Ooooo putting "fundamentally" in there is literally making me be this GIF

Yep to both. Also, here’s one: alcohol has externalities sufficient that it should be a controlled substance.

"Society should maybe actually act as though it doesn't like it when people drive drunk" is a good one

I hate to make it about us, but it starts with enthusiasts calling this shit out vehemently

from @eschatonblog.com: "A big reason people drink and drive is we put bars in the middle of giant parking lots far away from any human habitation. I'm not sure what they expect will happen, but I think the consequences are pretty predictable." www.eschatonblog.com/2010/11/igni...

Neighborhood pubs and the ten block "sober up" walk for the win.

Mmhmm

Make bars only accessible by pedestrians & mass transit. Maybe taxis.

Santa Monica used to, until pretty recently, zone bars as requiring 2x as much parking let sq ft as a restaurant!

Genuinely psychotic

good point.

Yes but this should be controlled via car control not alcohol control.

Eh I mostly agree, but, alcohol is a poison and should be more discouraged than it is (not prohibition though)

I mean the specific comment I was replying to was "Society should maybe actually act as though it doesn't like it when people drive drunk".

Yeah I know, and in that context you're broadly correct. Just looping in James's earlier remark

Prohibition taught us that people will make dangerous alternatives to booze when they can't have it legally

Why?

I mean it’s insane that we’re way harsher in controlling THC, which basically cannot kill a person directly, than alcohol, which can kill a person quite easily, and does frequently.

Lots of data here. IIRC no one has found a single death that can be attributed to THC alone. ETOH OTOH kills thousands of people (directly and indirectly) every year

The meat one is one I don’t go on about on main but like…it’s undeniable IMO and most people would just rather not think about it.

Mmmmhmm It's why they get mad at vegetarians, our very existence reminds them of their guilt

Yes and same reason they're mad at liberal "virtue signalling." Being reminded of virtues they don't possess challenges their sense of entitlement based on moral superiority

also being veg/vegan is not something to mention on a dating app

I mean unless you want to select for others of your own kind...

true enough

I had a very depressed acquaintance for a bit who openly admitted this.

It’s a little like telling the Romans that feeding people to lions for entertainment is inhumane. People don’t often understand how culture can make something horrible seem totally fine. They’re unwilling to question it

I want us to go back to 300 years ago where at absolute most you just had to pass a health screening to get let off the boat.

That's a follow from me

Lab grown meat that's a decent substitute for the real thing can't get here soon enough, I'm not sure there's any other way to get a critical mass of people off meat

Yeah that's basically my hope for the world Though I'm not sanguine on what happens to the existing livestock population, if so...