I'd argue that "funds independent creators" is not a central characteristic of Republicans, or what makes Republicans bad
I'd argue that "funds independent creators" is not a central characteristic of Republicans, or what makes Republicans bad
Imagine if during WW2, the Allies said "we can't build submarines and jet planes, because then we'll be just like them!"
Imagine if the allies wanted to fund their submarines and jets by confiscating the property of a minority group.
ok but "funding independent creators" is verrry morally different from "confiscating the property of a minority group" unless you're looking at this though a deep-soaked Manufacturing Consent lens in which case godspeed to you
You were the one with the WW2 analogy... The fact you're not mentioning the dark money is quite telling.
I made an analogy within a historical period to highlight one specific type of relationship (belligerents vs the tools they use), you introduced another that I thought was not applicable I kinda did allude to the dark money stuff with the "deep-soaked Manufacturing Consent" line
Perhaps to be clearer: the source screencap is an independent creator, asking that he and his class be funded by a major political party I don't think any comparison to confiscation is valid in the echo of that request
He's complaining that people are questioning him being funded by dark money without disclosing it. How can he be a paid propagandist for a political party and an independent creator at the same time?
"Paid propagandist" is noncentral. Pakman himself could refuse this donation and be fine. This donor does not own his content or platform, and cannot dismiss him from his position. The money is helpful but he is not _dependent_ upon it, singularly. That is what "independence" means to me.
There's confusion in what's being argued here. 1. Establishment dems should/n't fund small creators (financing) 2. Establishment dems should/n't have to disclose who they fund and why (transparency) I think everyone in the audience is for 2., so we're arguing over 1.
Is that your reading of the article and the discourse following it?
I thought packman was the co-founder of chorus? I thought this was his thing and if this is the video I am remembering where he talked about this he does mention the dark money aspect and says more than just the screen grab implies. Or is this entirely different?
The “dark money group”, the 1630 Fund, voluntarily discloses donors. They’re only dark money in the sense that as a 501c4 nonprofit they aren’t legally required to do so.
Did you hear about African Americans and India in WWII?
No, tell me about what you support doing to them?
Winston Churchill implemented policies that caused a famine in India during WWII. And African Americans’ lack of civil rights were what inspired Nazi Germany’s policies towards minorities like Jewish and Romani people. Then the US also stole the property of Japanese Americans.
So while the Allies were absolutely the right side to win the war, they weren’t ethically pure. You’re using the wrong analogy.
WWII is the wrong analogy... But you're defending those actions, right? In which case it seems fitting.
Also, even if everything Taylor Lorenz said was true (while her article is almost completely false), what scandal is it? That there’s one pro-Democracy party in the US, and creators are financially supported to favor it? We’re seeing DC occupied by troops, and paying creators is the real problem?
I said the Allies were not ethically pure because of those actions. If this is the sort of judgement you have, then it’s not judgement that should be taken at face value.