A little more complicated than you realize. By the time Biden took office, Afghan collapse was already baked in. bsky.app/profile/kgka... www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/0...
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Counterpoint: Biden fucked up royally, and allowed Trump's "let's just withdraw lol" plan to go through. Everyone knew doing this would cause the whole thing to collapse, everyone knew this was a stupid fucking idea. Afghanistan withdraw was always fucked, following Trump's lead made it worse.
jul 17, 2025, 1:27 am • 3 1 • view
I wasn't there... but I spent 8 years in the infantry. If the guy before you signs a peace deal & lets the other side welsh on every part of that deal & tweets to the world that the US is pulling out no matter what & half your ally's forces have secretly surrendered... YEAH, YOU'RE FUCKED.
jul 17, 2025, 1:55 am • 1 0 • view
OK, so, the guy before (Trump) said "we're pulling out no matter what". After that guy (Trump) was gone, the new guy in charge (Biden) said "Well that's a terrible idea, but the last guy (Trump) said it, so despite him no longer being in power, guess we'll do it!" Do you see the issue here?
jul 17, 2025, 1:56 am • 0 0 • view
Seriously man, all I hear you arguing is 'Biden should extended the deadline'. And returned 30,000 troops to Afghanistan, cuz that's what it would've taken to stabilize the situation since half the Afghan army had already surrendered. Do I really have to tell you how stupid an idea that is?
jul 17, 2025, 2:08 am • 4 0 • view
It's clear you're not reading my posts, so let me break it down: Biden followed Trump's plan despite everyone knowing it was terrible. He did not attempt something else. It blew up in his face. Everyone knew it would. It's not "there was a right way". It's "why did he do it Trump's way".
jul 17, 2025, 2:10 am • 0 0 • view
Half the Afghan army had surrendered or was negotiating to by January. The Pentagon/CIA had no idea that had happened & was feeding Biden laughably bad info. There. Was. No. Way. To. Fix. It. Except, I guess, your super secret plan to put 30,000 US troops back in.
jul 17, 2025, 2:19 am • 0 0 • view
It really is hilarious how you keep acting like this plan you made up for me is what I'm arguing for. So, you think it was a brilliant idea for Biden to look at Trump's plan, which everyone said was a horrible idea, and go "yep let's do that"? Really? No other option? Just an unforced error?
jul 17, 2025, 2:23 am • 0 0 • view
All you say is 'Biden fucked up' but you won't share what it was he did wrong. I don't know what you're arguing for. You don't either.
jul 17, 2025, 2:36 am • 1 0 • view
I literally shared what he did wrong in like ten posts at this point. He followed Trump's plan. That's what he did wrong. He showed everyone that he wouldn't break with Trump's insane plan, and when it blew up, it was in Biden's face. People noticed that, and it was a bad sign, among others.
jul 17, 2025, 2:44 am • 0 0 • view
Apparently you do have to tell them because they sure don’t get it.
jul 17, 2025, 2:19 am • 2 0 • view
I get everything you're saying, you're just clearly not reading what I'm actually writing. You're arguing points I never made and trying to say I've got some magic plan for Afghanistan, and when I state objective fact your only response is "I disagree". Lady, you're bad at this.
jul 17, 2025, 2:26 am • 0 0 • view
You say there was some way to fix Afghanistan when Biden took office. I've pointed out that most of the security forces in the provinces had either surrendered or were negotiating to. So share your plan. Don't have one? That's cuz it was unfixable.
jul 17, 2025, 2:33 am • 0 0 • view
You really aren't understanding, are you? I didn't say he could fix Afghanistan. I said "Every single person looked at Trump's plan and said it was a terrible idea. Biden then proceeded to enact his crazy predecessor's plan for no actual reason. It was a terrible idea. People noticed." Get it?
jul 17, 2025, 2:39 am • 0 0 • view
Here, here's a little tweak to what you said. "Every single person looked at Trump's plan and said it was a terrible idea. Trump then proceeded to enact his crazy plan. When Biden took over, he pulled out, since the plan was already in motion, and it, predicably, went badly". See what changed?
