Thinking a President can serve a third term through some ingenious scheme because the 12th and 22nd Amendments prevent only a third "election" is like thinking a VP can preside over his own impeachment trial, the constitutional equivalent of a scrivener's error. Constitutional law isn't a word game.
Thinking it ain’t already bought and paid for could also prove to be foolish That’s why we need to Get Them ALL OUT!!
The podcast episodes of Revolutions on the English Civil War detail a bunch of times during the run-up when Charles I would use a technical loophole to raise funds without it technically being 'taxes' but the end result was people being pissed. Wonder how that's gonna turn out for him...
He keeps missing the point that if he can run for a third term, so can Obama. Wonder why?🤔
Because trump will and republicans will let him, but Obama won’t and democrats wouldn’t let him
The only way tfg runs again is if 1. He's still among the living & isn't completely demented, and 2. He's able to overturn the constitution. Don't see either as a serious possibility.
2 is absolutely a possibility, Republicans have very literally been overturning more and more of the constitution for a couple of decades now! They are right now actively ignoring laws and spending passed by Congress! Who is going to stop him if Trump wants to serve a third term??
If Trump becomes Speaker, he can serve a third term as President if both President and VP vacate their posts.
Well, that is his preferred method of defence in all these court cases, having them rest on word games. There's a reason why his lawyers have been sternly admonished more than once.
Different subject, but I feel like this post applies here. bsky.app/profile/hurr...
Sure does!
It's right ie the 12th amendment anyway. Constitutional eligibility applies to VP as well. VP gets elected - separately. So whatever is in the 22A counts. However, if a former President works as someone within the lower chain of succession, then the distinction applies.
He’s just masterfully changing the subject and everyone follows. Ignore him.
He doesn’t have to run. He will declare martial law.
What about the originalist/textualist majority of the Supreme Court? Given the legislative history of the amendment (initially passed by the House with language not limited to elections), I’m skeptical the Robert’s Court will find a compelling reason to ignore the plain language of the amendment.
They'll just shrug and call it a political question.
They'd take the position it's not ripe until it's a fait accompli, then determine that if redress or correction is necessary, it's Congress's role to impeach (hah).
This, and the one recently where he claimed Biden's pardons weren't legitimate because Biden used an autopen (as approved by Congress) reek of sovereign citizen gimmickry.
Most of us get that. Doesn't mean he's not going to do it, or that there are courts who will allow it.
trump has an almost magical ability to do whatever the fat hell he wants, whether he “can” or not, because no one will stop him.
I mean, if you read some of the SC justices’ opinion papers, it sounds like constitutional law sometimes is quite literally a word game.
The question is not whether or not it's legal, the question is who will stop him.
Is there any “wartime,” wiggle room? Cause he can put US into war if he wants.
I'm just gonna leave this here: bsky.app/profile/gabr...
To be a bit fair to the Supreme Court here, their argument was that just because a lower court judge had found that Trump supported an insurrection, it wasn't concrete enough to qualify under the amendment (which is stupid, tbf). It's hard to argue that Trump didn't serve two terms.
and yet if you squint just enough you could see a way for this SCOTUS to punt the responsibility back off to a branch that's fully taken over and pushing a king on us. This SCOTUS, after the immunity ruling, has me super scared.
How can he even be sure he will end this one?
100% At some point though I would love a nice big amendment to the constitution that explicitly removes all ambiguity from these kind of silly "interpretations" among other things
It is impossible to eliminate ambiguity. Words are ambiguous, always. It's impossible to pile on enough words to anticipate all the ways someone might read it. (Believe me, lawyers try. Read a long-form warranty deed.) Trump's lawyers work to create ambiguity where no one else has ever seen any.
Absurd
It’s all an evil, evil game with these MAGA.
You make the grave error of thinking these people have any regard for the Constitution. If he’s still alive he’ll put his name on the ballot and the Supreme Court he stacked won’t do anything to stop it
How about the “methods” that exist to get him out of office and into an El Salvador prison.
It reminds me of how popular conceptions of Dred Scott rely upon a skewed conception of the Constitution when in reality the Taney court was engaging in questionable jurisprudence.
you know what's sad? I actually appreciate that WaPo said right in their headline that this is unconstitutional. That should be a given, but the media (incl. WaPo) have been really bad about being straightforward about the illegality of many of Trump's actions.
Eat your KFC and McDonald’s orange man. You can’t last forever thank God. Time stands still for no one!
This orange turd thinks he will be alive that long? His brain is deteriorated and is beyond repair.
Oh, if it’s against the rules, they certainly won’t try. What a relief!
Well, Sec 3 of the 14A says he can’t be president right now…
Thank you for responding as we should!
thank you
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Shiney object 3y10m away It's. A. Diversion. How the actual fuck is this STILL being played out to change narrative/public focus? WHY IS IT WORKING Focus on now SIGNAL-Nat sec/military Economy-tanking Musk-ALL of it Installed loyalists-destruction HHS-Make America deadly ROL-rights/freedoms
It’s whatever game the SCOTUS decides it is. And if the Rs get any more crackpot MAGA justices, I’m certain SCOTUS will rubber stamp any ruling felon Trump wants.
The "method" he is referring to is, of course, dictatorship. There will be no further elections. And those people turning in their neighbors as "immigrants"--they will be the first to put on the Brown shirts. yep.
