To be honest the Australian electorate should have seen that prior to the last election Now we’re in bigger trouble until voters get rid of the WHOLE duopoly
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Dear lord, the Australian electorate. What is to be done?
aug 13, 2025, 1:52 am • 2 0 • view
It's possible either nuclear destruction ( perhaps Netanyahu's version of Hitler's bunker farewell when finally cornered ) or climate change will take us out first.
aug 13, 2025, 2:08 am • 2 0 • view
Oh good. A fellow optimist. 😀
aug 13, 2025, 2:11 am • 1 0 • view
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aug 13, 2025, 2:18 am • 1 0 • view
lol.
aug 13, 2025, 2:19 am • 0 0 • view
It’s possible and more likely that the world order is changing and we find ourselves adrift - not necessarily to a better world but certainly a different world order that is not centered around the west That’s what children and grandchildren will wonder about What did we not do to address issues
aug 13, 2025, 2:17 am • 1 0 • view
I'm harder at work as an age pensioner on these projects than ever I was before. On all fronts. I do think that global geopolitical events will catch the Aussie ruling elites napping (comatose actually, still living a colonial white supremacist delusion). I urge young 'uns to position for that.
aug 13, 2025, 2:24 am • 2 0 • view
What is the common vision? I’m noticing the loud silence voters have in response to your question Illustrates the dire situation this country - this democracy - faces
aug 13, 2025, 2:06 am • 2 0 • view
The entirety of Western Govts have seen the ease with which Trump, the Oligarchs & the Heritage foundation has dismantled America. This allied with the ease with which Israel will have killed an entire people, has emboldened Governments to not give a fuck what WE want. Business & Oligarchs Rulez.
aug 13, 2025, 12:18 pm • 1 0 • view
I think a good deal of us (hopefully) recognise that scuppering one deal with a preferred supplier (France), and doing the exact same thing with another contract (AUKUS) would not be a good look regardless of who was in power at the time. I mean, what are you proposing? We buy Russian subs?
aug 13, 2025, 2:59 am • 0 0 • view
Subs, for sure, shallow-water operable for defence of Australian waters, not designed to sit offshore China and blockade shipping routes or act as a forward threat. Thereafter, invest in maritime drones and missile tech for land defence. We want a military for defence, not colonial misadventures.
aug 13, 2025, 3:06 am • 3 1 • view
Exactly right
aug 13, 2025, 9:05 am • 2 0 • view
Who would we buy them from? Our EU partners have been burnt, and you're saying that US subs are unacceptable, so what country do we then buy them from? What I'm getting at is that Labor is in an unenviable position. Even you would see risk in positioning ourselves as an unreliable partner.
aug 13, 2025, 9:14 am • 0 0 • view
Sweden, Japan, Germany all manufacture subs to contract. There are others. "Even you"? That aside, are you seriously suggesting that the US might view Australia as an unreliable partner? With Trump as Prez? Us, unreliable?
aug 13, 2025, 9:20 am • 0 0 • view
Labor bought itself to this position - it had no need to follow the LNP IPA and Morrison, it chose to do so It chose to continue imposing AUKUS and leave us all in a ridiculous position. with no mandate I call that betrayal We will have no submarines at all once the Collins class subs retire
aug 13, 2025, 11:28 am • 2 0 • view
Tbf ADF is so extraordinarily one-eyed in its capacity to comprehend danger. We’re a long way down the slippery slope of white supremacy AGAIN and they are bleating about China
aug 13, 2025, 11:41 am • 2 0 • view
The poison chalice had been served and drunk from the moment the Liberals cancelled the French sub deal. From there, our fate was sealed. Breaking a second oath will just make it worse. For our reputation to be restored, Labor’s hand is forced to honour the Liberal’s deal.
aug 13, 2025, 11:34 am • 0 0 • view
'Oath'? Surely, a contract.
aug 13, 2025, 11:56 am • 0 0 • view
When it comes to security pacts with allies, then it isn’t too far of a stretch to liken it to an oath… I know, sometimes I get a bit poetic… but you get what I mean.
aug 13, 2025, 12:16 pm • 0 0 • view
Labor is not forced to "honour" the LNP IPA's corrupt deal at all AUKUS has no mandate
aug 13, 2025, 11:46 am • 0 0 • view
For clarification, I too want to see an end to AUKUS... However, it would be beneficial for our reputation if the US initiated that process.
aug 13, 2025, 9:16 am • 2 0 • view
What reputation is that?
aug 13, 2025, 9:21 am • 2 0 • view
Right up until the moment we cancelled the sub deal with the French, our reputation was impeccable. The envy of the world. You do recall Macron’s accusations against our elected leader? That was a big, big deal. And you want to repeat that mistake?
aug 13, 2025, 11:38 am • 0 0 • view
Our reputation for what? Last time I checked, we awarded a VC to a war criminal.
aug 13, 2025, 11:55 am • 0 0 • view
Alas, many a country would be delighted if that was the worst accusation that could be pointed their way…
aug 13, 2025, 12:19 pm • 0 0 • view
Relativism and ethics is a coupling in which only the former survives.
aug 13, 2025, 1:35 pm • 0 0 • view
I get where you are coming from, and agree that ethics are important - but isn’t honouring a formal contract ethical? Is that negated by virtue of a questionable origin for that contract? Or by potentially short term political upheaval in a party to that pact? Absolutism isn’t the solution.
aug 13, 2025, 2:03 pm • 2 0 • view
For us to lead from behind you mean? I've got a better idea .. why don't we have the confidence to say to ourselves that AUKUS was never mandated, it was imposed and Australians do not want nuclear-powered subs, AUKUS must not proceed?
aug 13, 2025, 11:24 am • 1 0 • view
Forgive me, but doesn’t this conflict with basic civics? The Liberals were elected, and we gave them a mandate. That’s Democracy 101. Even opposition parties have to respect that, especially when it comes to agreements with foreign nations. Rejecting these principles is crazy talk.
aug 13, 2025, 11:30 am • 0 0 • view
Nobody gave Morrison a "mandate" to act on his own without even Cabinet involvement to stick up a secret deal and impose a $1TRILLION + AUKUS on Australians and effectively kill both out defence and foreign policies Our Westminster system of democracy does not allow decisions to be made in that way
aug 13, 2025, 11:49 am • 5 0 • view
And yet, that’s exactly what happened. Yes, I’m angry about it too. Yes, I want change too. But I’m not ready to invite the chaos that comes with some of the sentiment going around here in #auspol The “rage against the duopoly” movement is no different to MAGA. Flip side of the same coin.
aug 13, 2025, 11:55 am • 3 0 • view
So far, tell me if I'm wrong, your concern is that if we cancel this AUKUS contract with the US, then the US will do us damage? Whelp. Independence, in this case at the level of national sovereignty, comes at a cost.
aug 13, 2025, 12:01 pm • 0 0 • view
I’m not concerned about the US. I’m concerned that it will significantly impact our options when it comes to future defence partnerships. We burned France, and by extension the whole of the EU. Burning the AUKUS deal will ironically do the opposite of putting us in the EU’s good books.
aug 13, 2025, 12:06 pm • 0 0 • view
What's good about the Duopoly?
aug 13, 2025, 1:02 pm • 1 0 • view
Well, it beats a lot of the alternatives (yes, I’m a fan of Winston Churchill). No, I’m not convinced that minority governments are a panacea. There are plenty of examples to back that up. Be content that we live in a functioning democracy. Save your outrage to fight for those who do not.
aug 13, 2025, 1:25 pm • 0 0 • view