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Barry O'Genesis @paulhartley.bsky.social

I'm confused. In what way were the Tories hedging after the referendum? Lab shifting to a second ref position was entirely due to internal moves against corbyn. And who was lying?

aug 30, 2025, 11:35 pm • 0 0

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Big Fez @bigfez.bsky.social

May trying to get a deal that respected the 'red lines', and was slightly less bad than the worst possible deal. Not much to you and me but a massive betrayal to a lot of leavers (who obvs never trusted her anyway). The alternative was going 'full boris', getting out asap even if no deal etc

aug 30, 2025, 11:39 pm • 0 0 • view
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Big Fez @bigfez.bsky.social

Labour could hold on to leavers in a world where the tories weren't 'delivering brexit' and were telling people the kind of deal mattered. As soon as tories went 'brexit or bust' labour was gonna lose a lot of them. And labour's only value to remain was if it could bring leavers on board with a >

aug 30, 2025, 11:44 pm • 0 0 • view
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Big Fez @bigfez.bsky.social

compromise. Once your voter coalition is remain-dominated there's nobody to compromise with so no point in acceoting weak sauce. Perfectly rational to vote lib dem at that point,since they are actually offering what you actually want.

aug 30, 2025, 11:44 pm • 0 0 • view
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Big Fez @bigfez.bsky.social

Ps 'lying' was just the classic example of a strategy that works really well for a bit but when it stops working goes really bad really fast. I was just using in abstract sense. Not making accusations.

aug 30, 2025, 11:46 pm • 0 0 • view