One way that been floated is being named Speaker of the House (legal, although super greasy), then elect/install a puppet President and Vice President, and have them step down. It may trigger an election cycle, but instituting martial law can get around that. It's not as far-fetched as people think.
Of course, he could just try and do it. Constitution hasn't stopped him completely so far
Right, which is why the Supreme Court declared executive immunity for a single executive, like, less than a year ago. 🙄 www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23p...
pretty clear language in section 3 of the 14th amendment made T ineligible to appear on ballots, and the court set that aside. i fail to see how this is substantially different. if the court can ignore one part of the constitution, why not others?
I thought that too. The SC said in the colorado csse a state cant make "ballot decisions" in federal elections, right? So if states left him off again by nature of the amendment being self fulfilling then???? How do we stop him?
I mean self enforcing****, couldnt think of the right term.
and something about congress needing to pass enabling legislation. have they done that for the 22amendment? when a state doesn’t put him on the ballot and he sues, does the court pull the same move?
9 justices unfortunately said otherwise in Trump v Colorado
WaPo outright calling it unconstitutional in the headline; Bezos must be getting hot under the collar about the tariffs.
He doesn’t care about the constitution. So he is saying this to sow more chaos and get media to switch to this and not pay attn to what the other hand is doing. He never plans to leave, elections be dammed!
I have a feeling he can just do what he wants anyway... Who is there to stop him?
Ahh....the fuck it ain't.
Imagine he “somehow” gets on the ballot - Obama then becomes eligible and runs and destroys him. It would be kinda awesome!
Just like methods exist for rigging and stealing an election if your buddy has enough money to buy it for you.
Trump is a LIAR
If we pray enough, God will call him to his just reward before then.
Weird how trump keeps doing whatever the fat hell he wants to do, whether he “can” or not.
I don't think he'll be around that long - and it will be his handlers that make that happen.
At least until enough Supreme Court justices think otherwise
Or at least enough justices stop being justices.
or that the president can pardon himself
It maybe isn't supposed to be, but I've seen some Supreme Court decisions, with their explanations either for or in dissent, that seem to be just that. And, I'm definitely not a lawyer - but the combo of 22 and 12 seems clearly not legal, and certainly against intent.
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Stop. Platforming. Each. Of. Trump's. Dumbshit. Bad Faith. Word Vomits. If Trump says "There is a way to make baby aspirin out of a bus tire," disproving it gives it life. The nonsense now seems two-sided. We know he knows nothing about this. Just dismiss it as nonsense and move on.
I bet my immigrant folks are gonna have so many hot tips on how to survive in a totalitarian regime.
I think people are worried that it is now, because of this SCOTUS’ motivated reasoning and disrespect for precedent which 5 justices are sure votes to grant cert then vote against, say, a Speaker of the House Trump abusing the line of succession? how sure are we that Bondi’s DoJ would enforce it?
(not “is”, to your point, but I don’t know what better language to use there. worried *that they’d get away with it anyway)
Id like to hear from vance if he would just hand over the office to trump 😆
SCOTUS seems to think it is though
They would have to come up with a scheme that prevents Obama from doing the same. Because Obama would mop the floor with him.
Of course, constitutional law is a word game. They removed “well regulated militia“ from it, didn’t they?
Exactly. Anyone who still thinks the rightwing judges at every level of the courts are bounded by precedent or good sense has blinders on, IMHO Occasionally they may surprise us with something half decent, but that is exceptional rather than norm
And the words in the Insurrection Clause don't actually mean anything either, apparently.
And yet the insurrectionist was allowed to run for President, and here we are.
Then let’s bring O’Bama back.
Distraction from #SignalGate. Dump wants that story to die.
Hate to break this to you, but that story is already dead.
When did Trump and his minions start carrying what the US Constitution says? They violate its requirements on almost a daily basis.
Conservatives are obsessed with how they can distort the intent of things. If I tell you you can buy 1 pack of pokemon cards per household and you show up with multiple pieces of mail with different addresses I can probably tell who you voted for.
I can suggest "methods" for ridding the world of petulant puppets.🤔
Akshully word games have several votes
Fool yourself old Mr serial CONVITED FELON! "WE'RE NOT THE FOOLS YOU AND YOUR CRIMINAL GANG THINKS WE'RE"!
If it were legal, Obama would have 'run' in 2016 and beaten him
No, he wouldn't. Because Obama respects the spirit of the constitution. But with this person and this court doing the interpretation then there is a real possibility of it happening.
Trump runs for a third term. Congress passes a law removing Trump from the ballot. Trump vetoes it. Since 34 senators still support Trump, the vote to override the veto fails. Trump stays on the ballot. Trump wins the 2028 election. Since 34 senators support Trump, impeachment is off the table.
Why would Congress pass a law like that? Unless either chamber gets flipped, which I am skeptical of.
It's really hard for schemes like this to get past "no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States." But hey, Roberts managed to find an excuse for erasing bits of the 14th amendment; why not the 12th?
He's just distracting you from talking about the Signal fiasco. Keep your eyes on the prize.
That story is already dead.
You’ll be calling Trump Jr President in 4 years; and Donald will be the shadow President.
And, yet, they word-gamed the hell out of the 2nd Amendment...