jul 17, 2025, 1:59 pm • 1 0 • view
That’s not at all what’s happened here. I never said anything like what you say I did. And that you’d say this is further proof you’re not worth chatting with.
jul 17, 2025, 2:32 am • 2 0 • view
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jul 17, 2025, 2:37 am • 0 0 • view
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jul 17, 2025, 2:39 am • 0 0 • view
There was no fixing it. The Pentagon & CIA had no assets on the ground in the provinces & had no idea that the mass surrenders were already in place... so they gave Biden bad intel. You're confident that the pooch coulda been unscrewed somehow. Tell us how.
jul 17, 2025, 2:04 am • 1 0 • view
You seem to be misunderstanding. I'm not saying "there was a perfect, magical way to leave Afghanistan Biden should have done". I'm saying Biden following Trump's absolutely TERRIBLE plan made things even worse, and showed he and Democrats weren't willing to learn why they lost 2016. Hence 2024.
jul 17, 2025, 2:07 am • 1 0 • view
Again, not following Trump's dumbass plan wasn't an option. Stabilizing the situation after half the Afghan forces had already surrendered meant returning US ground forces. Probably 30,000+ US soldiers. You think Americans would've stood for that? You're. Fucking. Nuts.
jul 17, 2025, 2:12 am • 0 0 • view
"Not following Trumps plan wasn't an option". It literally was, though. The replacement might not have been a great plan, but "let's do what the crazy racist told us to do" is a terrible look. Especially when it collapses even worse than predicted. Biden was a fucking moron, and voters noticed.
jul 17, 2025, 2:16 am • 0 0 • view
lol Again for the 5th time... what should Biden have done. You're some kinda expert. Share your wisdom. There was no way to fix Afghanistan. Once half the Afghan army & most of the sub-provincial govt had surrendered, that turkey was cooked.
jul 17, 2025, 2:22 am • 0 0 • view
Again, for your thick head: My point isn't that there was a way to fix it. My point is that following Trump's plan was a terrible, terrible idea for Biden to do, end story. ANYTHING else he would have tried would have been a better narrative than "guess Trump had the best idea Biden heard".
jul 17, 2025, 2:24 am • 0 0 • view
You're a SpecOps Mall Ninja and would've known on day 1 that the Pentagon & CIA were fucked up and were giving you bad intel... and pulled the real ground truth about the Afghan security forces & govt surrenders out of your ass. So yeah, Biden fucked up by not being a magic unicorn like you.
jul 17, 2025, 2:42 am • 1 0 • view
There was no way to get out that wasn't fucked. As usual Trump made things so much worse, but by the time he had dug the hole deeper, Biden's only options were to follow the shitty, shitty "Trump engineered" plan, or throw a ton of resources (& lives) into reversing back to get a still shitty plan.
jul 19, 2025, 2:49 am • 0 0 • view
No.
jul 17, 2025, 1:36 am • 7 0 • view
Cool, so the Afghanistan withdraw went swimmingly? With your "disagreeing" Democrats lost the 2024 election in the other post, it's pretty clear you don't live in the same reality as the rest of us.
jul 17, 2025, 1:41 am • 0 0 • view
You're the one who said Biden fucked up the withdrawal. So tell us how it should've gone.
jul 17, 2025, 1:47 am • 4 0 • view
Hahaha, dude, I already said, "I don't know how, but not like that". Why are you acting like Biden DIDN'T fuck up royally? Have you looked outside? Have you noticed who won the 2024 election? Have you seen the utter shit Democratic complacency has gotten us? Fuck Biden, fuck Trump, both are shit.
jul 17, 2025, 1:52 am • 0 0 • view
“Why are you acting like Biden DIDN'T fuck up royally?” Because you were literally handed a source and arguments in this thread proving your assertions to be weak. Are you a bad faith actor, or just dense?
jul 17, 2025, 10:09 am • 4 0 • view