaking in tongues at the White House was triggering.
jun 28, 2025, 11:58 am • 46 1 • view
Nah he’s just the biggest wankstain known to man.
jun 28, 2025, 11:26 am • 0 0 • view
I half-seriously wonder if some inner cadre of eschatologists have decided to support Trump for the same reason they support Israel: to bring about the apocalypse. And just convinced the rest to bow down. They're not that self-aware, though.
jun 28, 2025, 6:28 am • 43 1 • view
Bringing about Armageddon and the rapture is a stated goal of many politics-focused christians. World magazine discussed it in the 90s, Falwell did, and many others have since the Nixon administration. Even my grandfather, a pal of each Bush and promoter of US zionism, said he was "doing his part".
jun 28, 2025, 11:36 am • 11 0 • view
As a respected baptist pastor more conservative than Billy Graham, he pushed hard to get Reagan, Bush, congressmen in the 90s, and GW Bush on board with establishing Greater Israel solely to fit scripture, as he felt it was his calling to bring the end of days no matter what horrors were needed.
jun 28, 2025, 11:54 am • 4 0 • view
Huckabee is openly advocating for Trump to start nuclear war in the middle east, and that's the US Ambassador.
jun 28, 2025, 5:01 pm • 0 1 • view
Oh yes I'm like reasonably certain this is the case
jun 28, 2025, 6:29 am • 14 0 • view
That somebody in his circle is making him do antichrist stuff on purpose
jun 28, 2025, 6:30 am • 16 0 • view
Have you seen the text from Huckabee to Trump about Jerusalem?
jun 28, 2025, 12:20 pm • 3 0 • view
Endtimers play that man's ego like... like some instrument that's way easier to play than a fiddle.
jun 28, 2025, 12:21 pm • 5 0 • view
Bongos?
jun 28, 2025, 12:43 pm • 1 0 • view
Like bongos! Prob just 1 tho ;_;
jun 28, 2025, 12:45 pm • 1 0 • view
The triangle
jun 28, 2025, 12:55 pm • 4 0 • view
I wouldn't be surprised.
jun 28, 2025, 1:42 pm • 0 0 • view
...oh dear.
jun 28, 2025, 6:31 am • 5 0 • view
I'll just be under the bed if anyone needs me...
jun 28, 2025, 2:01 pm • 3 0 • view
Do they not know the text condemns any human who tries that
jun 28, 2025, 1:07 pm • 0 0 • view
That's the American paradigm. The Mayflower Pilgrims Flee 'Religious Persecution' story was about the original Revelation-obsessed end-times cult. It's not a secret inner cadre, it's the heart of American evangelism. They've always loved the Antichrist; America itself is the Great Heresy.
jun 28, 2025, 12:17 pm • 1 0 • view
Back during the Gulf War, I remember a family friend weeping with joy because she thought Armageddon had come. It didn't, but that moment taught me that the evangelicals' greatest desire is genocide and death.
jun 28, 2025, 1:12 pm • 14 1 • view
The more you look at the actual New Testament passages that use that term (including the social/political context) the more certain that he’s exactly what it refers to.
jun 28, 2025, 4:28 am • 15 0 • view
“I don’t believe in Evil, but I do believe in Steven Miller.” Is a thing I’ve said to some of my religious friends.
jun 28, 2025, 12:23 pm • 169 9 • view
^^^ 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
jun 28, 2025, 6:39 pm • 3 0 • view
Terry Moran said about the depraved Miller... "It's not brains. It's bile. Miller is a man who is richly endowed with the capacity for hatred. He's a world-class hater. You can see this just by looking at him because you can see that his hatreds are his spiritual nourishment. He eats his hate."
jul 8, 2025, 4:49 am • 3 0 • view
Yes. We don’t need to believe in an Antichrist for them to believe in one and worship one.
jun 28, 2025, 2:40 am • 10 0 • view
Pagan, but hard same.
jun 28, 2025, 3:58 pm • 2 0 • view
He posted a video of a future where the holy land had been bulldozed to erect a golden statue of himself. With the lyric "Bringing the Light" My evangelical upbringing alarms are blaring. youtu.be/PslOp883rfI?...
jun 28, 2025, 3:13 am • 45 5 • view
Probably the most Antichrist-coded thing anyone's ever done tbh
jun 28, 2025, 3:14 am • 67 0 • view
It’s gotta be number 1? Is anything even close?
jun 28, 2025, 3:15 am • 11 0 • view
The assorted works of Peter Thiel, possibly, in a more low-key way
jun 28, 2025, 4:15 am • 0 0 • view
Hard to see what could be
jun 28, 2025, 3:15 am • 4 0 • view
Oh I’m with you on him unironically being it, 80 percent there myself. It’s a big plot hole that the Antichrist shows up and just says some shit and convinces everyone, but that’s kinda want the evil old bastard does do
jun 28, 2025, 3:16 am • 35 1 • view
Yeah lol it's very much in character
jun 28, 2025, 3:16 am • 13 0 • view
In the literature/canon, does the antichrist know they are the antichrist?
jun 28, 2025, 1:15 pm • 1 0 • view
I guess I just thought the antichrist would be able to spell his own name correctly in his posts.
jun 28, 2025, 11:22 am • 22 0 • view